Alright everyone, this is (more or less) the official start of the great & mighty Troughton rewatch-athon! Our serials for this round will be The Highlanders, The Underwater Menace & The Moonbase.
The Highlanders
- So after The Power of the Daleks, Ben, Polly & Two have rematerialised somewhere that Ben hopes is home, only to have something shot at them. The Doctor's ready to pull them out of wherever they've landed, but Polly absolutely insists they go after Ben & refuses to let the Doctor do otherwise. (Good start for our miss Polly!)
- Here's a bit that makes me wish this serial had survived even just a bit - Jamie McCrimmon's first onscreen words! & his first action - giving the last of their water to his wounded laird. & um, because I am fond of Jamie (but I'll try to keep the gushing to a minimum!), I want to note his sort of optimism, if that's the correct word, in thinking that the English couldn't possibly hang all of them. I've not much else to say on it, but I like it. He's optimistic in the face of some pretty ugly odds.
- OMG I LOVE HIS HAT! Silly Two! ::giggles::
- Um. He's got two very angry Highlanders holding weapons on him now. Um.
- Whoa. QUITE a row in that cottage! & Ben threatening injured men with guns! & um, keep your swords off Polly please. & Jamie seems ready to kill all three of them as the rest of them, which is . . . well, I'm not going to fault him on this; his reasoning is sound. & Polly plays her awesome card again by getting Alexander & Jamie to hand over their swords!
- 'A Highlander's word is his bond.'
- BEN, YOU IDIOT! You DON'T THROW GUNS! & Two is right - you should have paid a bit more attention to your history lessons! & REALLY, didn't they teach you to handle firearms in the navy?
- O GOD THEY SHOT ALEXANDER! BASTARDS!
- Two with a German accent . . . teehee! (& the Redcoats are all 'Doctor who?' LULZ. incidentally, the German name he uses translates to, if I remember right, 'Doctor of Who.') & goodness me, those Redcoats are not a pleasant bunch, even toward Ben. ::bites nails::
- Polly's got the guts to cause a diversion! & she's keeping Kirsty's spirits up all the while - good Polly, go Polly! First half of the story & she's already kicking arse - Redcoat arse, even!
- Two's fast thinking is a blessing. ::happy sigh::
- Jamie would rather hang than be separated from his laird . . . he's got loyalty in spades.
(those ellipsises were rather necessary here - it saved you a bit of flail!)
- Meanwhile, Polly's still up to her fabulousness & helping Kirsty plot a way to save both their friends. & ouch! Polly has a tongue on her when she's provoked into using it! A very sharp tongue indeed.
- I really love Polly so far in this serial - she's really playing a very proactive role in this story. Not that she hasn't in the other serials I've seen, but here, she's really shining, I think. She's making plans, fighting back & keeping her companion's spirits up when she claims that everything is hopeless. Even though she's been pretty much on her own in this serial so far, she's showing herself to be a brave & tough companion & that she can handle herself without the Doctor or even Ben to watch her back. If I didn't love Polly before, this would be the serial where I'd totally fall in love with her.
- Meanwhile, Ben, Two, Jamie & Jamie's laird are locked up in a Redcoat slammer, with Two working to save the laird's life.
'A right rat hole this is, isn't it?'
'Trust me, King George has worse than this, never fear.'
Nothing much, but damn, I thought that was a cute exchange between Ben & Jamie. & HEE, TWO'S ACTUALLY ENJOYING IT! O, Two, you're wonderful.
(also, since it sort of just came to me - I did notice Jamie's ability to figure things out rather quickly, even if he doesn't quite understand them yet.
nentari & I talked about that, when we were discussing historical companions, or more specifically, Katarina, who was a companion of One's, who was from ancient Greece & from the time when they still worshipped many different gods & goddesses - Katarina saw One as a god & the TARDIS as his temple - & was later killed in the serial The Daleks' Master Plan, I think it was - [I think I have a recon of it] & how in a way, she sort of helped shape future historical companions like Jamie & Victoria. It was mentioned in our talk that the writers had been asked to remove Katarina because of the nature of her character - she needed to have things explained to her & she didn't understand a lot of what she was faced with. [I THINK, I can't fully remember!] Jamie & Victoria, when they came in as companions, are/were able to understand things quicker & learn without a lot of unneeded or dull exposition. I've already noted that in Jamie's character, & when I meet Victoria, I'll wait & see how I find it.)
- Hmm . . . Two seems to be playing to Jamie's concerns about his not practising blood-letting on the laird in a similar way he used on Captain Pike in The Smugglers. But I think his intentions are different - he knows blood-letting is deadly, but Jamie of course, wouldn't. So one could say perhaps he's gently lying to Jamie to put his concerns to rest? But he says he believes it, as does Jamie, so I'm not sure . . . but I still feel that he's, as I said, sort of gently lying to Jamie to keep him calm. But I could be wrong.
- Yay, out comes the recorder! & Two's playing a Scottish song & getting everyone to join in! (okay, I've got to write that fic now)
- Okay . . . I'm a little uncomfy with Two's scheme, but I know not to doubt Two so much. Two knows what he's doing. I hope.
- HA! Polly blackmailing a Redcoat & deploying him in her's & Kirsty's plan! I HAVE NO WORDS. Can we give her a sonic screwdriver of her own, please?
- See? I KNEW not to doubt Two; he knows just what he's doing! & he's damn good too. ::grins:: & hee! the bit with him banging Perkins' head into the desk? It makes me think of a Marx Brothers short, or of a Charlie Chaplin film. & even in a comical moment, Two's still as sneaky as ever!
- O. My. Giddy. Aunt. Two . . . did you just dress up as a woman?!
- ::DIES:: HE DID! So, Three wasn't the first to dress up like a lady! ::gigglesnorts::
(& um, Patrick Troughton does an elderly, shaky female voice rather well, I must note. ::giggles:: Actually, he's been pretty good with the German accent as well! Ah, I wish I could hear him do a French one! ::swoons::)
- A big reason I'm enjoying this serial so much is because I'm learning so much more about Jamie - in a way, it's sort of like I'm just getting to meet him for the first time.
- O, Polly must look beautiful in her new frock! Another reason I wish this serial had survived!
- LULZ, TWO'S STILL DRESSED LIKE A WOMAN. (sorry, it just makes me giggle madly.)
- O, those girls are playing their cards well, I must say - in all the ways they need to. Brave ladies, the pair of them!
- They're playing whist! I know nothing of whist, save for what I've read of it in the Horatio Hornblower stories, but I couldn't resist mentioning it.
- 'You know those dresses really do suit you, Doctor!'
'Oh, you saucy girl!'
::giggles madly::Two, stop flirting! Aww, cuteness.
- I'm just kind of quietly worrying over Ben, thankyouverymuch. ::panics:: I know, I know, I probably shouldn't, but I am! I don't want any harm to come to the poor thing!
- O, Ben's okay! Cold, hungry & soaked, but he manages to get himself free & to shore! ::clings to Ben::
& he looks mighty pretty soaking wet, dammit.
- O YAY TWO'S HERE! ::hugs him too:: & he & Ben are planning to start a revolt on the Annabelle!
- Ooo, Ben knows a bit of rope trickery!
- 'I liked you better in your dress, Doctor.
'Aye, you made a good granny.'
LOLZ.
- Polly & Kirsty are absolutely refusing to stay behind & they're not taking their eyes off Ben & Two. KICKASS. & I like how Kirsty's changed from her first appearance - she was so weepy & distrustful, but now, she knows Polly & her friends a bit better & she's definitely pleased to be working with them. I do quite like her now. & those lassies need to help the fight on the Annabelle - they will be ferocious!
- Soft hands, face & hair . . . he's talking about Jamie, isn't he? I'm going to refrain from noting the details of Jamie's appearance so soon & just say that Two better not get him hurt.
- FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT! (& yes, I'm now worrying about Jamie - please don't let him be hurt!)
- OMG, JAMIE! He saved Ben's life! & he tussled with a man wielding a cutlass! JAMIE!!
- JAMIE! You followed them! I . . . o, JAMIE. How so brave & strong?
- Dude, I really love Patrick Troughton's German accent. ♥♥♥
- HA. Grey's been taken down & Ffinch has proved himself not as evil a creature as I thought. & Polly gives him a little kiss! Aww. & YES! Two pinched the contracts! ♥ all around.
- Jamie gets to go with them, provided he teaches Two to play the bagpipes? THIS? IS FIC. RIGHT HERE.
- & off they go, now with the lovely & stalwart Jamie McCrimmon at their side.Polly'll look after him if he gets nervous. O, I'd say things just got v. interesting for everyone all around.
The Underwater Menace
- Jamie is SO lost, the poor dear. But like I said, Ben & Polly are helping him get acclimated! & I'm really glad that we get to see his 'it's bigger on the inside' reaction to the TARDIS; I was slightly disappointed that we didn't see it at the end of The Highlanders. (I know he doesn't actually say it, but you know he was probably thinking that.)
- Shallow fanbunny note: Jamie is looking quite lovely in the clothes he's got on - it would be the McCrimmon tartan, I'd venture? Well, either way, he looks lovely in them. & Polly appears to still be wearing her Scottish dress! O, she looks like a dream in it & I do so love her hair!
- Ben's quoting the Doctor by saying 'it's in the lap of the gods' makes me think of Katarina, for some reason.
- ASDFGHJKL;';L.,KJHNBGFDSASXCDFVGHJKL.; JESUS CHRIST TWO JUST QUOTED ROBERT BURNS!! & to Jamie, it's still 1746 & Robert Burns wasn't born until 1759!
(um, allow me a quick explanation - I've been wanting to write fic where Two introduces Jamie to the works of Robert Burns for a while now, because not only was he one of Scotland's greatest poets, he was also a v. accomplished lyricist & wrote many songs which I believe were for bagpipes. Jamie, for obvious reasons, wouldn't know of them & Two would most likely want to show them to Jamie, not just as a piper, but as literature as well & knowing a bit of his own history. It's one of those fics where I KNOW it's something Two would do & that Jamie would be interested in - I, um, just haven't written it yet. Also, everyone should read the poetry of Robert Burns; it's so beautiful & it makes me want to race through wood & glen like a feral, dangerous little curiosity.)
- This recon? IS ANOTHER ABSOLUTELY CRACKING RECON! The Underwater Menace, for some, isn't a favourite serial, but no matter - this recon is really well done!
- O, miss Polly, how do you get to be so pretty?
- I keep imagining Two licking all the rock & pottery he finds. ::laughs::
- In this serial, I just realised how handy it may be to have a sailor around. ::laughs::
- Polly speaks three languages? Or at least knows how to ask if someone speaks English in three! Not bad, Duchess!
- Heehee, Two loves hats! But right now, it's food.
- I don't like the idea of Ben, Polly & Jamie hovering over a shark tank. Not in the slightest.
- Or Two, either. ::chews lip::
- Hmm, I see Two signs his note 'Dr W.' Interesting . . .
- Yay, they're free!
- NO FISH!POLLY PLEASE. ::glares::
- OMG! They're on Atlantis?! Um . . . wow!
- No, no! Don't make Polly a fish!
- Okay! Two's not letting Polly go all fishgirl today!
- Ara's quite lovely, I must say.
- With all the talk Zaroff does about blowing up the world, he reminds me vaguely of Salamander in The Enemy of the World. Hmm . . .
- To be honest, while Ara's nice, I don't like the idea of Polly being led around by someone else - I KNOW Polly; she's perfectly able of handling herself in a crisis & getting herself out of trouble. That bit just bugs me somewhat.
- & out comes the recorder!
- One of my earliest serials, after I'd begun the Troughton era serials, was this one, or at least the last two parts which survive & I remember that even then, I didn't particularly enjoy it, even if it had some of my favourite things within it. To be honest, the only thing I've enjoyed of this serial is Jamie's first look at the TARDIS. Beyond that, the great quality of the recon, & Patrick Troughton & Frazer Hines being deliciously sexy, I just don't enjoy this serial.
- Also, I'm kind of surprised that Polly hasn't been as amazingly proactive, or even half as great as she was in The Highlanders. Well, perhaps I shouldn't be surprised; I was told that Polly's characterisation in this is less than stellar. She looks beautiful in her fishgirl outfit, but beyond that . . . she's not as awesome as I know her to be. & it's not making this serial any more enjoyable; if anything, it's just making me less interested in it. & because I love her, it's really annoying me.
- HEE! Two looks so silly in his disguise & I just LOVE it. & his sunglasses! O you silly, silly Doctor. ::hugs him:: & recorder love!
- JAMIE & BEN IN RUBBER WETSUITS. YES PLEASE!::pinches Jamie's behind::
- Two is saucy, snappy & pleasantly cocksure . . . . it's really attractive on him.
- Okay, WHAT THE FUCK, WHY DIDN'T ANYONE BELIEVE JAMIE WHEN HE SAID ZAROFF'S COLLAPSE WAS A FEINT? I mean, WHAT THE FUCK?! Two, I'm surprised at you.
- Great. Now we're really seeing Polly being thrown into the stereotype of 'Classic!Who screamer', aren't we? I'd like to punch the writers now.
- Mmm, I like Ben with his wetsuit undone as it is . . . ::whistles::
- While the writing of Polly is pissing me off royally, I like that Jamie saved her. It was a good moment for him. But Polly could have got herself out of that just fine, dammit!
- Okay, Zaroff is nothing like Salamander & thank goodness for that. Only the fact that they wanted to blow the planet up linked them, & now, that's all the similarity between them. Good.
- This recon is so wonderfully done . . . I'm still fangirling!
- 'Do you know what you're doing?'
'Oh, what a question! Of course I don't!'
- For his first experience with the Doctor, Jamie seems to be doing quite well.
- Ha! Even in a serious moment, Two still can toss a wisecrack out, should he wish. ::grins::
- I'm sorry, but at this point, Polly screaming that she can't get out & that she'll never make it . . . WHY?! We're going into very big stereotype territory here & I hate it so much. Polly is so much better than that!
- For some reason, the talk of building a new Atlantis, without superstition or gods & temples, makes me think of SGA/Doctor Who crossovers, with Two, Ben, Polly & Jamie visiting Atlantis after the Stargate program has arrived there.
- Mmm, hello sailor & Scotsman! ::waves::
- Polly's got a GREAT hat on & Jamie's happiness & comfort inside the TARDIS . . . I love it. He's happy with Two, Ben & Polly. & he's not afraid of going places he doesn't understand anything about. O, Jamie. You're such a sweetheart. & you always did belongwith Two in the TARDIS.
- & HA. THE DOCTOR FINALLY ADMITS HE KNOWS HOW TO CONTROL THE TARDIS! He just never wanted to do it proper! Silly little man!
& where the four of them are going, I do not know . . . but we'll find out soon!
The Moonbase
- I actually forgot that this was a Cybermen story until I saw Kit Pedler's name come up in the opening! Bad me!
- Okay, so after the TARDIS went crazy at the end of The Underwater Menace , she's seemed to land on somewhere that could be Mars or the moon. The moon, actually as a lovely friend of Two's will point out eventually . . .
- Ben's already making me laugh in this story, with his gentle teasing of Two for belong only 200,0000 miles off. ::tickles him::
- I love Jamie being all, 'But the moon's way up in the sky!' & then 'Maybe we'll meet the old man in the moon!' SO CUTE.
- Ben & Polly want to explore the moon right away & persuade Two to let them do so. & of course, Jamie comes along!
- AWW, MOONJUMPING CONTEST! ::giggles:: It must be fun to play on the moon, actually. I rather wish I could do so.
- Okay, so now the four of them are inside the moonbase - ugh, lecherous men touching Polly. ::cringes:: HANDS OFF.
- 2070?! Well, at least they've landed in the twenty-first century this time. & by then, they can control the weather from the moon - cool!
- O, dear, now Jamie's been taken ill? I think I missed something somewhere . . . o, it must have been because of his fall during the moonjumping . . . . well, he's sick now & o, the poor love. & I love Polly explaining Jamie's feverish babbles to Two & Ben - I'd be sensible like Polly but I'm just worried about Jamie! Our poor, sick Jamie.
- The sound quality of this recon - the volume is so low that I can just barely hear it, even with both VLC & River's volume all the way up. Here I could supplement with my Lost in Time DVDs, but I want to watch the recon of it.
- Polly looks quite lovely here, I want to note - & this was my first serial that I saw her in! I loved her sweater, eye makeup & hair. But now that I'm watching the recon & finally listening to the audio (which, I'm ashamed to say, I never did when I watched it the first time, I've only heard the third serial's audio I believe) I'm adoring her even more now. She's so sweet & kind & helpful to everyone, & she's definitely looking after Jamie very well. Polly would be a lovely mother, I think.
- Fuckery . . . the Cybermen have shown up in the base now . . . & Jamie thinks they're coming for him. ::holds him::
- Okay, Jamie has just seen a Cyberman. A Telosian Cybermen, if I remember my history right . . . & I have just been rendered a bit on the speechless side by seeing a fairly nice amount of Jamie's uncovered chest. Um, er . . . what was I going to say?
- & o, there it is again & how beautiful does he look even when sick & even when sick he's so brave & ready to fight even Death itself . . . ::babbles incoherently::
- Okay, we're referencing back to The Tenth Planet after Polly's sighting of the Cyberman. Poor girl, she's quite scared! I don't blame her at all; Cybermen in any form can be terrifying, really!
- & the second story has Two being made of funny, adorable, sneaky win. ::dances:: & a medical degree in Glasgow, in 1888? Interesting . . .
- I'm having a ridiculously hard time not doing a lot of fangirling whilst I watch this & it's HARD!
- O, Jamie, Jamie . . . . you poor darling . . . . & YOU KEEP YOUR HORRIBLE CYBER HANDS OFF OF HIM & AWAY FROM POLLY, YOU STUPID TIN BOX!
- I have to say, the way trhe Cybermen were able to get inside the moonbase & kidnap their prisoners was awesome. It's part of why I prefer old-school!Cybermen to the new-school!Cybermen - the original ones, both Mondasian & Telosian, had a lot of stealth & were virtually undetectable if you didn't know what they were or just didn't believe in them. The newer ones, while a bit more shinier & more fancified, they have no real stealth & rely more on their weapons & their 'delete or convert' commands to instil terror into the people around them. The original ones were far more subtle in their acquirement of new Cybermen & of taking out what they didn't want in the process.
- OMG PAT STOP BEING SO CUTE!! I CAN'T THINK PROPERLY! ::flails about::
- SUGAR! SUGAR IS EVIL, EVEN IN 2070! & Two knows it. & o, wow, the part where they find where the Cybermen have been hiding? CHILLS ME TO THE BONE & it always has, even when I first saw it. (& part of that totally goes to Patrick Troughton & his lovely voice for making it all the more chilling. The low, whispery way he says everything . . . it makes it just that bit more scary.& pretty damn sexy, I should add.) & when the Cyberman in there appears right at the end? Yes, I'd be running & hiding myself then!
- Okay, we're back in recon mode now, but this is the one I've heard the audio of & where Polly's going to shine like the Northern Star!
- Even the Telosian Cybermen know the Doctor. I, I don't know how, but they do, apparently.
- DON'T YOU LAY A HAND ON MY JAMIE YOU FANCY BITS OF SCRAP METAL!
- O dear, they're . . . they're converting the sick ones they kidnapped, more or less. Or at least putting them under Cyber control. I don't care, both frighten me a bit.
- O, Jamie, you're feeling better! ::hugs him::
- & now, the Duchess is gonna shine like the star she is! Along with Jamie & Ben, she's come up with a plan to try sprinkling the Cybermen's main chest units with nail varnish remover!
Ben fought the Mondasian breed off with radiation. Polly's going to attack them with nail varnish remover! & Ben's helping her improve on it by suggesting the two of them whip up a cocktail of everything they've got on hand & spraying the Cybermen with it.
Ben Jackson & Polly Wright - Cybermen slayers!
- YES! Two's noting the possibility of radioactive material on the base, I do believe.
- Polly cocktail! ::giggles:: ROCK ON, CYBERMEN SLAYERS. But Ben gets a slap on the wrist for not letting Polly go with them saying it's 'men's work.' But AH! Polly Wright's not put down so easily, is she? She's going with them, whether they like it or not.
- 'It takes more than a knock on the head to keep a McCrimmon down!' JAMIE♥♥♥
- & it works!! Cybermen are down for a bit & now the others can start work on repairing & fighting back! & Ben got another out of the way! ::grins::
(& for the last story, I'm supplementing it with my Lost in Time DVDs)
- Now everything's really picking up - the Cybermen have cut off the base from Earth & they're all around the base.
- I have to say, I'm with Ben - just a bit too neat & easy for one to really be comfortable with.
- Two was right - they know about the relief rocket & they're going to try & get back into the base.
- Just out of curiosity, why would they have left one of the Cybermen's mind control units near one of the sick men? Isn't that just a little careless?
- Random fashion note: Jamie has nice socks! They go well with his kilt.
- Also, Evans is wearing his, for lack of better description, waffle cone hat backwards! I've seen this so many times & it always bothers me - wouldn't someone noticed? ::sighs:: Then he changes it when he turns around! ARGH. Continuity errors always bug me.
- I can say this for the Cybermen - their tenacity is almost as fierce as the Doctor's!
- HA! Two knew they couldn't obliterate the base as long as the force field was up & he proved it! & I love the look on his face - such a defiant, saucy look for him to wear. ::giggle:: & I love how he looks like he's about to pass out right after the Cybermen take their second shot - he looks so dazed & goofy & he does collapse slightly! It's rather cute & a nice contrast to his ballsy stance earlier. I heart Two so.
- LOLZ FLOATING CYBERMEN! ::gigglesnorts:: LOVE IT!
- Now our kickass foursome are making their way back to the TARDIS, looking like funny space bug-people in their goggles. Dematerialising . . . looking at the time scanner . . . WHAT IS THAT?
'Oh, second sight. Very dangerous, Doctor!'
Jamie, you lovely thing. ♥ You'll get used to it all in time!
WHEW! Quite a batch of recapping, eh? Next up will be The Macra Terror, The Faceless Ones, which, sadly, will be Ben & Polly's final serial with Two & Jamie, then The Evil of the Daleks, where we shall meet the next person to join Jamie & Two on their travels - the lovely miss Victoria Waterfield!
Previous recaps
The Dalek Invasion of Earth
The Time Meddler
The War Machines
The Smugglers
The Tenth Planet
The Power of the Daleks
The Highlanders
- So after The Power of the Daleks, Ben, Polly & Two have rematerialised somewhere that Ben hopes is home, only to have something shot at them. The Doctor's ready to pull them out of wherever they've landed, but Polly absolutely insists they go after Ben & refuses to let the Doctor do otherwise. (Good start for our miss Polly!)
- Here's a bit that makes me wish this serial had survived even just a bit - Jamie McCrimmon's first onscreen words! & his first action - giving the last of their water to his wounded laird. & um, because I am fond of Jamie (but I'll try to keep the gushing to a minimum!), I want to note his sort of optimism, if that's the correct word, in thinking that the English couldn't possibly hang all of them. I've not much else to say on it, but I like it. He's optimistic in the face of some pretty ugly odds.
- OMG I LOVE HIS HAT! Silly Two! ::giggles::
- Um. He's got two very angry Highlanders holding weapons on him now. Um.
- Whoa. QUITE a row in that cottage! & Ben threatening injured men with guns! & um, keep your swords off Polly please. & Jamie seems ready to kill all three of them as the rest of them, which is . . . well, I'm not going to fault him on this; his reasoning is sound. & Polly plays her awesome card again by getting Alexander & Jamie to hand over their swords!
- 'A Highlander's word is his bond.'
- BEN, YOU IDIOT! You DON'T THROW GUNS! & Two is right - you should have paid a bit more attention to your history lessons! & REALLY, didn't they teach you to handle firearms in the navy?
- O GOD THEY SHOT ALEXANDER! BASTARDS!
- Two with a German accent . . . teehee! (& the Redcoats are all 'Doctor who?' LULZ. incidentally, the German name he uses translates to, if I remember right, 'Doctor of Who.') & goodness me, those Redcoats are not a pleasant bunch, even toward Ben. ::bites nails::
- Polly's got the guts to cause a diversion! & she's keeping Kirsty's spirits up all the while - good Polly, go Polly! First half of the story & she's already kicking arse - Redcoat arse, even!
- Two's fast thinking is a blessing. ::happy sigh::
- Jamie would rather hang than be separated from his laird . . . he's got loyalty in spades.
(those ellipsises were rather necessary here - it saved you a bit of flail!)
- Meanwhile, Polly's still up to her fabulousness & helping Kirsty plot a way to save both their friends. & ouch! Polly has a tongue on her when she's provoked into using it! A very sharp tongue indeed.
- I really love Polly so far in this serial - she's really playing a very proactive role in this story. Not that she hasn't in the other serials I've seen, but here, she's really shining, I think. She's making plans, fighting back & keeping her companion's spirits up when she claims that everything is hopeless. Even though she's been pretty much on her own in this serial so far, she's showing herself to be a brave & tough companion & that she can handle herself without the Doctor or even Ben to watch her back. If I didn't love Polly before, this would be the serial where I'd totally fall in love with her.
- Meanwhile, Ben, Two, Jamie & Jamie's laird are locked up in a Redcoat slammer, with Two working to save the laird's life.
'A right rat hole this is, isn't it?'
'Trust me, King George has worse than this, never fear.'
Nothing much, but damn, I thought that was a cute exchange between Ben & Jamie. & HEE, TWO'S ACTUALLY ENJOYING IT! O, Two, you're wonderful.
(also, since it sort of just came to me - I did notice Jamie's ability to figure things out rather quickly, even if he doesn't quite understand them yet.
- Hmm . . . Two seems to be playing to Jamie's concerns about his not practising blood-letting on the laird in a similar way he used on Captain Pike in The Smugglers. But I think his intentions are different - he knows blood-letting is deadly, but Jamie of course, wouldn't. So one could say perhaps he's gently lying to Jamie to put his concerns to rest? But he says he believes it, as does Jamie, so I'm not sure . . . but I still feel that he's, as I said, sort of gently lying to Jamie to keep him calm. But I could be wrong.
- Yay, out comes the recorder! & Two's playing a Scottish song & getting everyone to join in! (okay, I've got to write that fic now)
- Okay . . . I'm a little uncomfy with Two's scheme, but I know not to doubt Two so much. Two knows what he's doing. I hope.
- HA! Polly blackmailing a Redcoat & deploying him in her's & Kirsty's plan! I HAVE NO WORDS. Can we give her a sonic screwdriver of her own, please?
- See? I KNEW not to doubt Two; he knows just what he's doing! & he's damn good too. ::grins:: & hee! the bit with him banging Perkins' head into the desk? It makes me think of a Marx Brothers short, or of a Charlie Chaplin film. & even in a comical moment, Two's still as sneaky as ever!
- O. My. Giddy. Aunt. Two . . . did you just dress up as a woman?!
- ::DIES:: HE DID! So, Three wasn't the first to dress up like a lady! ::gigglesnorts::
(& um, Patrick Troughton does an elderly, shaky female voice rather well, I must note. ::giggles:: Actually, he's been pretty good with the German accent as well! Ah, I wish I could hear him do a French one! ::swoons::)
- A big reason I'm enjoying this serial so much is because I'm learning so much more about Jamie - in a way, it's sort of like I'm just getting to meet him for the first time.
- O, Polly must look beautiful in her new frock! Another reason I wish this serial had survived!
- LULZ, TWO'S STILL DRESSED LIKE A WOMAN. (sorry, it just makes me giggle madly.)
- O, those girls are playing their cards well, I must say - in all the ways they need to. Brave ladies, the pair of them!
- They're playing whist! I know nothing of whist, save for what I've read of it in the Horatio Hornblower stories, but I couldn't resist mentioning it.
- 'You know those dresses really do suit you, Doctor!'
'Oh, you saucy girl!'
::giggles madly::
- I'm just kind of quietly worrying over Ben, thankyouverymuch. ::panics:: I know, I know, I probably shouldn't, but I am! I don't want any harm to come to the poor thing!
- O, Ben's okay! Cold, hungry & soaked, but he manages to get himself free & to shore! ::clings to Ben::
- O YAY TWO'S HERE! ::hugs him too:: & he & Ben are planning to start a revolt on the Annabelle!
- Ooo, Ben knows a bit of rope trickery!
- 'I liked you better in your dress, Doctor.
'Aye, you made a good granny.'
LOLZ.
- Polly & Kirsty are absolutely refusing to stay behind & they're not taking their eyes off Ben & Two. KICKASS. & I like how Kirsty's changed from her first appearance - she was so weepy & distrustful, but now, she knows Polly & her friends a bit better & she's definitely pleased to be working with them. I do quite like her now. & those lassies need to help the fight on the Annabelle - they will be ferocious!
- Soft hands, face & hair . . . he's talking about Jamie, isn't he? I'm going to refrain from noting the details of Jamie's appearance so soon & just say that Two better not get him hurt.
- FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT! (& yes, I'm now worrying about Jamie - please don't let him be hurt!)
- OMG, JAMIE! He saved Ben's life! & he tussled with a man wielding a cutlass! JAMIE!!
- JAMIE! You followed them! I . . . o, JAMIE. How so brave & strong?
- Dude, I really love Patrick Troughton's German accent. ♥♥♥
- HA. Grey's been taken down & Ffinch has proved himself not as evil a creature as I thought. & Polly gives him a little kiss! Aww. & YES! Two pinched the contracts! ♥ all around.
- Jamie gets to go with them, provided he teaches Two to play the bagpipes? THIS? IS FIC. RIGHT HERE.
- & off they go, now with the lovely & stalwart Jamie McCrimmon at their side.
The Underwater Menace
- Jamie is SO lost, the poor dear. But like I said, Ben & Polly are helping him get acclimated! & I'm really glad that we get to see his 'it's bigger on the inside' reaction to the TARDIS; I was slightly disappointed that we didn't see it at the end of The Highlanders. (I know he doesn't actually say it, but you know he was probably thinking that.)
- Shallow fanbunny note: Jamie is looking quite lovely in the clothes he's got on - it would be the McCrimmon tartan, I'd venture? Well, either way, he looks lovely in them. & Polly appears to still be wearing her Scottish dress! O, she looks like a dream in it & I do so love her hair!
- Ben's quoting the Doctor by saying 'it's in the lap of the gods' makes me think of Katarina, for some reason.
- ASDFGHJKL;';L.,KJHNBGFDSASXCDFVGHJKL.; JESUS CHRIST TWO JUST QUOTED ROBERT BURNS!! & to Jamie, it's still 1746 & Robert Burns wasn't born until 1759!
(um, allow me a quick explanation - I've been wanting to write fic where Two introduces Jamie to the works of Robert Burns for a while now, because not only was he one of Scotland's greatest poets, he was also a v. accomplished lyricist & wrote many songs which I believe were for bagpipes. Jamie, for obvious reasons, wouldn't know of them & Two would most likely want to show them to Jamie, not just as a piper, but as literature as well & knowing a bit of his own history. It's one of those fics where I KNOW it's something Two would do & that Jamie would be interested in - I, um, just haven't written it yet. Also, everyone should read the poetry of Robert Burns; it's so beautiful & it makes me want to race through wood & glen like a feral, dangerous little curiosity.)
- This recon? IS ANOTHER ABSOLUTELY CRACKING RECON! The Underwater Menace, for some, isn't a favourite serial, but no matter - this recon is really well done!
- O, miss Polly, how do you get to be so pretty?
- I keep imagining Two licking all the rock & pottery he finds. ::laughs::
- In this serial, I just realised how handy it may be to have a sailor around. ::laughs::
- Polly speaks three languages? Or at least knows how to ask if someone speaks English in three! Not bad, Duchess!
- Heehee, Two loves hats! But right now, it's food.
- I don't like the idea of Ben, Polly & Jamie hovering over a shark tank. Not in the slightest.
- Or Two, either. ::chews lip::
- Hmm, I see Two signs his note 'Dr W.' Interesting . . .
- Yay, they're free!
- NO FISH!POLLY PLEASE. ::glares::
- OMG! They're on Atlantis?! Um . . . wow!
- No, no! Don't make Polly a fish!
- Okay! Two's not letting Polly go all fishgirl today!
- Ara's quite lovely, I must say.
- With all the talk Zaroff does about blowing up the world, he reminds me vaguely of Salamander in The Enemy of the World. Hmm . . .
- To be honest, while Ara's nice, I don't like the idea of Polly being led around by someone else - I KNOW Polly; she's perfectly able of handling herself in a crisis & getting herself out of trouble. That bit just bugs me somewhat.
- & out comes the recorder!
- One of my earliest serials, after I'd begun the Troughton era serials, was this one, or at least the last two parts which survive & I remember that even then, I didn't particularly enjoy it, even if it had some of my favourite things within it. To be honest, the only thing I've enjoyed of this serial is Jamie's first look at the TARDIS. Beyond that, the great quality of the recon, & Patrick Troughton & Frazer Hines being deliciously sexy, I just don't enjoy this serial.
- Also, I'm kind of surprised that Polly hasn't been as amazingly proactive, or even half as great as she was in The Highlanders. Well, perhaps I shouldn't be surprised; I was told that Polly's characterisation in this is less than stellar. She looks beautiful in her fishgirl outfit, but beyond that . . . she's not as awesome as I know her to be. & it's not making this serial any more enjoyable; if anything, it's just making me less interested in it. & because I love her, it's really annoying me.
- HEE! Two looks so silly in his disguise & I just LOVE it. & his sunglasses! O you silly, silly Doctor. ::hugs him:: & recorder love!
- JAMIE & BEN IN RUBBER WETSUITS. YES PLEASE!
- Two is saucy, snappy & pleasantly cocksure . . . . it's really attractive on him.
- Okay, WHAT THE FUCK, WHY DIDN'T ANYONE BELIEVE JAMIE WHEN HE SAID ZAROFF'S COLLAPSE WAS A FEINT? I mean, WHAT THE FUCK?! Two, I'm surprised at you.
- Great. Now we're really seeing Polly being thrown into the stereotype of 'Classic!Who screamer', aren't we? I'd like to punch the writers now.
- Mmm, I like Ben with his wetsuit undone as it is . . . ::whistles::
- While the writing of Polly is pissing me off royally, I like that Jamie saved her. It was a good moment for him. But Polly could have got herself out of that just fine, dammit!
- Okay, Zaroff is nothing like Salamander & thank goodness for that. Only the fact that they wanted to blow the planet up linked them, & now, that's all the similarity between them. Good.
- This recon is so wonderfully done . . . I'm still fangirling!
- 'Do you know what you're doing?'
'Oh, what a question! Of course I don't!'
- For his first experience with the Doctor, Jamie seems to be doing quite well.
- Ha! Even in a serious moment, Two still can toss a wisecrack out, should he wish. ::grins::
- I'm sorry, but at this point, Polly screaming that she can't get out & that she'll never make it . . . WHY?! We're going into very big stereotype territory here & I hate it so much. Polly is so much better than that!
- For some reason, the talk of building a new Atlantis, without superstition or gods & temples, makes me think of SGA/Doctor Who crossovers, with Two, Ben, Polly & Jamie visiting Atlantis after the Stargate program has arrived there.
- Mmm, hello sailor & Scotsman! ::waves::
- Polly's got a GREAT hat on & Jamie's happiness & comfort inside the TARDIS . . . I love it. He's happy with Two, Ben & Polly. & he's not afraid of going places he doesn't understand anything about. O, Jamie. You're such a sweetheart. & you always did belong
- & HA. THE DOCTOR FINALLY ADMITS HE KNOWS HOW TO CONTROL THE TARDIS! He just never wanted to do it proper! Silly little man!
& where the four of them are going, I do not know . . . but we'll find out soon!
The Moonbase
- I actually forgot that this was a Cybermen story until I saw Kit Pedler's name come up in the opening! Bad me!
- Okay, so after the TARDIS went crazy at the end of The Underwater Menace , she's seemed to land on somewhere that could be Mars or the moon. The moon, actually as a lovely friend of Two's will point out eventually . . .
- Ben's already making me laugh in this story, with his gentle teasing of Two for belong only 200,0000 miles off. ::tickles him::
- I love Jamie being all, 'But the moon's way up in the sky!' & then 'Maybe we'll meet the old man in the moon!' SO CUTE.
- Ben & Polly want to explore the moon right away & persuade Two to let them do so. & of course, Jamie comes along!
- AWW, MOONJUMPING CONTEST! ::giggles:: It must be fun to play on the moon, actually. I rather wish I could do so.
- Okay, so now the four of them are inside the moonbase - ugh, lecherous men touching Polly. ::cringes:: HANDS OFF.
- 2070?! Well, at least they've landed in the twenty-first century this time. & by then, they can control the weather from the moon - cool!
- O, dear, now Jamie's been taken ill? I think I missed something somewhere . . . o, it must have been because of his fall during the moonjumping . . . . well, he's sick now & o, the poor love. & I love Polly explaining Jamie's feverish babbles to Two & Ben - I'd be sensible like Polly but I'm just worried about Jamie! Our poor, sick Jamie.
- The sound quality of this recon - the volume is so low that I can just barely hear it, even with both VLC & River's volume all the way up. Here I could supplement with my Lost in Time DVDs, but I want to watch the recon of it.
- Polly looks quite lovely here, I want to note - & this was my first serial that I saw her in! I loved her sweater, eye makeup & hair. But now that I'm watching the recon & finally listening to the audio (which, I'm ashamed to say, I never did when I watched it the first time, I've only heard the third serial's audio I believe) I'm adoring her even more now. She's so sweet & kind & helpful to everyone, & she's definitely looking after Jamie very well. Polly would be a lovely mother, I think.
- Fuckery . . . the Cybermen have shown up in the base now . . . & Jamie thinks they're coming for him. ::holds him::
- Okay, Jamie has just seen a Cyberman. A Telosian Cybermen, if I remember my history right . . . & I have just been rendered a bit on the speechless side by seeing a fairly nice amount of Jamie's uncovered chest. Um, er . . . what was I going to say?
- & o, there it is again & how beautiful does he look even when sick & even when sick he's so brave & ready to fight even Death itself . . . ::babbles incoherently::
- Okay, we're referencing back to The Tenth Planet after Polly's sighting of the Cyberman. Poor girl, she's quite scared! I don't blame her at all; Cybermen in any form can be terrifying, really!
- & the second story has Two being made of funny, adorable, sneaky win. ::dances:: & a medical degree in Glasgow, in 1888? Interesting . . .
- I'm having a ridiculously hard time not doing a lot of fangirling whilst I watch this & it's HARD!
- O, Jamie, Jamie . . . . you poor darling . . . . & YOU KEEP YOUR HORRIBLE CYBER HANDS OFF OF HIM & AWAY FROM POLLY, YOU STUPID TIN BOX!
- I have to say, the way trhe Cybermen were able to get inside the moonbase & kidnap their prisoners was awesome. It's part of why I prefer old-school!Cybermen to the new-school!Cybermen - the original ones, both Mondasian & Telosian, had a lot of stealth & were virtually undetectable if you didn't know what they were or just didn't believe in them. The newer ones, while a bit more shinier & more fancified, they have no real stealth & rely more on their weapons & their 'delete or convert' commands to instil terror into the people around them. The original ones were far more subtle in their acquirement of new Cybermen & of taking out what they didn't want in the process.
- OMG PAT STOP BEING SO CUTE!! I CAN'T THINK PROPERLY! ::flails about::
- SUGAR! SUGAR IS EVIL, EVEN IN 2070! & Two knows it. & o, wow, the part where they find where the Cybermen have been hiding? CHILLS ME TO THE BONE & it always has, even when I first saw it. (& part of that totally goes to Patrick Troughton & his lovely voice for making it all the more chilling. The low, whispery way he says everything . . . it makes it just that bit more scary.
- Okay, we're back in recon mode now, but this is the one I've heard the audio of & where Polly's going to shine like the Northern Star!
- Even the Telosian Cybermen know the Doctor. I, I don't know how, but they do, apparently.
- DON'T YOU LAY A HAND ON MY JAMIE YOU FANCY BITS OF SCRAP METAL!
- O dear, they're . . . they're converting the sick ones they kidnapped, more or less. Or at least putting them under Cyber control. I don't care, both frighten me a bit.
- O, Jamie, you're feeling better! ::hugs him::
- & now, the Duchess is gonna shine like the star she is! Along with Jamie & Ben, she's come up with a plan to try sprinkling the Cybermen's main chest units with nail varnish remover!
Ben fought the Mondasian breed off with radiation. Polly's going to attack them with nail varnish remover! & Ben's helping her improve on it by suggesting the two of them whip up a cocktail of everything they've got on hand & spraying the Cybermen with it.
Ben Jackson & Polly Wright - Cybermen slayers!
- YES! Two's noting the possibility of radioactive material on the base, I do believe.
- Polly cocktail! ::giggles:: ROCK ON, CYBERMEN SLAYERS. But Ben gets a slap on the wrist for not letting Polly go with them saying it's 'men's work.' But AH! Polly Wright's not put down so easily, is she? She's going with them, whether they like it or not.
- 'It takes more than a knock on the head to keep a McCrimmon down!' JAMIE♥♥♥
- & it works!! Cybermen are down for a bit & now the others can start work on repairing & fighting back! & Ben got another out of the way! ::grins::
(& for the last story, I'm supplementing it with my Lost in Time DVDs)
- Now everything's really picking up - the Cybermen have cut off the base from Earth & they're all around the base.
- I have to say, I'm with Ben - just a bit too neat & easy for one to really be comfortable with.
- Two was right - they know about the relief rocket & they're going to try & get back into the base.
- Just out of curiosity, why would they have left one of the Cybermen's mind control units near one of the sick men? Isn't that just a little careless?
- Random fashion note: Jamie has nice socks! They go well with his kilt.
- Also, Evans is wearing his, for lack of better description, waffle cone hat backwards! I've seen this so many times & it always bothers me - wouldn't someone noticed? ::sighs:: Then he changes it when he turns around! ARGH. Continuity errors always bug me.
- I can say this for the Cybermen - their tenacity is almost as fierce as the Doctor's!
- HA! Two knew they couldn't obliterate the base as long as the force field was up & he proved it! & I love the look on his face - such a defiant, saucy look for him to wear. ::giggle:: & I love how he looks like he's about to pass out right after the Cybermen take their second shot - he looks so dazed & goofy & he does collapse slightly! It's rather cute & a nice contrast to his ballsy stance earlier. I heart Two so.
- LOLZ FLOATING CYBERMEN! ::gigglesnorts:: LOVE IT!
- Now our kickass foursome are making their way back to the TARDIS, looking like funny space bug-people in their goggles. Dematerialising . . . looking at the time scanner . . . WHAT IS THAT?
'Oh, second sight. Very dangerous, Doctor!'
Jamie, you lovely thing. ♥ You'll get used to it all in time!
WHEW! Quite a batch of recapping, eh? Next up will be The Macra Terror, The Faceless Ones, which, sadly, will be Ben & Polly's final serial with Two & Jamie, then The Evil of the Daleks, where we shall meet the next person to join Jamie & Two on their travels - the lovely miss Victoria Waterfield!
Previous recaps
The Dalek Invasion of Earth
The Time Meddler
The War Machines
The Smugglers
The Tenth Planet
The Power of the Daleks
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Date: 2009-06-20 09:33 am (UTC)Well, it is a ruse - Alexander and Jamie would have killed them otherwise, and after he did this they could finally attend to the Laird's wounds.
O GOD THEY SHOT ALEXANDER! BASTARDS!
I can't say I was fond of Alexander, but his death made me sad. Still, I think he died the way he wanted - fighting the Redcoats. Too bad the diversion he wanted to cause didn't happen. :(
I think I have a recon of it
OMG, YOU HAVE A RECON OF THE DALEKS' MASTER PLAN? *covets it like whoa*
It was mentioned in our talk that the writers had been asked to remove Katarina because of the nature of her character - she needed to have things explained to her & she didn't understand a lot of what she was faced with.
Yes, that's exactly it. Mind you, she was a fast learner, and in her penultimate episode it was clear she had already managed to assimilate and understand a great deal more than she did initially, but it was in a much slower pace than Jamie does.
I love the blood-letting scene - it shows just how much Jamie will learn and how quickly he manages to learn it once he joins Team TARDIS.
As for Two believing it, I think he said it just to make Ben stop going on about it. *shrugs*
& hee! the bit with him banging Perkins' head into the desk?
One of the most brilliant moments EVER. *nods*
LULZ, TWO'S STILL DRESSED LIKE A WOMAN. (sorry, it just makes me giggle madly.)
He reminds me of the Virgin Mandy from Monty Python's Life of Brian. :P
& I like how Kirsty's changed from her first appearance - she was so weepy & distrustful, but now, she knows Polly & her friends a bit better & she's definitely pleased to be working with them.
I remember writing in my own recap for this serial about her change. Her initial nervousness and apparent frailty is understandable if we remember that she's an 18th-century lady, who grew up surrounded by servants (her father is a Laird, and therefore a nobleman) and luxury, and was brought up under certain conventions; then, Culloden happens and she's thrown into hell, and it's at this point that we first meet her. Luckily, her true nature is slowly revealed as time passes.
Jamie is looking quite lovely in the clothes he's got on - it would be the McCrimmon tartan, I'd venture?
I believe that, at the time, clan tartans hadn't been established yet; it's just a general tartan patterns.
Ben's quoting the Doctor by saying 'it's in the lap of the gods' makes me think of Katarina, for some reason.
Yes, for me too - but in my case it has to do with the fact that "In the Lap of the Gods" is the title I gave to Katarina's fanmix (as I had included a two-part Queen song by the same title).
Polly speaks three languages?
She is an educated lady, as well as a cracking secretary to a worldwide famous scientist. Therefore, it's perfectly logical that she tuns out to be a... well, a polyglot. :D
Heehee, Two loves hats!
Well, he did spend his previous adventures repeating "I would like a hat like that" over and over. :P
Okay, Zaroff is nothing like Salamander & thank goodness for that. Only the fact that they wanted to blow the planet up linked them,
Actually, not even that. Salamander wants people to believe the planet has blown up, so that he can take advantage of it, but that's all.
And I've recently rewatched these three serials in order to catch up on the details so that I could comment on your recaps, and I can now confirm that Ara was indeed with Damon, Thous and the two miners at the end. Let up hope the rug seller was also alive and well...
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Date: 2009-06-22 09:49 am (UTC)Ah, yes, true. But still - was a bit worrying to see! (& if you think THAT made me worry, you should have seen me during The Macra Terror this afternoon!)
I can't say I was fond of Alexander, but his death made me sad. Still, I think he died the way he wanted - fighting the Redcoats. Too bad the diversion he wanted to cause didn't happen. :(
I sort of liked Alexander - but you know me; I tend to like anyone Jamie's got some sort of loyalty to by default initially. But I agree; I too think he died how he would have wished to, under the circumstances.
Yes, that's exactly it. Mind you, she was a fast learner, and in her penultimate episode it was clear she had already managed to assimilate and understand a great deal more than she did initially, but it was in a much slower pace than Jamie does.
I love the blood-letting scene - it shows just how much Jamie will learn and how quickly he manages to learn it once he joins Team TARDIS.
As for Two believing it, I think he said it just to make Ben stop going on about it. *shrugs*
Though I have yet to see miss Katarina, I just have to say ALL OF THIS, YES.
I remember writing in my own recap for this serial about her change. Her initial nervousness and apparent frailty is understandable if we remember that she's an 18th-century lady, who grew up surrounded by servants (her father is a Laird, and therefore a nobleman) and luxury, and was brought up under certain conventions; then, Culloden happens and she's thrown into hell, and it's at this point that we first meet her. Luckily, her true nature is slowly revealed as time passes.
I see what you mean - in the, erm, thing that I read as a bit of research for that silly Jamie/Victoria story I have in my head, the heroine was v. much like that herself, only she was a spoiled brat, really, but like Kirsty, she had to grow up & mature after something a bit similar happened to her & she lost all of her family as a result. (this was actually a little over a century before Jamie's time, actually) But Kirsty was wonderful & I really did grow to like her by the end.
Yes, for me too - but in my case it has to do with the fact that "In the Lap of the Gods" is the title I gave to Katarina's fanmix (as I had included a two-part Queen song by the same title).
Ah, YES! I thought it was something you'd told me One had said after her death, but YES, I remember seeing your Katarina mix & that being the title. (& it's a lovely title for her mix, based on what I know of her.)
She is an educated lady, as well as a cracking secretary to a worldwide famous scientist. Therefore, it's perfectly logical that she tuns out to be a... well, a polyglot. :D
Teehee! In the words of Jim Morrison, since her mind left school, it never hesitates. Ah, Polly. She's a twentieth century fox! :D (that song always makes me think of her, even though I originally got it from a Jo mix.)
Well, he did spend his previous adventures repeating "I would like a hat like that" over and over. :P
Seems like he got his wish then! :D
Actually, not even that. Salamander wants people to believe the planet has blown up, so that he can take advantage of it, but that's all.
You know . . . I disliked this serial so much, I don't even mind being wrong on that point. Besides, Salamander >>>>> Zaroff. A thousand times over, y/n?
And I've recently rewatched these three serials in order to catch up on the details so that I could comment on your recaps, and I can now confirm that Ara was indeed with Damon, Thous and the two miners at the end. Let up hope the rug seller was also alive and well...
She was, she was!
'cause I say so. :PMost likely, I think. ::nods::no subject
Date: 2009-06-22 10:31 am (UTC)Hm. What "erm, thing" was this, pray?
I thought it was something you'd told me One had said after her death
One's farewell lines to her were "I shall always remember her as one of the daughters of the gods." Makes me choke every time I watch the reconstruction clip of her death on YouTube.
Besides, Salamander >>>>> Zaroff. A thousand times over, y/n?
The fact that Salamander is played by Pat alone should comfirm it.
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Date: 2009-06-23 07:51 am (UTC)Alright, I'd best 'fess up now & face my shame . . . it was a romance novel set in 1608, about the daughter of a laird who is very close to her brothers & fathers & is v. spoiled & refuses to marry, until she ends up falling in love (& a fair bit of lust) with a Highland warrior named Jamie Campbell. Later on, Jamie's brother accuses her father of harbouring fugitives & orders an attack on their castle, her brothers & father die as a result & to keep her land, she agrees to marry Jamie. & stuff happens, they fall in complete love by the end, THE END.
& NO, NONE OF THAT WAS GOING TO BE IN THE JAMIE/VICTORIA! The actual fic was that Two would set the TARDIS down in the twentieth century, as sort of a 'field trip' for Victoria, to show her how life is after her own time. Victoria would be interested in going to the bookshop (one of the big three-level, coffee & book places) & they'd all wander around & Jamie, not ever having been in a bookshop like that before, would just walk around & look at whatever looked interesting to him & when they were leaving, they'd find him in the romance section reading a book with a similar theme to the above. (you wouldn't believe how many books I've seen just WALKING by that section that sound like what I've told you about!) & this book would have sort of given him an idea or two about 'modern' romance, leading to Victoria in a tree, Jamie trying to be all valiant & save her like he read, & her being a bit annoyed at him for thinking she couldn't help herself. & Two would probably explain to him that romance novels are not the best place to get ideas about wooing young ladies.
Um, that's the idea so far. Kind of - okay, maybe a LOT - cracky, but I kind of like it, in all its silliness. ::hides under her bed::
(& uh, I have a v. similar story to this, only it involved what I ever so delicately refer to as 'thinly veiled published Paul McGann porn'. & YES, it's in my room, with the above. But that one, I'm not so embarrassed about, oddly! :P)
& I WILL watch that clip one day - but I'm in a bit of a melancholic mood already, so perhaps not just at this moment. ♥
The fact that Salamander is played by Pat alone should comfirm it.
HELL YES! I can agree with that. :D
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Date: 2009-06-23 10:37 am (UTC)& this book would have sort of given him an idea or two about 'modern' romance, leading to Victoria in a tree, Jamie trying to be all valiant & save her like he read, & her being a bit annoyed at him for thinking she couldn't help herself.
Oh dear. (nowireallywanttoreadit)
'thinly veiled published Paul McGann porn'
*chokes on drink*
& I WILL watch that clip one day - but I'm in a bit of a melancholic mood already, so perhaps not just at this moment. ♥
No, definitely better not if you're feeling this way. It's impossible to remain with dry eyes after hearing William Hartnell say "Yes, as one of the daughters of the gods!"
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Date: 2009-06-24 12:29 am (UTC)Oh dear. (nowireallywanttoreadit)
I think you WILL be - I've had it in my head for a while now & after I READ the book for research purposes (seriously - I HAVE to know what one of those would be like if Jamie was going to be READING one!), if I don' write it, I'd just feel so embarrassed. ::giggleblush::
(& they'll be having a picnic & reading their new books. & Victoria will climb trees! But not in her crinoline - o, I'm SO glad I'm as close as I am to Evil of the Daleks!)
Hmm, should I take that as my . . . cue to EXPLAIN a bit about the thinly veiled published Paul McGann porn? ::flutters eyelashes::
No, definitely better not if you're feeling this way. It's impossible to remain with dry eyes after hearing William Hartnell say "Yes, as one of the daughters of the gods!"
O my. Is it as sad & yet beautiful as Susan's last scene? (o, how I cried the first time I watched it!)
(& rather randomly - I had the oddest dream this morning involving Ben & Polly spying on Salamander in one of his bases, Polly falling for him & him having Cybermen under his control & his own body being cybernetic as well. O my!)
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Date: 2009-06-24 05:30 am (UTC)She'd murder if anyone called her anything other than "Victoria" or "Miss Waterfield".
& Victoria will climb trees! But not in her crinoline
Well, you don't really see her doing anything like this, but it is implied she was a bit of a tomboy as a child.
Hmm, should I take that as my . . . cue to EXPLAIN a bit about the thinly veiled published Paul McGann porn? ::flutters eyelashes::
Erm... yesplease.
O my. Is it as sad & yet beautiful as Susan's last scene?
I guess it depends on your reaction to the quality of the recon.
& rather randomly - I had the oddest dream this morning involving Ben & Polly spying on Salamander in one of his bases, Polly falling for him & him having Cybermen under his control & his own body being cybernetic as well. O my!
Oh dear.
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Date: 2009-06-24 09:28 am (UTC)O, I've no doubt in my mind about that, none at ALL. I FINALLY, FINALLY no longer call her 'Vic' in my head & I sort of cringe when I see others refer to her by that. I usually call her miss Victoria or the lady Waterfield in my head now. (of course, Jamie won't be calling her either of those - writer's privilege only! :P)
Well, you don't really see her doing anything like this, but it is implied she was a bit of a tomboy as a child.
She won't be scaling up a huge oak tree like some crazy monkey, promise! She'll probably just go up a few branches for a sort of nostalgic feeling, or to get a better view of her surroundings & get her skirt snagged. (I think she'll be in the cream skirt Sarah Jane wore in Pyramids of Mars since it'll be between her first & second serials) Then insert Jamie being annoyingly valiant & such & the rest of the story! :D
& OKAY, STORY OF THE THINLY VEILED PUBLISHED PAUL McGANN PORN! :D
Well, one day I was perusing
& that's my story! :D ::turns cherry red::
& that was one CRACKY dream - the Cybermen in it freaked me out alone! & Polly was some kind of servant girl-spy who got all soppy-eyed when Salamander was in front of her & for some reason, half the dream took place in a castle & the last half took place in my HOUSE. & the Cybermen were in my LIVING ROOM. MY LIVING ROOM!
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Date: 2009-06-24 09:31 pm (UTC)Actually, I LOVE it when someone calls her "Vic" - but that's because I know she'll some some damage.
In the Fourteenverse, it's mentioned that Four called her "Vicki" once, but she let it slide because he had just regenerated and wasn't thinking clearly.
An interesting thing i noticed while listening to the Web of Fear audio is that the Brig (or Colonel, as he was at the time) calls her "Victoria". With the other girls around him, it's either "Miss Smith", "Miss Grant", "Miss Shaw" or "Miss Heriot", but for some reason Victoria earned the right of being addressed by first name.
(Which reminds me - I need to rewatch Battlefield in order to find out exactly how the Brig addresses Ace, since her surname is never mentioned onscreen.)
I think she'll be in the cream skirt Sarah Jane wore in Pyramids of Mars since it'll be between her first & second serials
But then the skirt will be snagged! *is a worrywart*
That rec sounds interesting. *bookmarks for later reading*
Whoa, now that's some disturbing dream. Lately I've only been dreaming about moving into my parents' hometown, for some unexplainable reason - those dreams need more Cybermen.
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Date: 2009-06-20 09:33 am (UTC)Okay, so now the four of them are inside the moonbase - ugh, lecherous men touching Polly. ::cringes:: HANDS OFF.
Actually, I think Benoit was just being helpful, though I can see how the cap used at that moment seems to point otherwise. These men are much more respectful and less hormonal than the ones from The Tenth Planet, thankfully.
2070?! Well, at least they've landed in the twenty-first century this time. & by then, they can control the weather from the moon - cool!
Even though we're not given a date later on, it is my firm belief that The Wheel in Space also takes place around 2070, and that The Seeds of Death is set a few decades later - long enough for rockets to stop being used as transportation, and for weather control to be transferred from the moonbase to Earth, the moonbase then being occupied by the T-Mat services (unless that one is a second moonbase). But I'm jumping too much ahead.
O, dear, now Jamie's been taken ill? I think I missed something somewhere . . . o, it must have been because of his fall during the moonjumping . . . .
Yes, from what I can gather from Polly's comment to the Cyberman later on, he suffered a concussion and his illness is the result of it.
& I have just been rendered a bit on the speechless side by seeing a fairly nice amount of Jamie's uncovered chest. Um, er . . . what was I going to say?
My reaction exactly. *ogles*
Even the Telosian Cybermen know the Doctor. I, I don't know how, but they do, apparently.
If you think about it, in the Telosian Cybermen's own chronology this takes place a century after The Invasion - so it's really not that surprising that they know Two.
Random fashion note: Jamie has nice socks! They go well with his kilt.
Even more random fashion note: Jamie will be wearing that sweater/kilt combo up to the early sequence of Tomb of the Cybermen. I'd go "eww" at the thought of him spending that much time without putting on some clean clothes if not for the fact that Polly's hair seems to indicate that a long time has passed since The Macra Terror and The Faceless Ones.
(Also, a photo of Michael Craze in panto I found some time ago has given me the theory that, during that time between those two serials, Two's gang ended up in ancient Egypt, leading to the story Ten has told Rose and Mickey about "Cleo" that Mickey jokes about in The Girl in the Fireplace).
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Date: 2009-06-22 10:02 am (UTC)Actually, I think Benoit was just being helpful, though I can see how the cap used at that moment seems to point otherwise. These men are much more respectful and less hormonal than the ones from The Tenth Planet, thankfully.
YES! I'm sure Ben was glad. ;) & hmm - you've given me an idea - perhaps I'll try listening to the first audio of the serial & see if my reactions differ from watching the recap - I'm thinking I'll do that when I get to the audios you sent me, if I can't supplement them with one of my DVDs or a recon.
Even though we're not given a date later on, it is my firm belief that The Wheel in Space also takes place around 2070, and that The Seeds of Death is set a few decades later - long enough for rockets to stop being used as transportation, and for weather control to be transferred from the moonbase to Earth, the moonbase then being occupied by the T-Mat services (unless that one is a second moonbase). But I'm jumping too much ahead.
Argh, brain.fried. But I'll keep this in mind when I get to The Seeds of Death. :)
& I have just been rendered a bit on the speechless side by seeing a fairly nice amount of Jamie's uncovered chest. Um, er . . . what was I going to say?
My reaction exactly. *ogles*
AH YES. ::flails:: I WISH I'd included that in my giant Jamie picspam, because I don't think I did! HOW COULD I DO THAT?!
If you think about it, in the Telosian Cybermen's own chronology this takes place a century after The Invasion - so it's really not that surprising that they know Two.
::smacks head:: YES, YOU ARE COMPLETELY RIGHT. I didn't even take The Invasion into consideration when I was watching The Moonbase - OF COURSE that's how they would know Two!
(& on another note, at least I won't be as dumb when I get to The Evil of the Daleks - I KNOW how they already know Two! :D)
Even more random fashion note: Jamie will be wearing that sweater/kilt combo up to the early sequence of Tomb of the Cybermen. I'd go "eww" at the thought of him spending that much time without putting on some clean clothes if not for the fact that Polly's hair seems to indicate that a long time has passed since The Macra Terror and The Faceless Ones.
Now that I've seen both - or at least part of The Faceless Ones, I'd say you're right. (& OMG, HOW COULD POLLY LET THEM CUT HER HAIR OFF LIKE THAT?! Her hair was so pretty long! It looked nice short, but she looks most pretty in long hair.)
(Also, a photo of Michael Craze in panto I found some time ago has given me the theory that, during that time between those two serials, Two's gang ended up in ancient Egypt, leading to the story Ten has told Rose and Mickey about "Cleo" that Mickey jokes about in The Girl in the Fireplace).
O! DO elaborate please? :D
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Date: 2009-06-22 10:41 am (UTC)Ooh, Ywo's hat! *dances around with it*
& hmm - you've given me an idea - perhaps I'll try listening to the first audio of the serial & see if my reactions differ from watching the recap - I'm thinking I'll do that when I get to the audios you sent me, if I can't supplement them with one of my DVDs or a recon.
That sounds like a good plan. Let me know how it goes.
AH YES. ::flails:: I WISH I'd included that in my giant Jamie picspam, because I don't think I did! HOW COULD I DO THAT?!
*assumes WOTAN voice* Jamie's bare chest is required...
I didn't even take The Invasion into consideration when I was watching The Moonbase - OF COURSE that's how they would know Two!
Only now I'm wondering how the Cybermen from The Invasion knew him as well. *mind boggles*
& OMG, HOW COULD POLLY LET THEM CUT HER HAIR OFF LIKE THAT?! Her hair was so pretty long! It looked nice short, but she looks most pretty in long hair.
The short hair suited her mod personality, I think. I prefer it long as well, though. *shrugs*
O! DO elaborate please? :D
This is the aforementioned photo. The first time I saw it, I got a mental image of the Season 4 gang having an adventure in Ancient Egypt, which I'm sure from his expression Ben likes to pretend never happened. Since in Girl in the Fireplace it's suggested that the Doctor has some very... erm, "fond" memories of Cleopatra, it could be that Two and Cleo got very frisky together. :P
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Date: 2009-06-23 07:19 am (UTC)::looks rather hypnotised:: I can arrange for this, yes I can . . .
(I think one day, we're just going to have to spam each other with Jamie caps & or .gifs. Because NOTHING is more fun than a comment party. & one with more Jamie? EXTRA YAY! :D)
I'll definitely let you know how it goes - I think it'll be like listening to a Big Finish audio in some way - I've NEVER had trouble imagining everything that's going on, even with my first ones. :D
Only now I'm wondering how the Cybermen from The Invasion knew him as well. *mind boggles*
Now I'M going to be thinking about this for days! Maybe from Tomb of the Cybermen? They were Telosian ones, right? That could maybe explain it?
The short hair suited her mod personality, I think. I prefer it long as well, though. *shrugs*
You know, I'd say it did too, but she looked so fab with her longer hair. (& I would LOVE to try her hairstyle that she wears in The Faceless Ones - I'm thinking of showing it to the barbarian & seeing if she could do something similar - 'cause I KNOW I couldn't on my own the first time! & it'd look great with my false eyelashes . . . which I need to practise putting on. :P Polly's SO one of my fashion idols.)
The first time I saw it, I got a mental image of the Season 4 gang having an adventure in Ancient Egypt, which I'm sure from his expression Ben likes to pretend never happened. Since in Girl in the Fireplace it's suggested that the Doctor has some very... erm, "fond" memories of Cleopatra, it could be that Two and Cleo got very frisky together. :P
After looking at that picture? The first things that popped into my head were Polly in sexy, gorgeous Egyptian fashion & Jamie being dressed rather . . . similarly to Ben. I wonder if anyone ever wrote that . . . THAT'S a four-parter I'd not mind writing! :D Can you imagine Jamie's reaction to HAVING to wear something like that? ::gigglesnorts:: But the image of Polly I've got is my favourite I think. :D
& I'm currently digging through my icon collection for a decent Polly icon - I NEED one of her proper!
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Date: 2009-06-23 10:33 am (UTC)Now that's an idea... *grins*
Now I'M going to be thinking about this for days! Maybe from Tomb of the Cybermen?
But Tomb takes place in the future. There's an expedition of anthropologists who travelled to Telos in a rocket in order to study the tomb, so it definitely takes place after The Invasion (and possibly after Moonbase and Wheel).
& I would LOVE to try her hairstyle that she wears in The Faceless Ones
I would too, but sadly with my bone structure very few short hairstyles look good on me. Polly's long hair doesn't work for me either, because my hair is too thin and fragile, and after reaching a certain length it starts to get damaged by its own weight. *sighs* The Polly look is certainly not for me. Peri's hair, on the other hand, suits be wonderfully.
I wonder if anyone ever wrote that . . . THAT'S a four-parter I'd not mind writing! :D
Heh. And I'd love reading it. ;)
Can you imagine Jamie's reaction to HAVING to wear something like that? ::gigglesnorts::
I think his scown would match Ben's. :P
Now, Two's reaction to wearing that outfit, on the other hand... *dies laughing*
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Date: 2009-06-24 12:42 am (UTC)But Tomb takes place in the future. There's an expedition of anthropologists who travelled to Telos in a rocket in order to study the tomb, so it definitely takes place after The Invasion (and possibly after Moonbase and Wheel).
. . . MY BRAAAAAAAAAAAAIN. ::steam sprays out of ears:: I'll . . . I'll save this thought-line until I SEE both stories?
I would too, but sadly with my bone structure very few short hairstyles look good on me. Polly's long hair doesn't work for me either, because my hair is too thin and fragile, and after reaching a certain length it starts to get damaged by its own weight. *sighs* The Polly look is certainly not for me. Peri's hair, on the other hand, suits be wonderfully.
Peri!hair! ♥ She had lovely hair! Myself on the other hand . . . I have rather long hair when I straighten it out, but when it's curly, it can look fairly long. (but I think it's damn near Four hair - which is WHY I always have it straight!) But straight, of course, IS part of the Polly look! So I have that down, at least! ^^
I think I'll take the writing of such a story into consideration - it could be LOADS of fun! & more historical!fic would be nice! :D
Now, Two's reaction to wearing that outfit, on the other hand... *dies laughing*
OMG. I would . . . . have no objections to Two in such a look either . . . nope, none! ::fans self happily::
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Date: 2009-06-24 05:35 am (UTC)Sounds like a good idea.
. . . MY BRAAAAAAAAAAAAIN. ::steam sprays out of ears:: I'll . . . I'll save this thought-line until I SEE both stories?
Perhaps it's for the best, yes.
My hair can get a bit wavy (and sometimes as if it had a life of its own), but it never got to downright curly. Well, apart from that disastrous perm incident when I was 12, but I prefer not to remember that one.
OMG. I would . . . . have no objections to Two in such a look either . . . nope, none! ::fans self happily::
As for me, I'd have no objection to his face when forced to wear anything besides baggy trousers and suede shoes (or 18th century dresses :P).
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Date: 2009-06-24 09:54 am (UTC)My hair can get a bit wavy (and sometimes as if it had a life of its own), but it never got to downright curly. Well, apart from that disastrous perm incident when I was 12, but I prefer not to remember that one.
Ah, you're a lucky one then! My hair is quite thick & naturally INSANELY curly. I HATE IT so. When it's straightened, it doesn't feel so thick & I think, makes me look a little tiny bit prettier. & it's Polly-esque! (even though I was straightening it long before I met the Duchess!)
& hee, your perm incident reminds me of a primary school incident I had with my hair - for some reason, I randomly decided to cut the thickness out of it. According to the barbarian, I didn't cut any length off, just the thickness. I remember her discovering that the next morning when she was brushing my hair for school. & to this day, I don't really regret having done that! (to her, even NOW, my hair's practically sacred & she'll flip out if I talk of dyeing it or really getting a proper haircut.)
As for me, I'd have no objection to his face when forced to wear anything besides baggy trousers and suede shoes (or 18th century dresses :P).
Teehee! When I read that, I thought of how disappointed he seemed to be able to see his face IN his pair of suede shoes in The Macra Terror. Aww, Two. ::pets him::
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Date: 2009-06-24 09:36 pm (UTC)I wish my hair was thicker. Thin as it is, it's incredibly fragile - not to mention the fact that at the age of 17 I hit my hear on a drainpipe and as a result now have a huge silver lock at the back, which is the only part of my hair with some average thickness. No matter how I dye it, it always stands out from the rest.
Oh dear, now that's an inventive use of scissors. Kids always do that at some point (I did it as well), but it's usually the length that suffers, rather than the thickness.
When I read that, I thought of how disappointed he seemed to be able to see his face IN his pair of suede shoes in The Macra Terror.
Well, to give him a break, suede really is not supposed to do that. :P
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Date: 2009-06-20 02:37 pm (UTC)I LOVE SCOTTISH POEPLE.
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Date: 2009-06-20 02:46 pm (UTC)boyfriendcompanion - and the best companion EVER. Ten mentioned him once.no subject
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Date: 2009-06-22 04:53 am (UTC)The moment in Moonbase where Two realises the Cyberman is IN THE ROOM is chilling! I also like the little speech where he talks about fighting the evils of the universe.
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Date: 2009-06-22 07:44 am (UTC)The moment in Moonbase where Two realises the Cyberman is IN THE ROOM is chilling! I also like the little speech where he talks about fighting the evils of the universe.
YES & YES! A lovely speech by Two (who says some equally KICKASS things in The Macra Terror) & OMG FINDING THE CYBERMAN IN THE INFIRMARY. I do not lie, I got chills the very first time I saw that. It is a BRILLIANT scene. ::nods::