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riverdressesSummer rewatch-athons are love. & for my friends in the States, this month's DWM has a whole feature on the Second Doctor, as well as covering a bit of the final Big Finish stories for Charley Pollard. (I might try scanning/snapping the feature on Two for you all - it was a great read & of course, very well-timed for me! Next month, they'll be covering Three's era. ♥)
So on we go with the great & mighty Troughton rewatch-athon! This turn, it'll be The Macra Terror, The Faceless Ones, both of which are the final serials for Ben & Polly as Two's companions, & The Evil of the Daleks. which will introduce the lovely miss Victoria Waterfield as the next travelling companion for Two & Jamie.
Also, I'll be adding a slightly new feature to my recap of The Evil of the Daleks & for a few other serials in future recaps. Since![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
nentari was a very kind soul & shared with me the audios of several serials, The Evil of the Daleks being one of them, I'll be watching the recons of some serials, then listening to the audio versions of them, which I'll mention my impressions of - kind of like recapping a Big Finish audio in some ways!
(of course, for some, I only have the audio versions for, but I'll mention that when I get to them!)
Off we go!
The Macra Terror
- O! We have new opening credits for this story! ::bounces::
- Aww, Jamie's arming himself against the ugly beasties they saw on the scanner at the end of The Moonbase! Is it odd to say that I find that rather sweet? & I see Polly's still in her sweater from the same serial & she still looks lovely.
- CRAZY PEOPLE ATTACKING JAMIE! ::hits them with Jamie's wooden club:: But at least he & Ben were able to pull him off before anyone got hurt (again)!
- Hmm. The Two/Jamie clutching seems to have begin at this point of their travels . . .
- 'Well according to my calculations, we're um, certainly in the future and on a planet very much like the Earth.'
'How do you know?'
'I don't know, I'm guessing.'
::smothers giggles::
- Ooo, Polly eyeing cute alien men! ::laughs:: But she's quite right - he does look nice!
- O MY GOODNESS, AN INTERGALACTIC SPA!!! ::faints with pleasure:: & BEN BEING SHIRTLESS. ::collapses again:: I am so jealous of the four of them right now, I'm practically green! & teehee! Jamie's all 'CALL THE LASSIES OFF' & Ben's all 'OOO, GIRLS.' (& I'm going to just pretend I know for sure that Jamie's got no shirt on either . . . o, I'm having just as much fun as Polly is, I think.)
- 'Precisely - who wants to see their face in a pair of suede shoes?'
::gigglesnorts:: Two, you silly thing! (moments like this is why when I first met him, I decided Two would be the Doctor that I'd totally want to be BFF with, go swing dancing with in the thirties & make him teach me how to play the recorder.)
& YOU NAUGHTY MAN! Rumpling yourself like that after looking so beautiful! ::gives Two a bit of a loving smack::
- ::sighs over Jamie::miss Polly, I DO hope you're not flirting with him! Polly's given her thumbs-up approval & o, I can just imagine how fine Jamie must look after all of that fancy treatment he received!
(but Polly . . . what happened to your lovely locks?! Please don't tell me you cut them off!)
- Ooooo, a party for Two, Jamie, Ben & Polly? I WANT TO VISIT THIS PLANET!
- Mmm, but it's never all fun & games with the Doctor . . . he's got a few questions for Medok while the others have their fun.
(on a side note - this serial reminds me a LOT of the Eighth Doctor audio The Natural History of Fear right now. & that serial SCARED THE HELL OUT OF ME.)
- That was quite brave of Medok, to intervene on Two's behalf & at the cost of his own life, even.
- UM. Okay, now we're really getting into The Natural History of Fear territory here, with the colony altering Ben, Polly & Jamie's minds to think exactly like the colony & to be just like everyone in the colony, in order to deny the existence of the Macra.
- JAMIE TO THE RESCUE! ::hugs him:: But I'm afraid that he's too late - Ben looks to be under the influence already.
- Hmm. They seem to have already hypnotised Ben, Polly & possibly Jamie, but not Two!
- 'I think you've been listening to some very bad advice . . . don't do anything of the sort! Don't just be obedient! Always make up your own mind!'
(more) Words to live by, courtesy of the Second Doctor.
I think Two (& the Doctor overall, possibly) would appreciate the sentiment of 'I aim to misbehave.' Two, how so awesome?
- KICK SOME ASS, TWO! & Ben, snap the frak out of it! ::shakes him:: & don't you sass the Doctor like that! & O, thank goodness for Jamie - he's not under the influence! (& how CUTE does Jamie sound upon just waking up?) But sadly, Ben is.
- BEN, PLEASE, SNAP OUT OF IT!
- 'Violence will get you nowhere.'
- 'Leave him alone.'
'Get out of my way. That's an order.'
'I take orders from no one but the Doctor.'
Remember how I said Jamie's got loyalty in spades? Well there's more proof for you. Jamie doesn't back down from fighting for those he's given his loyalty to & he's given his loyalty& his heart to the Doctor. So don't fuck with him, or you'll be in for a fight.
- When Ben says 'I had to do my duty', he sounds a LOT like C'rizz, I think. & whoa Polly-girl, you're taking some big risks here! Be careful, please? & that said . . . FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT!
- Polly's seen the Macra! She's seen one!
- Polly might be drifting into screamer territory here, I'm not sure, but she's free at least. & even if I shouldn't like it a lot, I do like the fact that Ben was the one to save her. It makes my Ben/Polly shippy heart flap about happily. ::blushes::
- 'You have destroyed free nerve circuits, Doctor, you have burned them out. What have you to say?'
'Rather neat, don't you think? And so simple! I did it with this!'
'You admit it?'
'I'm proud of it!'
omgIheartTwosofuckingmuchomfg.
- The Controller reminds me frighteningly of the Editor in The Natural History of Fear. Frighteningly.
- That's right, Jamie, challenge some authority! Give 'em what for, bb!
- Two's so pretty when he laughs. ::kisses him::
- 'Aye, well, you don't send a lassie and an old man down to dig.'
'Old, what do you mean 'old'? I'm not old Jamie.'
theyaresofuckingmarriedevenbynowjesuschrist. ilutwo&jamie.
(I can even capslock about them anymore, they are THAT married & THAT slashtastic. Capslockery can't even fully render it!)
- UMF MORE TROUGHTON SEXINESS. I CANNOT EVEN DEAL. ::faints::
- 'The voices tell me what to do.'
'The voices may not be right, Ben.'
. . . . this feels like River-esque dialogue. Two/River, anyone?
- 'Hard for you to struggle against the voices, isn't it Ben? But I warn you - if you spy on the others watch out Jamie doesn't catch you. He's not so tolerant as I am.'
- 'They shouldn't make lassies do the work of men!'
JAMIE♥ But Polly will be okay, Ihope promise.
- LOLZ! ILU TWO. Eleven out of ten! ::grins::
- O YAY, BEN'S SNAPPING OUT OF IT! ::sigh of relief::
- O dear. Jamie appears to be surrounded on all sides by Macra. Two, think FASTER!
- Leave it to Two to get information in the best ways possible. (I'd capslock madly here, but I think not even CAPSLOCKERY could convey how much I love Two right now.)
- LET GO OF JAMIE YOU STUPID CRABBY THINGS!
- ::exhales:: Okay. He's good. ::breathes again::
- MY ICON!!! MY ICON'S CAP JUST APPEARED! ::flails:: [/random]
- . . . . Jamie. Dance. WHAT.omghighlandflingisn'tit? PUT HIM BACK IN HIS KILT BEFORE HE DOES ANY DANCING! & the BBC BURNT this serial?! YOU BASTARDS! Did they even THINK about how valuable such a serial could be?! even if he's not dancing in a kilt?! BASTARDS!
ASDFGHJKL;';LKJHGFDSA HE FUCKING DANCED THE HIGHLAND FLING & THEY FUCKING BURNT THIS SERIAL?! ::slams head into the wall:: I WOULD HAVE PAID MONEY TO SEE THAT.
::takes a few moments to recover::
Um, so, back to the story!
- Ugh, the way Two's described the Macra - as a disease within the colony - makes my insides shudder. Just . . . o, god.
- LOLZ JUST AS OLA'S BITCHING ABOUT TWO & POLLY STILL MISSING, THEY JUST CASUALLY STROLL IN. ::DIES:: It's so Marx Brothers!
- Polly & Jamie are challenging authority again! GO, GO!
- Jamie doesn't want to leave Two. ::wibblemeltdead:: His loyalty, my loves! I . . . I CANNOT EVEN DEAL. ::clings to Jamie::
- O.M.G. My whole icon is from this serial! & I have another one of Two from this serial as well - I should get that up sometime, since I need new Two & Jamie icons.
- 'Bad laws were made to be broken!'
People. Two IS the embodiment of aiming to misbehave. Mal would like him, I think.
twoyouarekindofmyfuckingherodoyouevenknowthat.
- 'I really don't know why I trust you Doctor.'
'Oh perhaps I've got an honest face.'
- Also, Two is very good at inciting others to stand up for themselves, take action & KICK ASS. Two >>>>>>>> EVERYTHING ELSE.
- O whoa, the gas sequence is fucking terrifying, honestly. Just fucking terrifying.
- BEN IS BACK IN ACTION! ::tackles him::
(& I note that Ben calls Two 'Doc' a few times - I wonder if Two minds, like One did.)
- HEE! Two's HAT! Silly little fellow. ::giggles::
- 'Take a leaf out of Jamie's book - give them old dance routine!'
AWWWWWW!
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& that's it for The Macra Terror, folks! & I have to say, I REALLY loved this serial - Ben & Polly still had things to do in it, but Jamie remained awesome nonetheless. & Two . . . well, I'm kind of out of adjectives & keysmashes to really say how much I loved Two in it, so I'll just say that he was as wonderful as ever! TWO IS AWESOME. & so are Jamie & Polly! (don't worry, I'll most likely get back to liking Ben in his last serial; just give me time to remember that he's not so evil.)
The Faceless Ones
(for this serial & one half of The Evil of the Daleks, I'll be supplementing parts with my Lost in Time DVDs. So off we go! & I've got to say, I've really missed watching Doctor Who on DVD.)
- So after The Macra Terror it seems like a fair bit of time has passed between that adventure & the beginning of this one.
- What IS it with the Doctor managing to rematerialise the TARDIS at airports? Five rematerialises in Heathrow Airport in Time-Flight & Two does it here at Gatwick Airport! Does the TARDIS herself have a fetish for aeroplanes?
- 'It's a flying beastie!'
OMG JAMIE BB, YOU ARE SO SWEET. ::kisses his head:: & look, still grabbing onto Two!
- HEE! I love the way everyone runs out of the TARDIS, only to get caught by airport coppers. ::giggle::
- 'Scatter!'
& everyone runs like hell & BEN FALLS OVER! ::dies::
& also, Polly & Jamie don't do scattering very well, as they just run right off with Two & abandon Ben!
(also, that's one of my favourite Two moments of EVER.)
- Well, Ben got away & Jamie & Two are hidingtogether behind the wheels of an aeroplane.
'Jamie! Come over here with me. Come on!'
heeheesomarried.
- POLLY! O, the Duchess has her long & lovely locks back after sporting a pixie 'do in The Macra Terror! That's how one can surmise that it's been a bit of time between the two. & I LOVE her coat, skirt & go-go boots! (I've a pair just like hers. complete with scuff marks.) Mod queen, yes indeed. & also, how lovely does she look when she appears on her own for the first time in this serial? Polly-girl, I wish I had your pretty!
- Polly just saw a man killed! Thank goodness they didn't see her!
- 'Doctor I've just seen a man killed!'
'By one of the beasties?'
(& I love watching her run in her boots. She does it v. well & she looks so lovely. ::sighs dreamily::)
My poor girl, she's had a hell of a time. ::snuggles her::
- I like how Jamie's comforting Polly, but I have a feeling it was Ben who was really supposed to be doing that.
- I like the . . . assessment the two creepy murderer-types make of the Doctor.
- FUCKERS GET YOUR HANDS OFF OF MY POLLY!!
& Two & Jamie go on a loving stroll through the airport, awww.
- Bastards. Let Polly go & stop interrogating her! ::glares:: But Two & Jamie are looking for her already!
- I love Jamie's sense of wonderment at everything around him - he looks so awed & lost & confused, but he looks so fascinated through all of it. Jamie has a beautiful sense of wonderment.
- Hee! Two keeps elbowing Jamie to make him shut up & WTF WHY DOES NO ONE CARE THAT A MAN IS SCREAMING ABOUT A DEAD BODY IN THE DAMN AIRPORT?!
- & WTF BEN DON'T GO IN THERE! BEN, GET OUT OF THERE!& stop looking cute, it's distracting!
- 'He was electrocuted with a ray gun.'
::gets elbowed by Two::
LOLZ! Two KEEPS elbowing Jamie & it is SO freaking cute. ::pets the both of them::
- JESUS, SOMEBODY, JUST LISTEN TO TWO, OKAY?! DEAD BODY IN YOUR AIRPORT, WHO THE FRAK CARES ABOUT PASSPORTS, THERE ARE DEAD PEOPLE LYING ABOUT!
- . . . Processed? My Polly? I do NOT like the sound of that.
- Two & Jamie are snappy at finding evidence, even in the smallest things & the smallest things. & ooo, Jamie's feisty to get in someone's face like that. ::sighs gleefully:: Feisty!Jamie is always pleasing!
- Polly-girl! She's alive! ::clings:: But . . . WTF OF COURSE YOU'RE POLLY! What did they do to you, Duchess?!
- & what the FUCK is that thing?!
- Okay, second ep & back in recon mode now. Polly, WHAT is wrong with you?! Pleasepleaseplease, REMEMBER who you are! What did they DO to you?!
- 'Jamie, I don't think we're very welcome here. When I say run, we run.'
♥♥
- UGH. Whoever did the subtitles for this should be slapped - GREEN TEXT?! How the hell am I supposed to decipher this?
- That . . . that thing is just hideous - it looks like KFC!Master from The Deadly Assassin.
- Ben's hiding in a photobooth!Too bad Polly's not with him, heehee.
- 'You don't want to believe everything you see, Jamie.'
So maybe it wasn't Polly, but a clone? O, please be so - I don't want to think of my Duchess being turned against her own friends!
& once again, more of the Marx Brothers touch, with Two & Jamie hiding behind newspapers!
- 'What do they mean by 'budget'?'
'Inexpensive, cheap.'
. . . . .
'Do you know what a chameleon is, Jamie?'
'It's just a name I suppose.'
'A name of a small animal, a lizard, that can change its colour to merge with its background. But it's a name that can also equally be applied to people as well. People who change their personalities to suit their own ends.'
I liked this exchange because I thought it was a good example of both Jamie assimilating information on his own, as well as the Doctor explaining something he doesn't understand very well, but without it being dull or complicated - it being actually essential to the plot, not just added in.
- YES, BEN'S CAUGHT UP TO TWO & JAMIE! ::waves pompoms::
- UGH, UGH, UGH, those creatures are creeping me out! & wait - Two said it might not have been Polly they saw. Is one of these creatures what they saw, just with Polly's face & voice? If so, then Polly's alright, they just need to find her!
I hope she's okay.
- Now this . . . Polly-shape is working for Chameleon Tours? No, I refuse to believe this is the real Polly Wright; it's one of those faceless clone things. I won't believe this to be Polly, I just won't! But maybe it is Polly . . . her slip-ups just said a lot in a very few words.
I . . . I'm lost. I just want Polly to be okay!
- LOLZ NOW ALL THREE OF THEM ARE HIDING IN THE PHOTOBOOTH! ::snorts:: & I love Jamie being all 'What's a photograph?' & OMG YOU THREE ARE SUCH DORKS! ::giggles madly:: & hee, Jamie's all scowly & 'Meh, I don't know what the hell's going on here.'
- Gah, I'm just as puzzled as Two is about Polly. But I stand by my theory - it ISN'T Polly, but a clone or some such, but with her mind or something.
- Randomly, I love the image of Jamie wandering around in an airport; I think it's very lovely. Makes me think of the Radiohead songs Let Down & The Tourist. (even more randomly, people wandering about in airports usually make me think of their song Exit Music (For A Film))
- Ah, now we have the introduction of Samantha, with a really silly hat on. & equally funny hair. But she looks SO much better without her hat on! & aww, Jamie offering to help her - he's such a gentleman, isn't he? His manners are really quite impeccable.
- TWO YOU CRAZY BITCH! ::ruffles his hair up like mad:: ILU HONEY.
- OMG, BEN FOUND OUR POLLY-GIRL! Ben, I love you I love you! ::hugs him:: & ARGH, Polly is absolutely frightening whenever she's hypnotised - it's her huge eyes, I think. Dude, Anneke Wills plays hypnosis SO fucking well; I can't remember seeing it done better. I mean, she literally scares me.
- O FUCKERY & CRUMBS, THEY HAVE BEN TOO! ::panics:: No, NOT after he found Polly, NO!
- Two gets described as 'scruffy' & in a frock coat. I kind of like that. ♥
- Hee, Samantha seems to be flirting with Jamie.Sweetheart, he's taken. Try elsewhere.
- HAH! Jamie's catching on now & he's showing his own intelligence now - go you Jamie!
- Moving back into my DVD supplements, we enter the third story! & JEEZE, FINDING ALL THESE PEOPLE IN CRATES IS SERIOUSLY DISTURBING.
- & where the last story ended, Two's seemed to attract some sort of freezing gas - he's got icicles forming on his face!
& frankly, it don't look like ice to me. But to say any more would be rude & unladylike. ::halo::
- YES! Two played possum & m'dear Doctor got something he could use! I'm with Jamie - I wish I had his brain.
(& rather amusingly, albeit, in a childish way, as soon as I hit pause on my DVD player to get this down, it paused right on a shot of Two's rather lovely backside. Hey, you can't fault me entirely; Patrick Troughton had a very nice backside!Mmm, remind me to cap this & a bit of The Moonbase plz.)
- UMF PAT'S HAIR IN THE NEXT SCENE! (don't ask, he looks even more lovely with it all damp & just . . . yes. HUSH.) YES, THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT THING TO MENTION OKAY. GAH, I SO NEED TO CAP THIS.
- 'Do you always do everything you're told?'
'No! But the Doctor trusts me.'
O, JAMIE. ::falls over on her pink bed::
- Pat, STOP.LOOKING.SO.DAMN.GORGEOUS. I CANNOT THINK STRAIGHT!
(o, hush, these are my recaps, I shall fangirl as I please, thankyouverymuch! ::giggles::)
- Two, KICK SOME ARSE, BB! ::snogs him:: Seriously - just when I think Two can't get any more awesome, HE PROVES ME SO WRONG.
- Samantha & Jamie don't make too bad of a detective team, I must say. & Jamie holding & comforting her - 'Brave wee lassie - no time to grieve now.'
brb, falling in love with Jamie.
- LOLZ JAMIE DON'T LIKE SAMANTHA SNUGGLING UP TO HIM. ::gigglesnorts::
- WTF THEY'RE GOING TO BLOW UP TWO? I say again, WTF?!
- I adore Two's sweet little smile - makes me all weak in the knees, I'll admit it. ::blushes:: Two, Three, Four & Eight have that power over me.
- Ah, I ♥ watching Two & Jamie at work on their own - they make such a kickass pair, even if you don't ship them. Easily one of my favourite Doctor & companion team-ups, as well as being one of my OTPs. But even if they weren't, I'd love them anyway.
- Backing into recon mode now for the fourth story . . . okay, the vanishing passengers reminds me a little of Battle Royale, or rather, the scene on the bus, where the whole class is put to sleep with sleeping gas & taken to the island for the game.
- 'I'll not leave him.'
'You have five seconds to change your mind.'
'You'll have to kill me then.'
omyfuckingchristjamiehowsoloyal&amazingbb?
- O, damn. He got the three of them good! (but Two & Jamie look so pretty unconscious. & Jamie could be staring up at the stars.)
- They're paralysed! & Jamie's concern is for Samantha when he comes around! He really is a gentleman, isn't he.
- JAMIE! ::fans self rather fast:: Okay, could have used a warning there: 'WARNING: MAJOR SEXINESS WILL COME ACROSS YOUR SCREEN. DO NOT PANIC.'
- I kind of like Samantha - she's pretty feisty herself! & yes, she is a very brave girl - she would have made an interesting companion, I think. But I find her a bit grating too, for some reason.
- I have to say, this serial is overall a hugely creepy one. Not so much because of the monsters, but the plot itself. ::shivers::
- Jamie McCrimmon! You picked a lassie's purse! Naughty, naughty! But v. noble, I will admit. ::smiles::
- JAMIE ON A PLANE. Or if you like, Jamie's away on a jet plane! ::giggle:: But o, the poor sweetling has what I always panic about getting on an aeroplane - air sickness! ::holds Jamie:: But . . . I think his air sickness just came in handy, I daresay . . .
- Ah, Jamie, darling, you're alright! Now stay like that & kick ass!
- Stealth!Jamie!Yum! Awesome!
- O GOD, MINIATURISED HUMANS?!THE TCE IS AT WORK I SEE. & YOU BITCHES TAKE YOUR HANDS OFF JAMIE!
- O, SNAP! YOU HAVE JUST BEEN SERVED BITCH. ::snaps fingers:: Two FOR THE FUCKING WIN.
- Wow. Two's ruthless streak is showing & DAMN is it sexy.
- Gah, Two's losing his companions faster than a melting scoop of ice cream!
- They tied Jamie to a chair . . . . that's not so bad . . . .
- Two, PLEASE, you can't go on that flight! Please! The plan you have seems sound, but please, it's too dangerous!
- Umf, Sneaky!Two . . . umf.umf.UMF. More of that voice please, Two. PLEASE!
- My GOD. WHAT IN FUCK HAVE YOU ALIEN BASTARDS DONE TO JAMIE?! WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU DONE TO HIM?! O, somebody is so in for a classic Two-style bitch smacking when he sees what they've done to Jamie.
- 'Most intelligent race in the galaxy?' O, BULLSHIT. You bitches just MET someone from THE most intelligent race in the galaxy. SO THERE. You can say that AFTER you master time travel & the delicacies of space & time, clear?
- LOLZ, TWO SAYS THEY'RE ON THE LIST. ::gigglesnorts::
- Okay, Samantha would have made a pretty kickass companion I think - was it possible they were planning to make her one?
- TWO, ILU. ::kisskisskiss::
- Man, this last story is really making me tense - I'm practically biting my nails!
- YOU HAVE JUST BEEN SERVED, BITCHES. ::claps hands with glee::
- Okay, I'm biting my lips now, I'm so tense! I LOVE THIS SERIAL, even if the recon is rather disappointing. But this is like a serial that I need to be gripping someone's hand during!
- OMG JAMIE'S IN THE CLOSET! ::DIES:: (o hush, he IS in a closet; it HAD to be said!)
- O, Jamie, Ben & Polly are safe! ::exhales::
- Ah, back on Earth! But the sadness is coming, I can feel it . . .
- Aww, I love Sam's farewell to Jamie - SHE KISSED HIM?! OMG! ::scandalised:: But aww, she really had a thing for him, I guess. ♥
- POLLY! ::HUGS HER TIGHT::
- July 20th, 1966 - the day Ben & Polly began & ended their journey with the Doctor.
I remember discussing withnentari, back when I recapped The War Machines, about One telling Dodo about a strange feeling he had when they arrived in 1966, 'something he only felt when Daleks were nearby' as he tells her, that his feeling could have been because, on that very day, his future self & companion were indeed near Daleks, or at least, the Daleks were near them. I remember saying something like how it was 'very interesting that two of the Doctor's regenerations were so very close to each other' & 'how it makes me think of all the times you don't see the Doctor almost meeting himself'. She said that The Two Doctors could be seen as a case of that (I think she did, I'm sorry if I'm not remembering right, love!). But now that I've seen both stories, I'd have to say that it is a pretty close call for the Doctor - granted, one's at Gatwick Airport, the other is probably a few miles away, but it still could have easily been a breaking of the first law of time, wouldn't it? (& that probably would have meant that the ending of The War Games could have happened a lot sooner.)
I actually did get a little teary-eyed when Ben & Polly said their farewells to Two & Jamie. I thought it was beautifully well-done & I could feel how much Two & Jamie would miss them both, & they them. Ben & Polly were some of the finest companions to ever stand inside the TARDIS, I think.
& Polly-girl . . . I'll miss her beautiful smile & her kindness to everyone around her. & I'll even miss Ben's snappy little tongue & sharp witticisms. But Polly was right - it was their world & their time. It was time for them to return to their lives before they met the strange, funny little man in a blue police box. Like Ian & Barbara before them, they had some fantastic adventures with the Doctor, but wanted to eventually return to their own time & place.
(& like Ian & Barbara before them, they'll lead a happy life with each other.)
To Ben Jackson & Polly Wright - best companions & after all of that, loves. ::toasts::
(o, allow me my sap, okay?)
& now, it's up to Two & Jamie to find the TARDIS & sail on, throughout time & space.
(who the hell would steal a bloody old police box?)
The Evil of the Daleks
- Okay, so at the end of The Faceless Ones, Two tells Jamie that the TARDIS, apparently, has been stolen. (& I say again, who the hell would want to steal a bloody old police box?)
- Aiiee, Jamie & Two are running after it now! & the music being played during that bit makes me think of old Charlie Chaplin films.
- I love Two explaining 'TARDIS' as a Gaelic word. & Jamie not enjoying being called a foreigner. Teehee.
- Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but was The Evil of the Daleks the first serial for Two & Jamie to be on their own as a team for the most part?
- LOLZ JAMIE IN A TAXI. (sorry, it just makes me giggle.)
- & here is Edward Waterfield, the lady Victoria's father, selling Victorian timepieces.
- Jamie's clutching Two while learning about trains. Aww.
- 'It's so little, Jamie. It's too little to go on, Jamie.'
'Now don't give up, Doctor. Remember Bruce.'
'Bruce?'
'Robert Bruce.'
♥♥♥♥
They keep each other going, no matter how small a chance they have. O, Two. O, Jamie.
- Hmm. I know a few things about this serial . . . & yet Edward Waterfield is greatly confusing me, nevertheless.
- That picture of Jamie's quite pretty. [/shallowness]
- 'This is his assistant & secretary, Mr James McCrimmon.'
. . . an interesting description of Jamie, I must say. ::giggles::
- O, if I remember right, there's a song I should know playing soon in this scene, but I'm not sure. & teehee, I wonder how Jamie liked being in a coffee shop!
- OMG JAMIE, STARING AT TARTAN MINISKIRTS! ::tickles him:: Saucy little thing, aren't you?
'If only the laird could see that . . . '
& YES, I WAS RIGHT! I'm pretty sure it's Paperback Writer by the Beatles, but I'm not totally sure.
- 'Jamie, I'm being stared at. Is there something wrong with me?'
'You mean up here Doctor?'
'Is my hair in disarray?'
'No more than usual.'
'Do I look strange, bizarre?'
'Aye, well maybe I'm just used to you.'
'Well, that's some comfort.'
SO.FUCKING.MARRIED. DON'T EVEN TRY & DENY IT, PEOPLE.
- O SHIT HERE COME THEDRUMS DALEKS! ::dives behind the couch::
- Supplementing with my DVDs for the second story . . . . & like I said above, SHIT, HERE COME THE DALEKS! & with them, they bring our first death in the story. O dear.
- Meanwhile, Jamie & Two have arrived at Edward Waterfield's antiquary, an hour early. & all genuine Victorian antiques? But brand new at the same time? I like Jamie's idea, but I'll go with Two - you want to know, you've got to ask.
- Sorry guys, but Daleks, even Classic!Daleks, give me a chill down the spine when they declare their lives the only important ones in existence.
- Random fashion note: Jamie's not got his knife or sporran yet, but he has his kilt pin in. I've never known what those are for; I don't think they're for keeping it on.
- Wow, Jamie & Two seem to get subdued by way of gas a lot in their past few serials, or at least Two & one of his companions do!
- Now where are they? They woke up in some fancy, pretty parlour - on June 2nd, 1866?! Without the TARDIS . . . wow. & that is a lot longer than I thought Victoria was from, actually - I had her pegged as being from the late 1880s.
- Ah, our first glance at the truly beautiful miss Victoria Waterfield! However, I do not like her being menaced or imprisoned by stupid tin pepperpots! The poor girl. Even now, I just want to hug her.
- I'm a bit silly, perhaps, but Victoria has a very handsome father. ::girlish blush::
- The first time I saw this serial, I was immediately reminded of the Big Finish audio The Time of the Daleks, an Eight & Charley audio where mirrors are used by Daleks as a means of travelling through time if I remember right, erasing the memory of Shakespeare in the process.
- O.M.G. Pat just The Head Turn™. The head turn & look he does when the Dalek first enters the room. From the very first time I saw that scene in one of the best fanvids I've ever seen in any fandom, I fell so.damn.hard. for that man. He just looks so . . . o, I couldn't even say! He just made it look so . . . sensual, I suppose? I DON'T KNOW. IT HAS AN EFFECT ON ME, OKAY?
(& I may have tried to practise that sort of head turn & look myself . . . but really, I think you need to be Patrick Troughton to do that. ::giggles::)
- NO! NO, YOU WILL NOT USE JAMIE FOR YOUR TEST SUBJECTS!! You stupid, overblown, egotistic pepperpots! You lay a plunger on him & Two will rip out your eyestalks.
- 'What have you done with your infernal meddling?!'
He's absolutely terrified for Jamie, & what they will do to him. I can feel that anger & the terror.
(& I have a horrible feeling he's remembering Susan now. & if not Susan, Katarina. Both of whom he lost in different ways because of the Daleks, as I see it. & to even have the possibility of Jamie being next on that list must be so horrifying for him. First his granddaughter, then a companion, nowhis boyfriend another companion.)
- O, Jamie's been roused accidentally by Molly! Aww, the darling looks so sweet half-awake, I think. His poor head!
- In a way, Jamie's just seen Victoria for the first time, hasn't he, by seeing her late mother's portrait. & he thought her very beautiful. I . . . I'm looking forward to him meeting the young miss Waterfield, I must admit.
- Um, Jamie, love, you might want to turn around & shout . . . . no! Kidnapping Jamie & hurting Molly? No!
- 'Everything you say, Waterfield, is true. If we cannot find Jamie, the Daleks will take great pleasure in killing everyone in sight. And their greatest pleasure will be in killing me.'
I ♥ Patrick Troughton's delivery of those lines. His expression, his voice - it's just bang-on perfect for that scene. Another reason I love his era so much - he was such an incredibly talented actor & no matter what the scene is, he'll always hook me & get me completely lost in the story.
- Okay, back to recon mode for the third story . . . goodness, the Doctor is a lovely detective, isn't he? & what do these horrible people want with Jamie?
- Aww, Two checking on Jamie's head. Love!
- I'm quite worried for Victoria - stuff this 'not being exterminated' business, I don't trust a Dalek at all.
- The lovely, brave Jamie McCrimmon - how dare you slander him like that! Jamie's a bloody saint compared to Maxtible in my opinion.
- Hmm, at this point, do the Daleks know that the Doctor is a Time Lord? They seem to know that he's more than human, but do they know he's a Time Lord?
- His 'trial' is to rescue Victoria?
- 'I don't care for insolence.'
'Well I'm not keen on arrogance myself!'
But yet, Jamie's better than a petty verbal scrap & apologises. O, sigh!
- O, Jamie's so kind to Molly, he really is. & I love how he gently insists that she call him by his first name. JAMIE, WHY ARE YOU MAKING YOURSELF SO ENDEARING?!
- 'You have to brush up on your history. I can't be around to cover for you all the time!'
::giggles:: They act so married, don't they? Even so early on, they're totally OTP & it's so lovely to watch.
- The Doctor watched the charge of the Light Brigade during the Crimean War. I love how oddly nostalgic he seems about it all.
- O my! Jamie & Two are having their first big row! & Jamie's in possession of a sharp tongue & a hot temper when he's of the mind to be in one! & Jamie's storming off in a fit of temper - he's quite hot-blooded when in the mood, isn't he? I haven't seen him so angry before!
- O, stupid Betsy! ::hits self:: Two engineered the row between himself & Jamie, you should have known! He knows what's in Jamie's nature & he knows that helping Victoria is one of those things! O, very good, Doctor! (but I do hope you didn't make Jamie genuinely angry at you.)
- Eee! Molly's slipping Jamie plans of the house!
- Wow. Jamie has got the stealth! When he sets his mind to doing something, he'll really do it, won't he?
- WHY COULDN'T THE FOURTH STORY HAVE SURVIVED, I WOULD HAVE ENJOYED WATCHING JAMIE IN A FIGHT. ::pouts:: MOAR WARRIOR!JAMIE PLZ.
- OMG HE'S GOT A SWORD. ::fans self:: A SWORD.
- The sight of a Dalek with a handkerchief is rather giggleworthy. A lacy handkerchief, no less!
- 'If you want the human factor, a part of it must include mercy.'
Two just pwned some Daleks right there. ::grins::
- I'm feeling horribly awful for Victoria's father - he sounds like he's slowly reaching his breaking point now.
- Jamie's befriending of Kemel is rather touching, I find. & they both have a common goal - to find & free miss Victoria. Jamie's such a darling, I feel like I can't say it enough.
- Jamie's just had his first look at Victoria. & he finds her 'very beautiful'. ♥♥
- Maxtible's reasoning of Dalek nature is . . . disturbingly naive at best.
- O MY! Jamie McCrimmon just took down a Dalek! With help yes, BUT HE TOOK DOWN A FUCKING DALEK! See? I TOLD you he brings the badassery in monochrome! ::grins::
- & WHAT THEY DID IT AGAIN. Jamie = BADASS.
- Yay, they've got to Victoria!
- I love how he introduces himself, then says he came to give her back her hankie. How very gallant of him! ::heart melts::
- 'I am a professor of a far wider academy, of which human nature is merely a part. All forms of life interest me.'
Space beatniks FTW.
- O, Jamie's sharing his story over water with miss Victoria. & Jamie & Victoria are forming their own ideas as to how all of this came about. Victoria's a bright girl, I can see this already! She'll be a fast learner, I know it.
- MAXTIBLE! That BASTARD. He lured Victoria into the Daleks' trap! ::growls::
- More Warrior!Jamie! ::swoons:: & MORE SWORDS! & YELLING, OMG. ::collapses::
- 'Look, I'm telling you this. You and me - we're finished! You're just too callous for me. Anything goes by the board, anything at all!'
'That's just not true Jamie. I've never held that the end justifies the means.'
'Och, words, what do I care about words! You don't give that much for a living soul except yourself!'
'I care about life. I care about human beings. Do you think I let you go through that Dalek test lightly?'
'I don't know. Did you? Look, Doctor, just who's side are you on?'
O.my.goodness. Two & Jamie practically broke up right there. & o, really, it's something, you need to hear, but when he says he cares for human life, you can practically hear him thinking 'I care about you, Jamie.' I mean, you can practically hear it in his voice. That was a fairly intense row for the two of them & was very close to a breakup, almost.
- LOLZ THE DALEKS ARE LITERALLY PLAYING WITH TWO! ::dies laughing:: & WHEE, TWO'S RIDING DALEKS!
- OMG DALEKS PLAYING TRAINS. ::DIES AGAIN:: & the Doctor's all dizzy! ::is dying:: I FUCKING LOVE THIS.
- Alpha, Beta, Omega - HE NAMED THE DALEKS! HE NAMED THE DALEKS & HE'S MAKING FRIENDS WITH THEM, OMG.
- Maxtible is a mad, greedy, easily duped fool. That is all. ::glares::
- 'Don't worry Kemel. I shall protect you. I shall see they do you no harm.'
Victoria, you sweetheart. ♥♥♥
- So Jamie & the Doctor are on Skaro - I wonder if the Doctor will ever tell Jamie he's been there before.
- AWWW, CUTE & SWEET DALEKS ARE BACK. (wtfIjustcalledadalekcute&sweetwtf.)
- Aww, hi, Omega! ::waves at Dalek Omega::
- THEY WERE TRICKED! It wasn't Omega!
- ::hugs Victoria tightly::
- If I remember my history right, this serial was the first time an Emperor Dalek was introduced to the Doctor. (I believe it was because Terry Nation wanted to take the Daleks away from Doctor Who & get them their own show, but the plans for that fell through, so they came back five years later, during Three's era)
- RECORDER COMES OUT! ::beams::
- What I said before - Maxtible is a mad & easily duped fool. & I will keep saying that until someone kills him!
- Aww, Victoria has some time with her father after all of this.
- ::gasp::
The Doctor just said if he had no other option, he would try & take them all to his own planet, if not another universe, & told Victoria he was from a planet a long way from Earth. I know it isn't the first time he's done that (& that Gallifrey won't be named til Sarah Jane's first serial), but still - a bit of a surprise!
- O . . . I think . . . the Daleks just turned Maxtible into a Dalek! They want to make humans into Daleks - the Dalek factor. (so Daleks in Manhattan wasn't the first time the Daleks tried to create human Daleks or use humans to achieve their ends. But there, it just may not have been done so well as it was here.)
- NO! NO! THEY COULDN'T - THEY COULDN'T HAVE MADE THE DOCTOR INTO A DALEK HIMSELF! NO! Please, no!
- Wait . . . NO! He ISN'T a Dalek! He was just faking it! O, thankyou. ::exhales::
- I note that in this serial, Jamie's faith in Two seems to be shaken up quite often, as well as his trust. He argues with him & doesn't even know if he can trust him at this point. It's an interesting turning point I think - for Jamie to actually question his own faith in, & trust of the Doctor. I don't think I've ever seen him do so in later serials. I mean, he does get a bit snappy sometimes, & doesn't always obey Two (like in The Mind Robber), but I don't think I've ever seen his feelings about the Doctor so shaken up before. I also find it an interesting little short place to explore their relationship in the aftermath of this serial in a shippers' context - how far was Jamie's faith in him shaken, in a shippy way?
(of course this could be all me spouting about nothing but things I merely imagined, & it probably is. You know me - always seeing patterns in things that aren't there.)
- Two's teaching the Daleks to QUESTION. To QUESTION THEIR EMPEROR. To THINK FOR THEMSELVES.
Like he told Polly in The Macra Terror - always make up your own mind.
- O no . . . Edward Waterfield saved Two's life, but at the expense of his own life . . . & Two's promised to look after Victoria.
- & the Daleks have questioned. & done their own thinking. & DESTROYED the emperor - as well as most of Skaro, it looks like.
- 'We're not going to leave her - she's coming with us!'
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Wow. Now that was an epic, intense ride of a story! & I actually really enjoyed it, even though the recon wasn't the best, sadly. I think Victoria was wonderfully introduced & I found her rather brave in the face of everything she went through. She will make an excellent companion because of that. I think I'll enjoy watching Jamie fall in love with her - I do ship Jamie/Victoria too, mind you!
& my thoughts on listening to the original audio of The Evil of the Daleks.
The Evil of the Daleks; audio version
Stories one through three
- I'm really enjoying listening to the audio of this story, even more than watching it. It reminds me of being a little girl & listening to Gulliver's Travels & Alice in Wonderland on tape & clinging to every word being read out loud to me. The narration isn't particularly distracting for me; in fact, it fills in a gap here or there that the recon had (Two building a little something with sugar cubes whilst Jamie dodges flirty girls in short plaid miniskirts, for one thing). & plus, I've grown so used to listening to audios for different Doctors that I have no problem visualising what's going on in my head, even though I've already seen the recon. (but what I've seen in the recons isn't what I'm seeing when I listen to the audio itself)
- I also found that I'm picking up one thing in the audios that I didn't quite fully pick up on when I watched the recon - Edward Waterfield's uneasiness with the differences in twentieth century language & nineteenth-century language. I did note in the recon that he has a bit of trouble remembering to use one term in place of another (he refers to having paid Kennedy 'fifty guineas' when he actually means 'fifty pounds', which Kennedy calls him on politely), refers to the coffee bar as a 'coffee shop' & other small linguistic anachronisms.
(but hmm, the 'coffee bar' & 'coffee shop' slip intrigues me - in the States, we call them coffee shops or coffee houses; I can't remember hearing them referred to as 'coffee bars' - is this a British term for coffee shops & coffee houses, or was it what they were referred to as in the sixties in the UK?)
Anyway, linguistic issues aside, in the audio, I'm picking up on Edward Waterfield's discomfort in being a hundred years out of his own time that I didn't pick up as fast on when I was watching the recon.
- I know I've probably fangirled enough in my recaps this week, but may I just say that I really quite enjoy listening to Patrick Troughton's voice? SUCH A NICE VOICE, FOR REAL. (I'm not recapping these like recons; I'm just laid out on my bed & listening to them on the stereo, then typing all of this up after I finish one - it's pretty comfy!Umf, just wait til I get to The Enemy of the World.)
Stories four through five
- I ♥♥♥ listening to the audio of Jamie & Kemel's fight, & with a good narration! It made a lot more sense than it did when I first watched it in the recon & I found it a lot more gripping to listen to! Also, as I said in my initial recap of the serial, I quite liked the bond that Jamie formed with Kemel after they each saved each other's lives - it makes more sense & has a stronger impact when I listen to it, than when it did when I just watched the recon. It's very sweet & I also get a better sense of Kemel's fondness for Victoria, which, while I did get whilst watching, I got a stronger feeling of after hearing it.
- I hadn't realised that Maxtible had been intending to shoot Edward Waterfield in the back when I watched the recon. This makes him even more of a mad fool than I thought, as well as a coward. He really does have no redeemable qualities whatsoever. Honestly, I find him just barely different than a Dalek by now. As Two would say, he is a man who holds that the end justifies the means. & I still find his blind, greedy motivations behind trusting the Daleks to be foolishly & dangerously naive at best, ruthless & no different than a Dalek's main overall objection at worst.
- & I'll never fail to be impressed by the fact that Jamie McCrimmon, in his first real meeting with the Daleks, manages to take one out with nothing but a bit of rope, some help from a friend & some serious ingenuity. Four stars, Jamie. Four shining, northern stars for you!
- Make that two Daleks, one being a totally unexpected!Dalek. ::grins::
- I also hadn't realised that Edward Waterfield had intended to knock Two senseless with the metal bar when I watched the recon. Nor Two's speedy response to almost being knocked out.
- & honestly, listening to Jamie get into fights rather than watching them . . . ::crumples to the floor:: I'd take the aural over the visual, I think. O yes.
Stories six through seven
- Listening to Two's glee over the Daleks playing trains is the cutest thing to ever hear. SO ADORABLE!
- O, he didn't write their names in Romanticised Greek, he wrote the actual Greek letter! I thought he wrote their initial, or their full names out, but apparently not.
- I wonder - Maxtible's bargain with the Daleks; to learn how to change metal into gold & Edward Waterfield saying that Maxtible's sold himself to the Daleks - I find that to be something of a Faustian bargain on some level, myself. Maxtible has sold himself for a secret thousands of people before him would have died to know - transmutating metal into gold - to something so purely evil as the Daleks, much in the way (but perhaps more metaphorically) that Faust sold his soul for immortality. Maxtible may not have sold his soul per se, but nevertheless, I see his 'arrangement' with the Daleks as a rather Faustian one.
Also, his desire to know the secret of turning metal to gold - if he'd been able to do such & take it back to Earth - would have given him a form of immortality, making the whole arrangement even more Faustian.
- Victoria, despite her own inner fear, speaks quite bravely. But I don't find her words hollow at all. I find them both solid & comforting, for her & Kemel.
- Interesting - at first, Victoria doesn't seem to fully grasp the concept that she is on another planet - she just seems to understand that she's been taken from Maxtible's house. But later, when she hears that there are other humans in the city, she seems to have developed a much better grasp of her situation & doesn't seem as slightly naive as she did when she awoke on Skaro. (however, her naivety is of course forgiveable; she's a nineteenth-century girl who would not understand the concept of space travel, nor should she expected to be. I certainly would not have expected her to at least.)
- Victoria's fast learning seems to be showing up as the story moves along, at least to me. Essentially, all of the naivety she seemed to have when she first appears is completely gone, replaced by a spark of, dare I say, anger, & of worry for the others. But she's understanding things by now, far better than she did when she arrived in the second story. & she's getting upset & I think, a bit angry now, at everything that's happening around her & especially at Maxtible. (good girl!)
- Listening to the Emperor Dalek lay out Two's role in his plan, is incredibly frightening to hear. I actually found myself getting chills during the very last bit of the sixth story.
- Two's playing his recorder & playing a lovely tune as well. & I do so love Jamie's snappy, razor sharp tongue.
- I find Two's little discussion with Victoria to be very sweet & a very kind bit, for some reason. Not sure why, but I do. It just shows Two's gentle side, I think. Not that we haven't seen such a side before from him, but I think it's a nice thing to show, when he's under so much pressure & is trying to think of a solution to the immense problem before him.
- Okay, I had NOT picked up on this part in the recon - Maxtible's hypnotising of the Doctor! I can't believe I didn't get that when I watched it! But nevertheless, that's how they got him to walk through the archway & made him into a Dalek of sorts! I HAVE NO WORDS. I just have no words as to how low a creature Maxtible is. (yes, it is after he's been made into a Dalek, I know, but still; how low could that bastard have gone?)
- I just realised the only thing I've been confused by in this last story - Two was never a Dalek at all, was he? He was just faking it so he could save the others & throw a wrench in the Daleks' big plan, wasn't he? I can't believe how stupid I could have been as to not even get that, twice. Stupid girl!
- Okay, some of you who read this may kill me for saying this, but the Daleks making the other Daleks walk through the archway, when Two has basically fucked up the circuitry, is a lot like what Ten does in Daleks in Manhattan - giving the human-Daleks 'just that little bit of Time Lord DNA.' But Two does it just a bit better this time around - he gives them human emotions instead of his own DNA. I find that a better plan personally because no matter what, the Doctor is still a Time Lord, raised & ingrained with Time Lord boundaries & rules to follow, whereas humans have less boundaries imposed on themselves (by comparison, anyway), & even when they do, they can choose to break them anyway. Therefore, from my perspective, Daleks with a human factor or element to them > Daleks with 'just that little bit of Time Lord DNA'.
- TWO LEADING THE HUMANISED DALEK REVOLT AGAINST THE EMPEROR. FOR THE FUCKING WIN, BITCHES! Two is badass like that. ::nods::
- In retaliation for attacking Edward Waterfield, the humanised Daleks attack the black Dalek. They kill a Dalek for taking a human life, basically. It's . . . it's an intense concept to associate with a Dalek, I have to say, but I like it.
- At the final end of the story, the city of Skaro is destroyed all around Two, Jamie & Victoria as they make their way back to the TARDIS. I have to say, if the Daleks had not come back again during the classic series, until the new series, this would have been a pretty damn good send-off for them!
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Now, having listened to the audio version & having watched the recon of this story, I've got to say that both were great experiences, but I think I enjoyed listening to the audio a bit more. It really was like a Big Finish audio in some ways & I didn't have to worry about keeping my eyes on anything; I could just imagine what was going on & it worked perfectly for me. The recon & the only surviving story were good to watch & I'm quite grateful to have been able to see both, but the audio was more fun & more enjoyable for me on the whole. I didn't miss having something to see & I found that I got deeper senses of emotion, character & action than I did in the recon. Of course, to be fair, the recon is a bit more involving to watch & recap, as there are subtitles to be read & audio to listen to & it can be a bit hard to recap. Recons are in general, I think, a bit hard to recap, as opposed to watching an actual full story. Audios, naturally, tend to be a bit easier!
& that's our recaps for the week! Next week I'll be recapping Tomb of the Cybermen, Victoria's own Companion Chronicle The Great Space Elevator & The Abominable Snowman (the audio version, supplemented by my Lost in Time DVDs in some places).
Previous recaps
The Dalek Invasion of Earth
The Time Meddler
The War Machines
The Smugglers
The Tenth Planet
The Power of the Daleks
The Highlanders
The Underwater Menace
The Moonbase
So on we go with the great & mighty Troughton rewatch-athon! This turn, it'll be The Macra Terror, The Faceless Ones, both of which are the final serials for Ben & Polly as Two's companions, & The Evil of the Daleks. which will introduce the lovely miss Victoria Waterfield as the next travelling companion for Two & Jamie.
Also, I'll be adding a slightly new feature to my recap of The Evil of the Daleks & for a few other serials in future recaps. Since
nentari was a very kind soul & shared with me the audios of several serials, The Evil of the Daleks being one of them, I'll be watching the recons of some serials, then listening to the audio versions of them, which I'll mention my impressions of - kind of like recapping a Big Finish audio in some ways! (of course, for some, I only have the audio versions for, but I'll mention that when I get to them!)
Off we go!
The Macra Terror
- O! We have new opening credits for this story! ::bounces::
- Aww, Jamie's arming himself against the ugly beasties they saw on the scanner at the end of The Moonbase! Is it odd to say that I find that rather sweet? & I see Polly's still in her sweater from the same serial & she still looks lovely.
- CRAZY PEOPLE ATTACKING JAMIE! ::hits them with Jamie's wooden club:: But at least he & Ben were able to pull him off before anyone got hurt (again)!
- Hmm. The Two/Jamie clutching seems to have begin at this point of their travels . . .
- 'Well according to my calculations, we're um, certainly in the future and on a planet very much like the Earth.'
'How do you know?'
'I don't know, I'm guessing.'
::smothers giggles::
- Ooo, Polly eyeing cute alien men! ::laughs:: But she's quite right - he does look nice!
- O MY GOODNESS, AN INTERGALACTIC SPA!!! ::faints with pleasure:: & BEN BEING SHIRTLESS. ::collapses again:: I am so jealous of the four of them right now, I'm practically green! & teehee! Jamie's all 'CALL THE LASSIES OFF' & Ben's all 'OOO, GIRLS.' (& I'm going to just pretend I know for sure that Jamie's got no shirt on either . . . o, I'm having just as much fun as Polly is, I think.)
- 'Precisely - who wants to see their face in a pair of suede shoes?'
::gigglesnorts:: Two, you silly thing! (moments like this is why when I first met him, I decided Two would be the Doctor that I'd totally want to be BFF with, go swing dancing with in the thirties & make him teach me how to play the recorder.)
& YOU NAUGHTY MAN! Rumpling yourself like that after looking so beautiful! ::gives Two a bit of a loving smack::
- ::sighs over Jamie::
(but Polly . . . what happened to your lovely locks?! Please don't tell me you cut them off!)
- Ooooo, a party for Two, Jamie, Ben & Polly? I WANT TO VISIT THIS PLANET!
- Mmm, but it's never all fun & games with the Doctor . . . he's got a few questions for Medok while the others have their fun.
(on a side note - this serial reminds me a LOT of the Eighth Doctor audio The Natural History of Fear right now. & that serial SCARED THE HELL OUT OF ME.)
- That was quite brave of Medok, to intervene on Two's behalf & at the cost of his own life, even.
- UM. Okay, now we're really getting into The Natural History of Fear territory here, with the colony altering Ben, Polly & Jamie's minds to think exactly like the colony & to be just like everyone in the colony, in order to deny the existence of the Macra.
- JAMIE TO THE RESCUE! ::hugs him:: But I'm afraid that he's too late - Ben looks to be under the influence already.
- Hmm. They seem to have already hypnotised Ben, Polly & possibly Jamie, but not Two!
- 'I think you've been listening to some very bad advice . . . don't do anything of the sort! Don't just be obedient! Always make up your own mind!'
(more) Words to live by, courtesy of the Second Doctor.
I think Two (& the Doctor overall, possibly) would appreciate the sentiment of 'I aim to misbehave.' Two, how so awesome?
- KICK SOME ASS, TWO! & Ben, snap the frak out of it! ::shakes him:: & don't you sass the Doctor like that! & O, thank goodness for Jamie - he's not under the influence! (& how CUTE does Jamie sound upon just waking up?) But sadly, Ben is.
- BEN, PLEASE, SNAP OUT OF IT!
- 'Violence will get you nowhere.'
- 'Leave him alone.'
'Get out of my way. That's an order.'
'I take orders from no one but the Doctor.'
Remember how I said Jamie's got loyalty in spades? Well there's more proof for you. Jamie doesn't back down from fighting for those he's given his loyalty to & he's given his loyalty
- When Ben says 'I had to do my duty', he sounds a LOT like C'rizz, I think. & whoa Polly-girl, you're taking some big risks here! Be careful, please? & that said . . . FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT!
- Polly's seen the Macra! She's seen one!
- Polly might be drifting into screamer territory here, I'm not sure, but she's free at least. & even if I shouldn't like it a lot, I do like the fact that Ben was the one to save her. It makes my Ben/Polly shippy heart flap about happily. ::blushes::
- 'You have destroyed free nerve circuits, Doctor, you have burned them out. What have you to say?'
'Rather neat, don't you think? And so simple! I did it with this!'
'You admit it?'
'I'm proud of it!'
omgIheartTwosofuckingmuchomfg.
- The Controller reminds me frighteningly of the Editor in The Natural History of Fear. Frighteningly.
- That's right, Jamie, challenge some authority! Give 'em what for, bb!
- Two's so pretty when he laughs. ::kisses him::
- 'Aye, well, you don't send a lassie and an old man down to dig.'
'Old, what do you mean 'old'? I'm not old Jamie.'
theyaresofuckingmarriedevenbynowjesuschrist. ilutwo&jamie.
(I can even capslock about them anymore, they are THAT married & THAT slashtastic. Capslockery can't even fully render it!)
- UMF MORE TROUGHTON SEXINESS. I CANNOT EVEN DEAL. ::faints::
- 'The voices tell me what to do.'
'The voices may not be right, Ben.'
. . . . this feels like River-esque dialogue. Two/River, anyone?
- 'Hard for you to struggle against the voices, isn't it Ben? But I warn you - if you spy on the others watch out Jamie doesn't catch you. He's not so tolerant as I am.'
- 'They shouldn't make lassies do the work of men!'
JAMIE♥ But Polly will be okay, I
- LOLZ! ILU TWO. Eleven out of ten! ::grins::
- O YAY, BEN'S SNAPPING OUT OF IT! ::sigh of relief::
- O dear. Jamie appears to be surrounded on all sides by Macra. Two, think FASTER!
- Leave it to Two to get information in the best ways possible. (I'd capslock madly here, but I think not even CAPSLOCKERY could convey how much I love Two right now.)
- LET GO OF JAMIE YOU STUPID CRABBY THINGS!
- ::exhales:: Okay. He's good. ::breathes again::
- MY ICON!!! MY ICON'S CAP JUST APPEARED! ::flails:: [/random]
- . . . . Jamie. Dance. WHAT.
ASDFGHJKL;';LKJHGFDSA HE FUCKING DANCED THE HIGHLAND FLING & THEY FUCKING BURNT THIS SERIAL?! ::slams head into the wall:: I WOULD HAVE PAID MONEY TO SEE THAT.
::takes a few moments to recover::
Um, so, back to the story!
- Ugh, the way Two's described the Macra - as a disease within the colony - makes my insides shudder. Just . . . o, god.
- LOLZ JUST AS OLA'S BITCHING ABOUT TWO & POLLY STILL MISSING, THEY JUST CASUALLY STROLL IN. ::DIES:: It's so Marx Brothers!
- Polly & Jamie are challenging authority again! GO, GO!
- Jamie doesn't want to leave Two. ::wibblemeltdead:: His loyalty, my loves! I . . . I CANNOT EVEN DEAL. ::clings to Jamie::
- O.M.G. My whole icon is from this serial! & I have another one of Two from this serial as well - I should get that up sometime, since I need new Two & Jamie icons.
- 'Bad laws were made to be broken!'
People. Two IS the embodiment of aiming to misbehave. Mal would like him, I think.
twoyouarekindofmyfuckingherodoyouevenknowthat.
- 'I really don't know why I trust you Doctor.'
'Oh perhaps I've got an honest face.'
- Also, Two is very good at inciting others to stand up for themselves, take action & KICK ASS. Two >>>>>>>> EVERYTHING ELSE.
- O whoa, the gas sequence is fucking terrifying, honestly. Just fucking terrifying.
- BEN IS BACK IN ACTION! ::tackles him::
(& I note that Ben calls Two 'Doc' a few times - I wonder if Two minds, like One did.)
- HEE! Two's HAT! Silly little fellow. ::giggles::
- 'Take a leaf out of Jamie's book - give them old dance routine!'
AWWWWWW!
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& that's it for The Macra Terror, folks! & I have to say, I REALLY loved this serial - Ben & Polly still had things to do in it, but Jamie remained awesome nonetheless. & Two . . . well, I'm kind of out of adjectives & keysmashes to really say how much I loved Two in it, so I'll just say that he was as wonderful as ever! TWO IS AWESOME. & so are Jamie & Polly! (don't worry, I'll most likely get back to liking Ben in his last serial; just give me time to remember that he's not so evil.)
The Faceless Ones
(for this serial & one half of The Evil of the Daleks, I'll be supplementing parts with my Lost in Time DVDs. So off we go! & I've got to say, I've really missed watching Doctor Who on DVD.)
- So after The Macra Terror it seems like a fair bit of time has passed between that adventure & the beginning of this one.
- What IS it with the Doctor managing to rematerialise the TARDIS at airports? Five rematerialises in Heathrow Airport in Time-Flight & Two does it here at Gatwick Airport! Does the TARDIS herself have a fetish for aeroplanes?
- 'It's a flying beastie!'
OMG JAMIE BB, YOU ARE SO SWEET. ::kisses his head:: & look, still grabbing onto Two!
- HEE! I love the way everyone runs out of the TARDIS, only to get caught by airport coppers. ::giggle::
- 'Scatter!'
& everyone runs like hell & BEN FALLS OVER! ::dies::
& also, Polly & Jamie don't do scattering very well, as they just run right off with Two & abandon Ben!
(also, that's one of my favourite Two moments of EVER.)
- Well, Ben got away & Jamie & Two are hiding
'Jamie! Come over here with me. Come on!'
heeheesomarried.
- POLLY! O, the Duchess has her long & lovely locks back after sporting a pixie 'do in The Macra Terror! That's how one can surmise that it's been a bit of time between the two. & I LOVE her coat, skirt & go-go boots! (I've a pair just like hers. complete with scuff marks.) Mod queen, yes indeed. & also, how lovely does she look when she appears on her own for the first time in this serial? Polly-girl, I wish I had your pretty!
- Polly just saw a man killed! Thank goodness they didn't see her!
- 'Doctor I've just seen a man killed!'
'By one of the beasties?'
(& I love watching her run in her boots. She does it v. well & she looks so lovely. ::sighs dreamily::)
My poor girl, she's had a hell of a time. ::snuggles her::
- I like how Jamie's comforting Polly, but I have a feeling it was Ben who was really supposed to be doing that.
- I like the . . . assessment the two creepy murderer-types make of the Doctor.
- FUCKERS GET YOUR HANDS OFF OF MY POLLY!!
- Bastards. Let Polly go & stop interrogating her! ::glares:: But Two & Jamie are looking for her already!
- I love Jamie's sense of wonderment at everything around him - he looks so awed & lost & confused, but he looks so fascinated through all of it. Jamie has a beautiful sense of wonderment.
- Hee! Two keeps elbowing Jamie to make him shut up & WTF WHY DOES NO ONE CARE THAT A MAN IS SCREAMING ABOUT A DEAD BODY IN THE DAMN AIRPORT?!
- & WTF BEN DON'T GO IN THERE! BEN, GET OUT OF THERE!
- 'He was electrocuted with a ray gun.'
::gets elbowed by Two::
LOLZ! Two KEEPS elbowing Jamie & it is SO freaking cute. ::pets the both of them::
- JESUS, SOMEBODY, JUST LISTEN TO TWO, OKAY?! DEAD BODY IN YOUR AIRPORT, WHO THE FRAK CARES ABOUT PASSPORTS, THERE ARE DEAD PEOPLE LYING ABOUT!
- . . . Processed? My Polly? I do NOT like the sound of that.
- Two & Jamie are snappy at finding evidence, even in the smallest things & the smallest things. & ooo, Jamie's feisty to get in someone's face like that. ::sighs gleefully:: Feisty!Jamie is always pleasing!
- Polly-girl! She's alive! ::clings:: But . . . WTF OF COURSE YOU'RE POLLY! What did they do to you, Duchess?!
- & what the FUCK is that thing?!
- Okay, second ep & back in recon mode now. Polly, WHAT is wrong with you?! Pleasepleaseplease, REMEMBER who you are! What did they DO to you?!
- 'Jamie, I don't think we're very welcome here. When I say run, we run.'
♥♥
- UGH. Whoever did the subtitles for this should be slapped - GREEN TEXT?! How the hell am I supposed to decipher this?
- That . . . that thing is just hideous - it looks like KFC!Master from The Deadly Assassin.
- Ben's hiding in a photobooth!
- 'You don't want to believe everything you see, Jamie.'
So maybe it wasn't Polly, but a clone? O, please be so - I don't want to think of my Duchess being turned against her own friends!
& once again, more of the Marx Brothers touch, with Two & Jamie hiding behind newspapers!
- 'What do they mean by 'budget'?'
'Inexpensive, cheap.'
. . . . .
'Do you know what a chameleon is, Jamie?'
'It's just a name I suppose.'
'A name of a small animal, a lizard, that can change its colour to merge with its background. But it's a name that can also equally be applied to people as well. People who change their personalities to suit their own ends.'
I liked this exchange because I thought it was a good example of both Jamie assimilating information on his own, as well as the Doctor explaining something he doesn't understand very well, but without it being dull or complicated - it being actually essential to the plot, not just added in.
- YES, BEN'S CAUGHT UP TO TWO & JAMIE! ::waves pompoms::
- UGH, UGH, UGH, those creatures are creeping me out! & wait - Two said it might not have been Polly they saw. Is one of these creatures what they saw, just with Polly's face & voice? If so, then Polly's alright, they just need to find her!
I hope she's okay.
- Now this . . . Polly-shape is working for Chameleon Tours? No, I refuse to believe this is the real Polly Wright; it's one of those faceless clone things. I won't believe this to be Polly, I just won't! But maybe it is Polly . . . her slip-ups just said a lot in a very few words.
I . . . I'm lost. I just want Polly to be okay!
- LOLZ NOW ALL THREE OF THEM ARE HIDING IN THE PHOTOBOOTH! ::snorts:: & I love Jamie being all 'What's a photograph?' & OMG YOU THREE ARE SUCH DORKS! ::giggles madly:: & hee, Jamie's all scowly & 'Meh, I don't know what the hell's going on here.'
- Gah, I'm just as puzzled as Two is about Polly. But I stand by my theory - it ISN'T Polly, but a clone or some such, but with her mind or something.
- Randomly, I love the image of Jamie wandering around in an airport; I think it's very lovely. Makes me think of the Radiohead songs Let Down & The Tourist. (even more randomly, people wandering about in airports usually make me think of their song Exit Music (For A Film))
- Ah, now we have the introduction of Samantha, with a really silly hat on. & equally funny hair. But she looks SO much better without her hat on! & aww, Jamie offering to help her - he's such a gentleman, isn't he? His manners are really quite impeccable.
- TWO YOU CRAZY BITCH! ::ruffles his hair up like mad:: ILU HONEY.
- OMG, BEN FOUND OUR POLLY-GIRL! Ben, I love you I love you! ::hugs him:: & ARGH, Polly is absolutely frightening whenever she's hypnotised - it's her huge eyes, I think. Dude, Anneke Wills plays hypnosis SO fucking well; I can't remember seeing it done better. I mean, she literally scares me.
- O FUCKERY & CRUMBS, THEY HAVE BEN TOO! ::panics:: No, NOT after he found Polly, NO!
- Two gets described as 'scruffy' & in a frock coat. I kind of like that. ♥
- Hee, Samantha seems to be flirting with Jamie.
- HAH! Jamie's catching on now & he's showing his own intelligence now - go you Jamie!
- Moving back into my DVD supplements, we enter the third story! & JEEZE, FINDING ALL THESE PEOPLE IN CRATES IS SERIOUSLY DISTURBING.
- & where the last story ended, Two's seemed to attract some sort of freezing gas - he's got icicles forming on his face!
- YES! Two played possum & m'dear Doctor got something he could use! I'm with Jamie - I wish I had his brain.
(& rather amusingly, albeit, in a childish way, as soon as I hit pause on my DVD player to get this down, it paused right on a shot of Two's rather lovely backside. Hey, you can't fault me entirely; Patrick Troughton had a very nice backside!
- UMF PAT'S HAIR IN THE NEXT SCENE! (don't ask, he looks even more lovely with it all damp & just . . . yes. HUSH.) YES, THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT THING TO MENTION OKAY. GAH, I SO NEED TO CAP THIS.
- 'Do you always do everything you're told?'
'No! But the Doctor trusts me.'
O, JAMIE. ::falls over on her pink bed::
- Pat, STOP.LOOKING.SO.DAMN.GORGEOUS. I CANNOT THINK STRAIGHT!
(o, hush, these are my recaps, I shall fangirl as I please, thankyouverymuch! ::giggles::)
- Two, KICK SOME ARSE, BB! ::snogs him:: Seriously - just when I think Two can't get any more awesome, HE PROVES ME SO WRONG.
- Samantha & Jamie don't make too bad of a detective team, I must say. & Jamie holding & comforting her - 'Brave wee lassie - no time to grieve now.'
brb, falling in love with Jamie.
- LOLZ JAMIE DON'T LIKE SAMANTHA SNUGGLING UP TO HIM. ::gigglesnorts::
- WTF THEY'RE GOING TO BLOW UP TWO? I say again, WTF?!
- I adore Two's sweet little smile - makes me all weak in the knees, I'll admit it. ::blushes:: Two, Three, Four & Eight have that power over me.
- Ah, I ♥ watching Two & Jamie at work on their own - they make such a kickass pair, even if you don't ship them. Easily one of my favourite Doctor & companion team-ups, as well as being one of my OTPs. But even if they weren't, I'd love them anyway.
- Backing into recon mode now for the fourth story . . . okay, the vanishing passengers reminds me a little of Battle Royale, or rather, the scene on the bus, where the whole class is put to sleep with sleeping gas & taken to the island for the game.
- 'I'll not leave him.'
'You have five seconds to change your mind.'
'You'll have to kill me then.'
omyfuckingchristjamiehowsoloyal&amazingbb?
- O, damn. He got the three of them good! (but Two & Jamie look so pretty unconscious. & Jamie could be staring up at the stars.)
- They're paralysed! & Jamie's concern is for Samantha when he comes around! He really is a gentleman, isn't he.
- JAMIE! ::fans self rather fast:: Okay, could have used a warning there: 'WARNING: MAJOR SEXINESS WILL COME ACROSS YOUR SCREEN. DO NOT PANIC.'
- I kind of like Samantha - she's pretty feisty herself! & yes, she is a very brave girl - she would have made an interesting companion, I think. But I find her a bit grating too, for some reason.
- I have to say, this serial is overall a hugely creepy one. Not so much because of the monsters, but the plot itself. ::shivers::
- Jamie McCrimmon! You picked a lassie's purse! Naughty, naughty! But v. noble, I will admit. ::smiles::
- JAMIE ON A PLANE. Or if you like, Jamie's away on a jet plane! ::giggle:: But o, the poor sweetling has what I always panic about getting on an aeroplane - air sickness! ::holds Jamie:: But . . . I think his air sickness just came in handy, I daresay . . .
- Ah, Jamie, darling, you're alright! Now stay like that & kick ass!
- Stealth!Jamie!
- O GOD, MINIATURISED HUMANS?!
- O, SNAP! YOU HAVE JUST BEEN SERVED BITCH. ::snaps fingers:: Two FOR THE FUCKING WIN.
- Wow. Two's ruthless streak is showing & DAMN is it sexy.
- Gah, Two's losing his companions faster than a melting scoop of ice cream!
- They tied Jamie to a chair . . . . that's not so bad . . . .
- Two, PLEASE, you can't go on that flight! Please! The plan you have seems sound, but please, it's too dangerous!
- Umf, Sneaky!Two . . . umf.umf.UMF. More of that voice please, Two. PLEASE!
- My GOD. WHAT IN FUCK HAVE YOU ALIEN BASTARDS DONE TO JAMIE?! WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU DONE TO HIM?! O, somebody is so in for a classic Two-style bitch smacking when he sees what they've done to Jamie.
- 'Most intelligent race in the galaxy?' O, BULLSHIT. You bitches just MET someone from THE most intelligent race in the galaxy. SO THERE. You can say that AFTER you master time travel & the delicacies of space & time, clear?
- LOLZ, TWO SAYS THEY'RE ON THE LIST. ::gigglesnorts::
- Okay, Samantha would have made a pretty kickass companion I think - was it possible they were planning to make her one?
- TWO, ILU. ::kisskisskiss::
- Man, this last story is really making me tense - I'm practically biting my nails!
- YOU HAVE JUST BEEN SERVED, BITCHES. ::claps hands with glee::
- Okay, I'm biting my lips now, I'm so tense! I LOVE THIS SERIAL, even if the recon is rather disappointing. But this is like a serial that I need to be gripping someone's hand during!
- OMG JAMIE'S IN THE CLOSET! ::DIES:: (o hush, he IS in a closet; it HAD to be said!)
- O, Jamie, Ben & Polly are safe! ::exhales::
- Ah, back on Earth! But the sadness is coming, I can feel it . . .
- Aww, I love Sam's farewell to Jamie - SHE KISSED HIM?! OMG! ::scandalised:: But aww, she really had a thing for him, I guess. ♥
- POLLY! ::HUGS HER TIGHT::
- July 20th, 1966 - the day Ben & Polly began & ended their journey with the Doctor.
I remember discussing with
nentari, back when I recapped The War Machines, about One telling Dodo about a strange feeling he had when they arrived in 1966, 'something he only felt when Daleks were nearby' as he tells her, that his feeling could have been because, on that very day, his future self & companion were indeed near Daleks, or at least, the Daleks were near them. I remember saying something like how it was 'very interesting that two of the Doctor's regenerations were so very close to each other' & 'how it makes me think of all the times you don't see the Doctor almost meeting himself'. She said that The Two Doctors could be seen as a case of that (I think she did, I'm sorry if I'm not remembering right, love!). But now that I've seen both stories, I'd have to say that it is a pretty close call for the Doctor - granted, one's at Gatwick Airport, the other is probably a few miles away, but it still could have easily been a breaking of the first law of time, wouldn't it? (& that probably would have meant that the ending of The War Games could have happened a lot sooner.)I actually did get a little teary-eyed when Ben & Polly said their farewells to Two & Jamie. I thought it was beautifully well-done & I could feel how much Two & Jamie would miss them both, & they them. Ben & Polly were some of the finest companions to ever stand inside the TARDIS, I think.
& Polly-girl . . . I'll miss her beautiful smile & her kindness to everyone around her. & I'll even miss Ben's snappy little tongue & sharp witticisms. But Polly was right - it was their world & their time. It was time for them to return to their lives before they met the strange, funny little man in a blue police box. Like Ian & Barbara before them, they had some fantastic adventures with the Doctor, but wanted to eventually return to their own time & place.
(& like Ian & Barbara before them, they'll lead a happy life with each other.)
To Ben Jackson & Polly Wright - best companions & after all of that, loves. ::toasts::
(o, allow me my sap, okay?)
& now, it's up to Two & Jamie to find the TARDIS & sail on, throughout time & space.
(who the hell would steal a bloody old police box?)
The Evil of the Daleks
- Okay, so at the end of The Faceless Ones, Two tells Jamie that the TARDIS, apparently, has been stolen. (& I say again, who the hell would want to steal a bloody old police box?)
- Aiiee, Jamie & Two are running after it now! & the music being played during that bit makes me think of old Charlie Chaplin films.
- I love Two explaining 'TARDIS' as a Gaelic word. & Jamie not enjoying being called a foreigner. Teehee.
- Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but was The Evil of the Daleks the first serial for Two & Jamie to be on their own as a team for the most part?
- LOLZ JAMIE IN A TAXI. (sorry, it just makes me giggle.)
- & here is Edward Waterfield, the lady Victoria's father, selling Victorian timepieces.
- Jamie's clutching Two while learning about trains. Aww.
- 'It's so little, Jamie. It's too little to go on, Jamie.'
'Now don't give up, Doctor. Remember Bruce.'
'Bruce?'
'Robert Bruce.'
♥♥♥♥
They keep each other going, no matter how small a chance they have. O, Two. O, Jamie.
- Hmm. I know a few things about this serial . . . & yet Edward Waterfield is greatly confusing me, nevertheless.
- That picture of Jamie's quite pretty. [/shallowness]
- 'This is his assistant & secretary, Mr James McCrimmon.'
. . . an interesting description of Jamie, I must say. ::giggles::
- O, if I remember right, there's a song I should know playing soon in this scene, but I'm not sure. & teehee, I wonder how Jamie liked being in a coffee shop!
- OMG JAMIE, STARING AT TARTAN MINISKIRTS! ::tickles him:: Saucy little thing, aren't you?
'If only the laird could see that . . . '
& YES, I WAS RIGHT! I'm pretty sure it's Paperback Writer by the Beatles, but I'm not totally sure.
- 'Jamie, I'm being stared at. Is there something wrong with me?'
'You mean up here Doctor?'
'Is my hair in disarray?'
'No more than usual.'
'Do I look strange, bizarre?'
'Aye, well maybe I'm just used to you.'
'Well, that's some comfort.'
SO.FUCKING.MARRIED. DON'T EVEN TRY & DENY IT, PEOPLE.
- O SHIT HERE COME THE
- Supplementing with my DVDs for the second story . . . . & like I said above, SHIT, HERE COME THE DALEKS! & with them, they bring our first death in the story. O dear.
- Meanwhile, Jamie & Two have arrived at Edward Waterfield's antiquary, an hour early. & all genuine Victorian antiques? But brand new at the same time? I like Jamie's idea, but I'll go with Two - you want to know, you've got to ask.
- Sorry guys, but Daleks, even Classic!Daleks, give me a chill down the spine when they declare their lives the only important ones in existence.
- Random fashion note: Jamie's not got his knife or sporran yet, but he has his kilt pin in. I've never known what those are for; I don't think they're for keeping it on.
- Wow, Jamie & Two seem to get subdued by way of gas a lot in their past few serials, or at least Two & one of his companions do!
- Now where are they? They woke up in some fancy, pretty parlour - on June 2nd, 1866?! Without the TARDIS . . . wow. & that is a lot longer than I thought Victoria was from, actually - I had her pegged as being from the late 1880s.
- Ah, our first glance at the truly beautiful miss Victoria Waterfield! However, I do not like her being menaced or imprisoned by stupid tin pepperpots! The poor girl. Even now, I just want to hug her.
- I'm a bit silly, perhaps, but Victoria has a very handsome father. ::girlish blush::
- The first time I saw this serial, I was immediately reminded of the Big Finish audio The Time of the Daleks, an Eight & Charley audio where mirrors are used by Daleks as a means of travelling through time if I remember right, erasing the memory of Shakespeare in the process.
- O.M.G. Pat just The Head Turn™. The head turn & look he does when the Dalek first enters the room. From the very first time I saw that scene in one of the best fanvids I've ever seen in any fandom, I fell so.damn.hard. for that man. He just looks so . . . o, I couldn't even say! He just made it look so . . . sensual, I suppose? I DON'T KNOW. IT HAS AN EFFECT ON ME, OKAY?
(& I may have tried to practise that sort of head turn & look myself . . . but really, I think you need to be Patrick Troughton to do that. ::giggles::)
- NO! NO, YOU WILL NOT USE JAMIE FOR YOUR TEST SUBJECTS!! You stupid, overblown, egotistic pepperpots! You lay a plunger on him & Two will rip out your eyestalks.
- 'What have you done with your infernal meddling?!'
He's absolutely terrified for Jamie, & what they will do to him. I can feel that anger & the terror.
(& I have a horrible feeling he's remembering Susan now. & if not Susan, Katarina. Both of whom he lost in different ways because of the Daleks, as I see it. & to even have the possibility of Jamie being next on that list must be so horrifying for him. First his granddaughter, then a companion, now
- O, Jamie's been roused accidentally by Molly! Aww, the darling looks so sweet half-awake, I think. His poor head!
- In a way, Jamie's just seen Victoria for the first time, hasn't he, by seeing her late mother's portrait. & he thought her very beautiful. I . . . I'm looking forward to him meeting the young miss Waterfield, I must admit.
- Um, Jamie, love, you might want to turn around & shout . . . . no! Kidnapping Jamie & hurting Molly? No!
- 'Everything you say, Waterfield, is true. If we cannot find Jamie, the Daleks will take great pleasure in killing everyone in sight. And their greatest pleasure will be in killing me.'
I ♥ Patrick Troughton's delivery of those lines. His expression, his voice - it's just bang-on perfect for that scene. Another reason I love his era so much - he was such an incredibly talented actor & no matter what the scene is, he'll always hook me & get me completely lost in the story.
- Okay, back to recon mode for the third story . . . goodness, the Doctor is a lovely detective, isn't he? & what do these horrible people want with Jamie?
- Aww, Two checking on Jamie's head. Love!
- I'm quite worried for Victoria - stuff this 'not being exterminated' business, I don't trust a Dalek at all.
- The lovely, brave Jamie McCrimmon - how dare you slander him like that! Jamie's a bloody saint compared to Maxtible in my opinion.
- Hmm, at this point, do the Daleks know that the Doctor is a Time Lord? They seem to know that he's more than human, but do they know he's a Time Lord?
- His 'trial' is to rescue Victoria?
- 'I don't care for insolence.'
'Well I'm not keen on arrogance myself!'
But yet, Jamie's better than a petty verbal scrap & apologises. O, sigh!
- O, Jamie's so kind to Molly, he really is. & I love how he gently insists that she call him by his first name. JAMIE, WHY ARE YOU MAKING YOURSELF SO ENDEARING?!
- 'You have to brush up on your history. I can't be around to cover for you all the time!'
::giggles:: They act so married, don't they? Even so early on, they're totally OTP & it's so lovely to watch.
- The Doctor watched the charge of the Light Brigade during the Crimean War. I love how oddly nostalgic he seems about it all.
- O my! Jamie & Two are having their first big row! & Jamie's in possession of a sharp tongue & a hot temper when he's of the mind to be in one! & Jamie's storming off in a fit of temper - he's quite hot-blooded when in the mood, isn't he? I haven't seen him so angry before!
- O, stupid Betsy! ::hits self:: Two engineered the row between himself & Jamie, you should have known! He knows what's in Jamie's nature & he knows that helping Victoria is one of those things! O, very good, Doctor! (but I do hope you didn't make Jamie genuinely angry at you.)
- Eee! Molly's slipping Jamie plans of the house!
- Wow. Jamie has got the stealth! When he sets his mind to doing something, he'll really do it, won't he?
- WHY COULDN'T THE FOURTH STORY HAVE SURVIVED, I WOULD HAVE ENJOYED WATCHING JAMIE IN A FIGHT. ::pouts:: MOAR WARRIOR!JAMIE PLZ.
- OMG HE'S GOT A SWORD. ::fans self:: A SWORD.
- The sight of a Dalek with a handkerchief is rather giggleworthy. A lacy handkerchief, no less!
- 'If you want the human factor, a part of it must include mercy.'
Two just pwned some Daleks right there. ::grins::
- I'm feeling horribly awful for Victoria's father - he sounds like he's slowly reaching his breaking point now.
- Jamie's befriending of Kemel is rather touching, I find. & they both have a common goal - to find & free miss Victoria. Jamie's such a darling, I feel like I can't say it enough.
- Jamie's just had his first look at Victoria. & he finds her 'very beautiful'. ♥♥
- Maxtible's reasoning of Dalek nature is . . . disturbingly naive at best.
- O MY! Jamie McCrimmon just took down a Dalek! With help yes, BUT HE TOOK DOWN A FUCKING DALEK! See? I TOLD you he brings the badassery in monochrome! ::grins::
- & WHAT THEY DID IT AGAIN. Jamie = BADASS.
- Yay, they've got to Victoria!
- I love how he introduces himself, then says he came to give her back her hankie. How very gallant of him! ::heart melts::
- 'I am a professor of a far wider academy, of which human nature is merely a part. All forms of life interest me.'
Space beatniks FTW.
- O, Jamie's sharing his story over water with miss Victoria. & Jamie & Victoria are forming their own ideas as to how all of this came about. Victoria's a bright girl, I can see this already! She'll be a fast learner, I know it.
- MAXTIBLE! That BASTARD. He lured Victoria into the Daleks' trap! ::growls::
- More Warrior!Jamie! ::swoons:: & MORE SWORDS! & YELLING, OMG. ::collapses::
- 'Look, I'm telling you this. You and me - we're finished! You're just too callous for me. Anything goes by the board, anything at all!'
'That's just not true Jamie. I've never held that the end justifies the means.'
'Och, words, what do I care about words! You don't give that much for a living soul except yourself!'
'I care about life. I care about human beings. Do you think I let you go through that Dalek test lightly?'
'I don't know. Did you? Look, Doctor, just who's side are you on?'
O.my.goodness. Two & Jamie practically broke up right there. & o, really, it's something, you need to hear, but when he says he cares for human life, you can practically hear him thinking 'I care about you, Jamie.' I mean, you can practically hear it in his voice. That was a fairly intense row for the two of them & was very close to a breakup, almost.
- LOLZ THE DALEKS ARE LITERALLY PLAYING WITH TWO! ::dies laughing:: & WHEE, TWO'S RIDING DALEKS!
- OMG DALEKS PLAYING TRAINS. ::DIES AGAIN:: & the Doctor's all dizzy! ::is dying:: I FUCKING LOVE THIS.
- Alpha, Beta, Omega - HE NAMED THE DALEKS! HE NAMED THE DALEKS & HE'S MAKING FRIENDS WITH THEM, OMG.
- Maxtible is a mad, greedy, easily duped fool. That is all. ::glares::
- 'Don't worry Kemel. I shall protect you. I shall see they do you no harm.'
Victoria, you sweetheart. ♥♥♥
- So Jamie & the Doctor are on Skaro - I wonder if the Doctor will ever tell Jamie he's been there before.
- AWWW, CUTE & SWEET DALEKS ARE BACK. (wtfIjustcalledadalekcute&sweetwtf.)
- Aww, hi, Omega! ::waves at Dalek Omega::
- THEY WERE TRICKED! It wasn't Omega!
- ::hugs Victoria tightly::
- If I remember my history right, this serial was the first time an Emperor Dalek was introduced to the Doctor. (I believe it was because Terry Nation wanted to take the Daleks away from Doctor Who & get them their own show, but the plans for that fell through, so they came back five years later, during Three's era)
- RECORDER COMES OUT! ::beams::
- What I said before - Maxtible is a mad & easily duped fool. & I will keep saying that until someone kills him!
- Aww, Victoria has some time with her father after all of this.
- ::gasp::
The Doctor just said if he had no other option, he would try & take them all to his own planet, if not another universe, & told Victoria he was from a planet a long way from Earth. I know it isn't the first time he's done that (& that Gallifrey won't be named til Sarah Jane's first serial), but still - a bit of a surprise!
- O . . . I think . . . the Daleks just turned Maxtible into a Dalek! They want to make humans into Daleks - the Dalek factor. (so Daleks in Manhattan wasn't the first time the Daleks tried to create human Daleks or use humans to achieve their ends. But there, it just may not have been done so well as it was here.)
- NO! NO! THEY COULDN'T - THEY COULDN'T HAVE MADE THE DOCTOR INTO A DALEK HIMSELF! NO! Please, no!
- Wait . . . NO! He ISN'T a Dalek! He was just faking it! O, thankyou. ::exhales::
- I note that in this serial, Jamie's faith in Two seems to be shaken up quite often, as well as his trust. He argues with him & doesn't even know if he can trust him at this point. It's an interesting turning point I think - for Jamie to actually question his own faith in, & trust of the Doctor. I don't think I've ever seen him do so in later serials. I mean, he does get a bit snappy sometimes, & doesn't always obey Two (like in The Mind Robber), but I don't think I've ever seen his feelings about the Doctor so shaken up before. I also find it an interesting little short place to explore their relationship in the aftermath of this serial in a shippers' context - how far was Jamie's faith in him shaken, in a shippy way?
(of course this could be all me spouting about nothing but things I merely imagined, & it probably is. You know me - always seeing patterns in things that aren't there.)
- Two's teaching the Daleks to QUESTION. To QUESTION THEIR EMPEROR. To THINK FOR THEMSELVES.
Like he told Polly in The Macra Terror - always make up your own mind.
- O no . . . Edward Waterfield saved Two's life, but at the expense of his own life . . . & Two's promised to look after Victoria.
- & the Daleks have questioned. & done their own thinking. & DESTROYED the emperor - as well as most of Skaro, it looks like.
- 'We're not going to leave her - she's coming with us!'
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Wow. Now that was an epic, intense ride of a story! & I actually really enjoyed it, even though the recon wasn't the best, sadly. I think Victoria was wonderfully introduced & I found her rather brave in the face of everything she went through. She will make an excellent companion because of that. I think I'll enjoy watching Jamie fall in love with her - I do ship Jamie/Victoria too, mind you!
& my thoughts on listening to the original audio of The Evil of the Daleks.
The Evil of the Daleks; audio version
Stories one through three
- I'm really enjoying listening to the audio of this story, even more than watching it. It reminds me of being a little girl & listening to Gulliver's Travels & Alice in Wonderland on tape & clinging to every word being read out loud to me. The narration isn't particularly distracting for me; in fact, it fills in a gap here or there that the recon had (Two building a little something with sugar cubes whilst Jamie dodges flirty girls in short plaid miniskirts, for one thing). & plus, I've grown so used to listening to audios for different Doctors that I have no problem visualising what's going on in my head, even though I've already seen the recon. (but what I've seen in the recons isn't what I'm seeing when I listen to the audio itself)
- I also found that I'm picking up one thing in the audios that I didn't quite fully pick up on when I watched the recon - Edward Waterfield's uneasiness with the differences in twentieth century language & nineteenth-century language. I did note in the recon that he has a bit of trouble remembering to use one term in place of another (he refers to having paid Kennedy 'fifty guineas' when he actually means 'fifty pounds', which Kennedy calls him on politely), refers to the coffee bar as a 'coffee shop' & other small linguistic anachronisms.
(but hmm, the 'coffee bar' & 'coffee shop' slip intrigues me - in the States, we call them coffee shops or coffee houses; I can't remember hearing them referred to as 'coffee bars' - is this a British term for coffee shops & coffee houses, or was it what they were referred to as in the sixties in the UK?)
Anyway, linguistic issues aside, in the audio, I'm picking up on Edward Waterfield's discomfort in being a hundred years out of his own time that I didn't pick up as fast on when I was watching the recon.
- I know I've probably fangirled enough in my recaps this week, but may I just say that I really quite enjoy listening to Patrick Troughton's voice? SUCH A NICE VOICE, FOR REAL. (I'm not recapping these like recons; I'm just laid out on my bed & listening to them on the stereo, then typing all of this up after I finish one - it's pretty comfy!
Stories four through five
- I ♥♥♥ listening to the audio of Jamie & Kemel's fight, & with a good narration! It made a lot more sense than it did when I first watched it in the recon & I found it a lot more gripping to listen to! Also, as I said in my initial recap of the serial, I quite liked the bond that Jamie formed with Kemel after they each saved each other's lives - it makes more sense & has a stronger impact when I listen to it, than when it did when I just watched the recon. It's very sweet & I also get a better sense of Kemel's fondness for Victoria, which, while I did get whilst watching, I got a stronger feeling of after hearing it.
- I hadn't realised that Maxtible had been intending to shoot Edward Waterfield in the back when I watched the recon. This makes him even more of a mad fool than I thought, as well as a coward. He really does have no redeemable qualities whatsoever. Honestly, I find him just barely different than a Dalek by now. As Two would say, he is a man who holds that the end justifies the means. & I still find his blind, greedy motivations behind trusting the Daleks to be foolishly & dangerously naive at best, ruthless & no different than a Dalek's main overall objection at worst.
- & I'll never fail to be impressed by the fact that Jamie McCrimmon, in his first real meeting with the Daleks, manages to take one out with nothing but a bit of rope, some help from a friend & some serious ingenuity. Four stars, Jamie. Four shining, northern stars for you!
- Make that two Daleks, one being a totally unexpected!Dalek. ::grins::
- I also hadn't realised that Edward Waterfield had intended to knock Two senseless with the metal bar when I watched the recon. Nor Two's speedy response to almost being knocked out.
- & honestly, listening to Jamie get into fights rather than watching them . . . ::crumples to the floor:: I'd take the aural over the visual, I think. O yes.
Stories six through seven
- Listening to Two's glee over the Daleks playing trains is the cutest thing to ever hear. SO ADORABLE!
- O, he didn't write their names in Romanticised Greek, he wrote the actual Greek letter! I thought he wrote their initial, or their full names out, but apparently not.
- I wonder - Maxtible's bargain with the Daleks; to learn how to change metal into gold & Edward Waterfield saying that Maxtible's sold himself to the Daleks - I find that to be something of a Faustian bargain on some level, myself. Maxtible has sold himself for a secret thousands of people before him would have died to know - transmutating metal into gold - to something so purely evil as the Daleks, much in the way (but perhaps more metaphorically) that Faust sold his soul for immortality. Maxtible may not have sold his soul per se, but nevertheless, I see his 'arrangement' with the Daleks as a rather Faustian one.
Also, his desire to know the secret of turning metal to gold - if he'd been able to do such & take it back to Earth - would have given him a form of immortality, making the whole arrangement even more Faustian.
- Victoria, despite her own inner fear, speaks quite bravely. But I don't find her words hollow at all. I find them both solid & comforting, for her & Kemel.
- Interesting - at first, Victoria doesn't seem to fully grasp the concept that she is on another planet - she just seems to understand that she's been taken from Maxtible's house. But later, when she hears that there are other humans in the city, she seems to have developed a much better grasp of her situation & doesn't seem as slightly naive as she did when she awoke on Skaro. (however, her naivety is of course forgiveable; she's a nineteenth-century girl who would not understand the concept of space travel, nor should she expected to be. I certainly would not have expected her to at least.)
- Victoria's fast learning seems to be showing up as the story moves along, at least to me. Essentially, all of the naivety she seemed to have when she first appears is completely gone, replaced by a spark of, dare I say, anger, & of worry for the others. But she's understanding things by now, far better than she did when she arrived in the second story. & she's getting upset & I think, a bit angry now, at everything that's happening around her & especially at Maxtible. (good girl!)
- Listening to the Emperor Dalek lay out Two's role in his plan, is incredibly frightening to hear. I actually found myself getting chills during the very last bit of the sixth story.
- Two's playing his recorder & playing a lovely tune as well. & I do so love Jamie's snappy, razor sharp tongue.
- I find Two's little discussion with Victoria to be very sweet & a very kind bit, for some reason. Not sure why, but I do. It just shows Two's gentle side, I think. Not that we haven't seen such a side before from him, but I think it's a nice thing to show, when he's under so much pressure & is trying to think of a solution to the immense problem before him.
- Okay, I had NOT picked up on this part in the recon - Maxtible's hypnotising of the Doctor! I can't believe I didn't get that when I watched it! But nevertheless, that's how they got him to walk through the archway & made him into a Dalek of sorts! I HAVE NO WORDS. I just have no words as to how low a creature Maxtible is. (yes, it is after he's been made into a Dalek, I know, but still; how low could that bastard have gone?)
- I just realised the only thing I've been confused by in this last story - Two was never a Dalek at all, was he? He was just faking it so he could save the others & throw a wrench in the Daleks' big plan, wasn't he? I can't believe how stupid I could have been as to not even get that, twice. Stupid girl!
- Okay, some of you who read this may kill me for saying this, but the Daleks making the other Daleks walk through the archway, when Two has basically fucked up the circuitry, is a lot like what Ten does in Daleks in Manhattan - giving the human-Daleks 'just that little bit of Time Lord DNA.' But Two does it just a bit better this time around - he gives them human emotions instead of his own DNA. I find that a better plan personally because no matter what, the Doctor is still a Time Lord, raised & ingrained with Time Lord boundaries & rules to follow, whereas humans have less boundaries imposed on themselves (by comparison, anyway), & even when they do, they can choose to break them anyway. Therefore, from my perspective, Daleks with a human factor or element to them > Daleks with 'just that little bit of Time Lord DNA'.
- TWO LEADING THE HUMANISED DALEK REVOLT AGAINST THE EMPEROR. FOR THE FUCKING WIN, BITCHES! Two is badass like that. ::nods::
- In retaliation for attacking Edward Waterfield, the humanised Daleks attack the black Dalek. They kill a Dalek for taking a human life, basically. It's . . . it's an intense concept to associate with a Dalek, I have to say, but I like it.
- At the final end of the story, the city of Skaro is destroyed all around Two, Jamie & Victoria as they make their way back to the TARDIS. I have to say, if the Daleks had not come back again during the classic series, until the new series, this would have been a pretty damn good send-off for them!
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Now, having listened to the audio version & having watched the recon of this story, I've got to say that both were great experiences, but I think I enjoyed listening to the audio a bit more. It really was like a Big Finish audio in some ways & I didn't have to worry about keeping my eyes on anything; I could just imagine what was going on & it worked perfectly for me. The recon & the only surviving story were good to watch & I'm quite grateful to have been able to see both, but the audio was more fun & more enjoyable for me on the whole. I didn't miss having something to see & I found that I got deeper senses of emotion, character & action than I did in the recon. Of course, to be fair, the recon is a bit more involving to watch & recap, as there are subtitles to be read & audio to listen to & it can be a bit hard to recap. Recons are in general, I think, a bit hard to recap, as opposed to watching an actual full story. Audios, naturally, tend to be a bit easier!
& that's our recaps for the week! Next week I'll be recapping Tomb of the Cybermen, Victoria's own Companion Chronicle The Great Space Elevator & The Abominable Snowman (the audio version, supplemented by my Lost in Time DVDs in some places).
Previous recaps
The Dalek Invasion of Earth
The Time Meddler
The War Machines
The Smugglers
The Tenth Planet
The Power of the Daleks
The Highlanders
The Underwater Menace
The Moonbase
tagging
- and please stop calling me 'vic'!,
- boyshapes: patrick troughton,
- characters: ben jackson,
- girlshapes: anneke wills,
- jamie brings the badassery in monochrome,
- lovers: ben/polly,
- lovers: jamie/victoria,
- lovers: two/jamie,
- obsessions: doctor who,
- polly wright the cybermen slayer,
- space beatniks are awesome,
- the great&mighty troughton rewatch-athon
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Date: 2009-07-03 11:15 pm (UTC)IT BLOWS, trust me. D:
I can't see why not. I have already posted the perfect song for them before, and I have a few others in mind. There's one by the Moody Blues that is just ideal
O, that IS ideal! It sort of makes me think of a line from an Iron & Wine song My Lady's House. (o, I haven't listened to Woman King, the EP this is from in a few years & you just made me remember how lovely that whole thing is)
My pick as essential Susan serials: An Unearthly Child, The Sensorites and The Dalek Invasion of Earth. And on a smaller scale, perhaps The Aztecs, since she states her views on love and marriage at some point - not to mention she'll also impersonate her grandfather's fourteenth incarnation
Then I CAN make her a mix - I have all of them! :D :D :D (I think the Day O' Classic is coming up soon, so maybe this is what I'll do for it, if none of my fics are finished before then) & OMG SUSAN, HOW ARE YOU SO CUTE? ::hugs her:: She looks so silly & adorable! & is that Barbara with her, by any chance? (hee - are they having a girls' day at that moment? :P)
Oh dear. That is heart-wrenching, really.
It is, isn't it. But as soon as I heard it, I KNEW it was a Two/Jamie song. As painful as it was to think of it for them, it works just . . . perfectly for them. & that's sad to even say. But that is what Two is to him after his memory loss - a ghost. Just a dream he had, then woke up from & he can't really remember all the details.
I'll be pre-ordering the DVD this weekend, and I'm already weeping at the thought. Of course, the first thing I'll do is listen to the commentaries, so hopefully Frazer and Padders will make me feel a bit more cheerful while watching it.
O dear. I know that as soon as it's here in the States, I'll be running out to get it, even though it may just sit on my shelf until I feel brave enough to watch it all over again. :( But commentaries are good! & then maybe it won't hurt so much the first time.
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Date: 2009-07-04 03:01 am (UTC)Hopefully I have helped you relive something nice. :)
Then I CAN make her a mix - I have all of them! :D :D :D
I think that's why I named them - there might be other important Susan developments, but with these being the stories I'm more familiar with, then they're the ones that came to mind.
& OMG SUSAN, HOW ARE YOU SO CUTE? ::hugs her::
She takes after her grandfather, of course.
& is that Barbara with her, by any chance? (hee - are they having a girls' day at that moment? :P)
Yes, that's Barbara - the girls were having a quiet time exploring Barbara's goddess chambers while the boys were exploring the exterior (and One got involved with a certain cocoa-loving lady...).
But that is what Two is to him after his memory loss - a ghost. Just a dream he had, then woke up from & he can't really remember all the details.
That's a great definition, and just so heatbreaking.
In my personal canon, Jamie was an obsession of Three until The Three Doctors, and most of his obsession over regaining the ability to time-travel was not because of his understandable furstration to being tied to a certain point in space and time (even though it was something that obviously killed him) but because he wanted to get back to Jamie and make sure he was safe. It was only after he did that (his first official trip as a free Time Lord again after that serial) that he was able to relax and let Jamie sleep in his mind the way he told Victoria the rest of his family did.
But commentaries are good! & then maybe it won't hurt so much the first time.
Of course, the way the BBC works with releasing Region 1 material, I'm afraid you'll only be able to watch it in .avi format for a while. But don't worry, because Spearhead might be able to soften the blow afterwards.
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Date: 2009-07-04 09:37 am (UTC)I think that's why I named them - there might be other important Susan developments, but with these being the stories I'm more familiar with, then they're the ones that came to mind.
O, it's still a great help all the same! :D If I want to flesh my mix out more, I can do that in the beginning, when she & One arrive on Earth, or even before that, when she chooses to go with him.
Yes, that's Barbara - the girls were having a quiet time exploring Barbara's goddess chambers while the boys were exploring the exterior (and One got involved with a certain cocoa-loving lady...).
HEE! Girls' day indeed then! :D & I thought that she might be trying on Barbara's Aztec goddess headdress - she looks just as splendid in it! :D
In my personal canon, Jamie was an obsession of Three until The Three Doctors, and most of his obsession over regaining the ability to time-travel was not because of his understandable furstration to being tied to a certain point in space and time (even though it was something that obviously killed him) but because he wanted to get back to Jamie and make sure he was safe. It was only after he did that (his first official trip as a free Time Lord again after that serial) that he was able to relax and let Jamie sleep in his mind the way he told Victoria the rest of his family did.
O my. I love that quite a bit, actually - it's very sad, yet a bit lovely at the same time.
It's odd - I never really think about how Three & Jamie would have worked out as a team, if they'd ever been able to meet up again one day. I've given thought to how it would be with other Doctors, but it's usually Four, Eight & occasionally Five, but not so much Three, Six, Seven, Nine or Ten. (well, I don't much LIKE Ten anymore, so that's a bit of a given) But I do know that no matter what the face is, it's still the Doctor & Jamie is still Jamie & their bond is as it was when he was a little man with a great big dirty frock coat on who liked to play the recorder. I think that's something I should try & understand & remember a little better sometimes. :) But I agree - if Three didn't actually speak with Jamie, he would have at least made sure he knew how Jamie's life had ended up. I could see him doing that.
Of course, the way the BBC works with releasing Region 1 material, I'm afraid you'll only be able to watch it in .avi format for a while. But don't worry, because Spearhead might be able to soften the blow afterwards.
I KNOW. We'll be lucky if we get in six months after you all get it, if not in a YEAR. :( But yes . . . hopefully I'll feel a bit better after Spearhead From Space.
(I'm thinking of doing The War Games as one separate recap, since it's such an epic serial & there's going to be SO much to cover. I really do need to refigure my serial order - after The War Games, it'll be the two bonus!Pertwee stories, or three, if you count The Three Doctors, then The Five Doctors, Helicon Prime & The Two Doctors, with Midnight being the final recap. Which might include screencaps, possibly - I'd REALLY not like to have to talk about Ten longer than I absolutely have to.)
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Date: 2009-07-04 10:32 am (UTC)yes, that's her headdress - or at least some other headdress that belongs to the god she represents.
O my. I love that quite a bit, actually - it's very sad, yet a bit lovely at the same time.
I think it adds a bit more agnst to Three's sense of frustration and urgency during his early years. Plus I can imagine Jo feeling as if she knows Jamie personally from all the times the Doctor has talked about him.
(and besides, it's a great start for my personal canon)
It's odd - I never really think about how Three & Jamie would have worked out as a team, if they'd ever been able to meet up again one day.
Yes, I'm sure there would have been some friction - which is somewhat ironic, since originally the idea was for Jamie and Zoe not to be sent back to their own time, but to keep Three company during his exile. Well, actually Zoe and Jamie's replacement Nik were meant to be Three's companions, since Jamie was meant to have left the show during a serial that was to have followed The Invasion; Pat convinced Frazer to stay until the rest of the season so that they could leave together, which resulted in that serial being replaced with The Krotons and Nik being replaced by Jamie in the next serials. Of course, as we know, Frazer didn't want to leave and tried to convince his agent he should remain and try at least one season with Jon, but the agent stomped her feet. And when Padders heard Pat and Frazer talk about leaving, she said "Well, if you two are leaving, then I'll leave too!" which resulted in the whole cast gone and the writers creating the mind block as an excuse for Jamie and Zoe's departure.
I've given thought to how it would be with other Doctors, but it's usually Four, Eight & occasionally Five, but not so much Three, Six, Seven, Nine or Ten.
Actually, I think Jamie worked well with Six in The Two Doctors. They didn't see eye to eye 100% of the time, but most of it they got along. And I think he would have gotten along with One as well, if they had ever met.
But I do know that no matter what the face is, it's still the Doctor & Jamie is still Jamie & their bond is as it was when he was a little man with a great big dirty frock coat on who liked to play the recorder.
Exactly.
I'm thinking of doing The War Games as one separate recap, since it's such an epic serial & there's going to be SO much to cover.
That might be a good idea.
then The Five Doctors, Helicon Prime & The Two Doctors
It might be a better idea to place The Two Doctors before Helicon Prime. In the former, Two explains why Victoria is not travelling with him and Jamie at that point, and the latter uses that explanation but doesn't elaborate on it.
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Date: 2009-07-05 07:51 am (UTC)I thought so! :D Well, no matter what, Susan still looks supercute in it. ::pets Susan::
I think it adds a bit more agnst to Three's sense of frustration and urgency during his early years. Plus I can imagine Jo feeling as if she knows Jamie personally from all the times the Doctor has talked about him.
I can see that. ::nods:: & when I was reading that, it made me think of a little Three & Jo ficlet I read once - Sleepless Nights - that kind of put me in mind of what you said. (of course, how much relevance it'll have to what we're talking about is questionable, but why not? :D It could work. & it IS a cute moment for Three & Jo.)
Yes, I'm sure there would have been some friction - which is somewhat ironic, since originally the idea was for Jamie and Zoe not to be sent back to their own time, but to keep Three company during his exile. Well, actually Zoe and Jamie's replacement Nik were meant to be Three's companions, since Jamie was meant to have left the show during a serial that was to have followed The Invasion; Pat convinced Frazer to stay until the rest of the season so that they could leave together, which resulted in that serial being replaced with The Krotons and Nik being replaced by Jamie in the next serials. Of course, as we know, Frazer didn't want to leave and tried to convince his agent he should remain and try at least one season with Jon, but the agent stomped her feet. And when Padders heard Pat and Frazer talk about leaving, she said "Well, if you two are leaving, then I'll leave too!" which resulted in the whole cast gone and the writers creating the mind block as an excuse for Jamie and Zoe's departure.
I actually never knew any of that, rather embarrassingly, but at the same time, I think I liked that they all chose to leave at the same time - they were one of the best Team TARDISes I've seen & it WOULD be hard to imagine one without the other - it would feel like a big piece was missing. I would have loved to see Jamie with Three of course, & Zoe & Three would have been AMAZING as a scientific team, but it would have felt sort of off, seeing them without Two. But as I do say, it still would have been the Doctor, new face or not, but ah, still. I guess I just associate some companions with some specific Doctors more heavily than others.
Actually, I think Jamie worked well with Six in The Two Doctors. They didn't see eye to eye 100% of the time, but most of it they got along. And I think he would have gotten along with One as well, if they had ever met.
O, that's a nice thing to hear! & it would have been interesting to see One & Jamie together, but at the same time, it would feel like a great big time paradox all at once, for obvious reasons. But who knows? Maybe not, if you see it. :)
& I think I will end up doing The War Games as its own recap - it would be INSANE to try & cover it all in one go, I think. Besides, knowing the end . . . I'd get faaaaar too emotional to even remember any other recaps.
It might be a better idea to place The Two Doctors before Helicon Prime. In the former, Two explains why Victoria is not travelling with him and Jamie at that point, and the latter uses that explanation but doesn't elaborate on it.
Ah, thankyou for that! I shall do so then. :D
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Date: 2009-07-05 08:19 am (UTC)And on that aspect, Fourteenverse to the rescue!
& it would have been interesting to see One & Jamie together, but at the same time, it would feel like a great big time paradox all at once, for obvious reasons. But who knows? Maybe not, if you see it. :)
There's a tiny moment in the Ten Doctors where Jamie addresses One, and it makes me go "aww" - but then again, it takes place during a speech by the Brigadier that's made of awesome. :)
I made the pre-order for the War Games box set yesterday, but I might watch my .avi files today if I have the time after working on my sim legacy. I have a craving for some angst (plus I want to see the Two/Zoe kiss again!).
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Date: 2009-07-06 11:05 am (UTC)& I will . . . slowly . . . say that if I hadn't believed in 6B for some reason (in an alternate universe most likely!), I'd like to think that Jamie was able to live on & make some kind of life for himself, even if he felt like something was missing & that it was a very important something to him once, when he had it.
. . . good thing we have series 6B. Or the Fourteenverse! ALL IS GOOD & SEEN TO SOMEHOW.
There's a tiny moment in the Ten Doctors where Jamie addresses One, and it makes me go "aww" - but then again, it takes place during a speech by the Brigadier that's made of awesome. :)
AH! You've just reminded me about getting that the next time I have good internet! THANKYOU! :D (& it'll be soon, as I must go & fetch your Fourteen mix!)
WAIT, WHAT TWO/ZOE KISS? ::flails:: NO ONE EVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THIS!
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Date: 2009-07-06 11:20 am (UTC). . . good thing we have series 6B. Or the Fourteenverse! ALL IS GOOD & SEEN TO SOMEHOW.
YES!
WAIT, WHAT TWO/ZOE KISS? ::flails:: NO ONE EVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THIS!
Yes, there is a kiss - right in episode 1, as a matter of fact. I remember people talking about the time Nyssa kissed Five's cheek in Terminus (her farewell story), saying it was the first time there was a Doctor/companion kiss, but then I stepped in and went "Nuh-huh! TWO/ZOE, bitches!" It's a fatherly sort of kiss, but it's there.
I have a scan of it, but sadly it's in my computer (I'm at work right now), so I'll show it to you next time.
Edit: Here it is:
Also, after seeing the screencaps
Master 1, Zoe 0.
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Date: 2009-07-07 09:55 am (UTC)Yes, there is a kiss - right in episode 1, as a matter of fact. I remember people talking about the time Nyssa kissed Five's cheek in Terminus (her farewell story), saying it was the first time there was a Doctor/companion kiss, but then I stepped in and went "Nuh-huh! TWO/ZOE, bitches!" It's a fatherly sort of kiss, but it's there.
OMG! That's quite sweet, actually. & WHAT FIVE GAVE NYSSA A KISS WHEN SHE LEFT? I remember recently reading something about how when Peter Davison was the Doctor, he wasn't allowed to touch his female companions AT ALL, even in a fatherly way because people felt that it wasn't 'appropriate for a family show'. & I actually didn't know anything about Nyssa's departure episode, so wow. BUT STILL, THEY WEREN'T THE FIRST. :P
(& because we've got it on the table, how DOES Nyssa leave Five, actually? Is it her choice, or is it . . . is it like Adric, Katarina, Zoe & Jamie or Donna? ::nervous:: If I remember Logopolis right - or if I even remember the right SERIAL - wasn't Traken destroyed when Logopolis itself was? & um . . . does it involve Ainley!Master?)
Also, after seeing the screencaps
. . . . ::shifty eyes::
Well . . . to give Zoe a fair chance, that WOULD have been the first time she'd ever met him! & she's not psychic, as far as I know, so she wouldn't quite know what she was up against in the first round! :P
(I remember that a friend of mine Twittered about how at a con she went to, Terrance Dicks verified that the War Chief wasn't actually the Master. I forget what con it WAS, but I remember her Twitter because I answered it with something like 'FINALLY! VERIFICATION!' But hey - it IS the only way to get
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Date: 2009-07-07 10:11 am (UTC)I have no idea, I'm afraid. It was as early as 2001/2 when I read it, and I lost track of the website since.
& WHAT FIVE GAVE NYSSA A KISS WHEN SHE LEFT?
I don't remember the scene well, but I think it was Nyssa who kissed Five's cheek. I think that was probably why JNT felt it was appropriate this time. *shrugs*
& because we've got it on the table, how DOES Nyssa leave Five, actually? Is it her choice, or is it . . . is it like Adric, Katarina, Zoe & Jamie or Donna? ::nervous::
Well, since you'll have to know about it when you read The Ten Doctors, here's how it went: the Terminus from the serial's title was a gigantic spaceship where people from all over the universe who suffered from a leprosy-like illness called Lazar's Disease were sent to die. Nyssa got contaminated with the disease and sent to the chambers with the other sick people, while Five got in a squirmish with other people who had also invaded the ship, and Turlough and Tegan spent the entire serial crawling through air vents. In the end, Nyssa got cured, and decided to stay aboard the ship to take care of her new friends who were still ill and try to use her technical expertise to track down how she got better in order to find a cure.
If I remember Logopolis right - or if I even remember the right SERIAL - wasn't Traken destroyed when Logopolis itself was? & um . . . does it involve Ainley!Master?
Yes, Traken was destroyed due to Ainley!Master's meddling - which eventually resulted in Logopolis' demise. Again, it's something you must keep in mind when you read The Ten Doctors because it will be relevant to one of the most awesome moments in the whole comic.
I remember that a friend of mine Twittered about how at a con she went to, Terrance Dicks verified that the War Chief wasn't actually the Master. I forget what con it WAS, but I remember her Twitter because I answered it with something like 'FINALLY! VERIFICATION!'
I'm glad to hear it - I always trust what Terrance has to say as he's one of the few people who actually is careful about canon (the big continuity error from The Five Doctors being caused by a rewrite by Eric Saward and not by our Terry). And in The Ten Doctors they are indeed separate entities. In my mind, the War Chief and the Master are still one and the same, though.
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Date: 2009-07-08 10:00 am (UTC)O! :( That's a shame, as it sounded like a lovely story.
I don't remember the scene well, but I think it was Nyssa who kissed Five's cheek. I think that was probably why JNT felt it was appropriate this time. *shrugs*
Fair enough. :D I don't think there was a rule about COMPANIONS touching the Doctor. (hee - I wonder what JNT thought of all those Two & Jamie serials . . . lots of Doctor touching companion going on there . . . ::whistles casually::)
the Terminus from the serial's title was a gigantic spaceship where people from all over the universe who suffered from a leprosy-like illness called Lazar's Disease were sent to die. Nyssa got contaminated with the disease and sent to the chambers with the other sick people, while Five got in a squirmish with other people who had also invaded the ship, and Turlough and Tegan spent the entire serial crawling through air vents. In the end, Nyssa got cured, and decided to stay aboard the ship to take care of her new friends who were still ill and try to use her technical expertise to track down how she got better in order to find a cure.
::exhales:: Okay, then. I'd never known how she left & was a bit nervous to, because I worried it would be a sad & horrible ending, but I'm glad to know now. It's a noble & good ending for her, I think. & she can continue to be technically awesome, even on her own. :D
Yes, Traken was destroyed due to Ainley!Master's meddling - which eventually resulted in Logopolis' demise. Again, it's something you must keep in mind when you read The Ten Doctors because it will be relevant to one of the most awesome moments in the whole comic.
Ah, thankyou! & yay, my knowledge of Tom Baker serials is intact! (but of course, it's hard to forget his final story, even if I haven't seen one of his serials in a fair time!)
& that makes me a bit sad - Adric & Nyssa could never go home again, as the saying goes. & it can literally be applied to them, which is so sad.
I'm glad to hear it - I always trust what Terrance has to say as he's one of the few people who actually is careful about canon (the big continuity error from The Five Doctors being caused by a rewrite by Eric Saward and not by our Terry). And in The Ten Doctors they are indeed separate entities.
::beams:: & I remembered a few comments back - he wrote The Eight Doctors EDA & HE'S the one who wrote the Master's ending/beginning for the TVM so perfectly that I pretty much adopted it as my own personal canon! I can't BELIEVE I thought I read that in fic.
& for me, SO FAR, (& yes, I'm contradicting myself, I knooooow), I keep the Master & the War Chief separate in my head. The Doctor WAS Prydonian after all, as was the Master & the Rani, if I remember right, so the War Chief could have been as well, in addition to being another friend of the Doctor's, like the Master, who went very renegade after they left school.
Which interests me - is it ever said what house Romana was from? I don't think she was Prydonian, but her actions would look like those of a Prydonian; since she broke the biggest rule of Gallifrey when she & K-9 stayed in E-Space. In the Gallifrey audios, her house is mentioned, but if it's been stated onscreen, then that's what I'll stick with. If not, I'll stick with what her audios say.
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Date: 2009-07-08 10:27 am (UTC)Maybe he had a fit. :P
But then again, he was the one who ordered The Two Doctors because he wanted to see Pat and Frazer together again, so who knows? Maybe boytouching was acceptable.
It's a noble & good ending for her, I think. & she can continue to be technically awesome, even on her own. :D
Yes, definitely. It's definitely much better than Tegan's, anyway - "It's not fun anymore, so I'll run away screaming! Bye, Doctor! AAAAAAGH!"
he wrote The Eight Doctors EDA & HE'S the one who wrote the Master's ending/beginning for the TVM so perfectly that I pretty much adopted it as my own personal canon!
I seem to recall that he also wrote something that related to Season 6B in order to fix those pesky continuity errors from The Five/Two Doctors.
AND, what's even more important to me, in the novelization for The Abominable Snowmen, he rewrote a piece of dialogue between Victoria and Thomni that marks the only moment I've ever felt like slapping her - it's not a big deal, actually, and I think you will hardly notice it when you listen to the audio, but as I've converted to Buddhism it made me mad to have her act so disdainful of the poor boy's beliefs the way she did onscreen.
(Which reminds me - I've took the novelization home with me from the library for the third time now, and one day I'll order the recent CD release of it - it's narrated by David Throughton and people say his impression of his father's voice is even more accurate than Frazer's, which is already impressive.)
Which interests me - is it ever said what house Romana was from?
I cannot say, since my only complete Romana serial was City of Death (the only other thing with her I've watched, besides those clips from The Five Doctors, was the very first episode in which Romana I appeared, and my memory is rather fuzzy about that one). She is Prydonian in the EDAs, though.
And now I'm wondering what house the Monk was from...
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Date: 2009-07-08 11:19 am (UTC)But then again, he was the one who ordered The Two Doctors because he wanted to see Pat and Frazer together again, so who knows? Maybe boytouching was acceptable.
::giggles:: I would LOVE to know his reaction, seriously. If only for the giggles. & well . . . okay, this is SO not a spoiler for The Two Doctors, even I think that - are Pat & Frazer as, well - tactile as they were when Pat was the Doctor? (all I know of The Two Doctors is that snap of Pat & Colin Baker in a pool - & YES, I'D PAY FOR A NICE, HI-RES VERSION OF THAT. WHAT? :P)
Yes, definitely. It's definitely much better than Tegan's, anyway - "It's not fun anymore, so I'll run away screaming! Bye, Doctor! AAAAAAGH!"
Ugh, I've seen clips of Tegan's departure & I'd have to agree. The only point in Tegan's favour is that she decided to leave on her own, I think.
I seem to recall that he also wrote something that related to Season 6B in order to fix those pesky continuity errors from The Five/Two Doctors.
He did? Hmm, I've not known of this - blah, I know too little about 6B aside from the basic idea of it. :(
AND, what's even more important to me, in the novelization for The Abominable Snowmen, he rewrote a piece of dialogue between Victoria and Thomni that marks the only moment I've ever felt like slapping her - it's not a big deal, actually, and I think you will hardly notice it when you listen to the audio, but as I've converted to Buddhism it made me mad to have her act so disdainful of the poor boy's beliefs the way she did onscreen.
O goodness! I certainly don't blame you, & for a change, I'll save you my wishy-sappy-soppy justifications of Victoria. I'm sure I'd be the same way if she'd been talking about paganism.
(Which reminds me - I've took the novelization home with me from the library for the third time now, and one day I'll order the recent CD release of it - it's narrated by David Throughton and people say his impression of his father's voice is even more accurate than Frazer's, which is already impressive.)
AIIEE WHAT?! ::swoons:: O, how lovely! (& reminds me a bit of what you said, long ago, how there was a moment in Midnight where David turns around & has a look on his face that makes him look almost exactly like his father. & now THAT makes me realise that I don't know HOW I'm going to recap Midnight exactly . . . )
I cannot say, since my only complete Romana serial was City of Death (the only other thing with her I've watched, besides those clips from The Five Doctors, was the very first episode in which Romana I appeared, and my memory is rather fuzzy about that one). She is Prydonian in the EDAs, though.
Hmm. I'll have to look it up I suppose - but I don't think she'd have been Prydonian at all, myself. I think it was her travels with Four that opened her eyes up & made her see the world beyond the rules of Gallifrey - she wasn't in the house that turned out the renegades, but she became one in the end, I suppose.
& as for the Monk? O, I'd say he's pure Prydonian right there, if we're to believe that Prydonian house is the one that turned out all the
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Date: 2009-07-08 11:49 am (UTC)Well, I'd say the circumstances don't allow them to be as tactile as they should, but there's certainly some slashy undertones in their behaviour. Evidence 1 is the cap in this icon, where it's said they start to copy each other's idiosyncrasies.
all I know of The Two Doctors is that snap of Pat & Colin Baker in a pool - & YES, I'D PAY FOR A NICE, HI-RES VERSION OF THAT. WHAT? :P
You mean the one with Pat on Colin's shoulders? Apparently that was a usual pastime between the actors while they were doing the location shots in Seville - the purpose of the game was for two teams (each consisting of someone swimming around with another person on their shoulders) to try to knock each other down. In the audio commentaries Colin explains how the most usual lineup was Nicola on Colin's shoulders and Frazer on Pat's, and that it was in times like those that he was glad he had a female companion. :P
(forget the hi-res version - I'd like so see these games on video!)
There's also a funny story about those pool breaks featuring JNT and Jacqueline Pearce (who plays the villainess, Chessene), which I've recently learned about while watching it with the production subtitles on, but I'll save it until after you watch the serial, otherwise you'll be unable to take Chessene seriously. :P
O goodness! I certainly don't blame you, & for a change, I'll save you my wishy-sappy-soppy justifications of Victoria. I'm sure I'd be the same way if she'd been talking about paganism.
I understand why she says the things she does, since it's a mixture of the inquiring mind we've already seen she possesses and the Victorian ways she was brought up with, and I know she's not trying to be insulting in any way (she just doesn't understand why anyone would not be as curious as she is, especially someone who has lived in the monastery for years), but I can't help but feel annoyed. At least when people abuse Buddhist rituals in Planet of the Spiders (including the mantra I myself like to use, and which Victoria is taught to use at the end of Snowmen), they're not the people we're meant to identify with while watching.
Another thing Terrance changed in the Snowmen novelization was the spelling of the monks' names - the main characters were all given names of deities, rather than generic Tibetan names, and it was feared that this would offend Buddhists.
On a downside note, he also removed the "Jamie has an idea gag" - instead, Two is thrilled that Jamie has had an idea and tells the monks to do anything he tells them to.
AIIEE WHAT?! ::swoons:: O, how lovely!
I think so too. If it wasn't for the War Games DVD, that would have probably been my purchase for this month.
& now THAT makes me realise that I don't know HOW I'm going to recap Midnight exactly . . .
I hope you'll find a way around it too, as I'd love to see you writing about it.
& as for the Monk? O, I'd say he's pure Prydonian right there, if we're to believe that Prydonian house is the one that turned out all the
cool onesrenegades, lunatics & dangerous Time Lords & Ladies.I like to see Prydonians as the Gryffindors of the Gallifreyan academy - they rarely play by the rules, and in spite of many turning out brave and just, there's a percentage of them that become rotten.
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Date: 2009-07-08 12:26 pm (UTC). . . I spent about five seconds waiting to get to that bit of your icon, then tried to study it as quick as I could. I'll just have to be a patient lass & see, I suppose. (sigh, patience. NOT one of my best virtues.)
You mean the one with Pat on Colin's shoulders? Apparently that was a usual pastime between the actors while they were doing the location shots in Seville - the purpose of the game was for two teams (each consisting of someone swimming around with another person on their shoulders) to try to knock each other down. In the audio commentaries Colin explains how the most usual lineup was Nicola on Colin's shoulders and Frazer on Pat's, and that it was in times like those that he was glad he had a female companion. :P
(forget the hi-res version - I'd like so see these games on video!)
YES THAT'S THE ONE! I have ICONS of it I think, but I NEEDS PICTURES. (& if Nicola's in them - EVEN BETTER! :D) & OMG. ::gigglesnort:: I'd like to see those on video too - no matter what the quality! ^__^
There's also a funny story about those pool breaks featuring JNT and Jacqueline Pearce (who plays the villainess, Chessene), which I've recently learned about while watching it with the production subtitles on, but I'll save it until after you watch the serial, otherwise you'll be unable to take Chessene seriously. :P
Teehee! Okay then! :D
I understand why she says the things she does, since it's a mixture of the inquiring mind we've already seen she possesses and the Victorian ways she was brought up with, and I know she's not trying to be insulting in any way (she just doesn't understand why anyone would not be as curious as she is, especially someone who has lived in the monastery for years), but I can't help but feel annoyed. At least when people abuse Buddhist rituals in Planet of the Spiders (including the mantra I myself like to use, and which Victoria is taught to use at the end of Snowmen), they're not the people we're meant to identify with while watching.
Ah yes, that WOULD have been my defence of miss Victoria, but either way, I could see how it could make you so angry with her.
On a downside note, he also removed the "Jamie has an idea gag" - instead, Two is thrilled that Jamie has had an idea and tells the monks to do anything he tells them to.
YAY! He gave Jamie a bit of justice in the end. ♥♥
I hope you'll find a way around it too, as I'd love to see you writing about it.
::blushes a bit:: Aww, thankyou! & I may just try focusing on David (Troughton, not Tennant of course!) for my recap of that, but argh, I'm going to have to be . . . NICE about Ten, since there are some I know who quite adore him, even if I don't. Diplomacy time for me, it seems. :O
I like to see Prydonians as the Gryffindors of the Gallifreyan academy - they rarely play by the rules, and in spite of many turning out brave and just, there's a percentage of them that become rotten.
I think that's fair enough. & it does make sense that not EVERY Prydonian goes evil in some way - it's just some do, or they choose to leave Gallifrey behind to learn more about the worlds beyond them. Some stay exactly the same as they were when they went in, a few go a drastically different way. Makes good sense in the end. ::nods::
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Date: 2009-07-08 01:15 pm (UTC)Not very clear, I'm afraid. But rest assured there's some angst that shows just how much they care for each other.
(& if Nicola's in them - EVEN BETTER! :D)
I'm not sure if they took any picture with Nicola during those pool parties, I'm afraid. There's one with Frazer by the pool, supposedly in a speedo, but Colin is in the way and we can't see much of our boy.
YAY! He gave Jamie a bit of justice in the end. ♥♥
From what I was told, it seems that both Terrance and Ian Marter (who, besides playing Harry, also wrote novelizations) were huge fans of Jamie and made him shine whenever they adapted Two's serials.
I'm going to have to be . . . NICE about Ten, since there are some I know who quite adore him, even if I don't. Diplomacy time for me, it seems. :O
Well, it is a story where the dislike of Ten won't come as strongly - even if he should known better at times. Having grown up at a time where Portuguese TV played Italian shows, I have to say I appreciate him shutting down the screens while Rafaella Carra was singing. :P (And the moment in which David Troughton looks uncannilly like his dad is right after the screens are turned off, when his character expresses relief for the silence.)
& it does make sense that not EVERY Prydonian goes evil in some way - it's just some do, or they choose to leave Gallifrey behind to learn more about the worlds beyond them.
Exactly. I know there's another Time Lord from Four's era called Drax, who appears in The Ten Doctors and who is really nice and not at all evil, even though he's a Prydonian.
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Date: 2009-07-08 01:55 pm (UTC)Yes, alas. But soon enough, I'll get to see it in colour!
I'm not sure if they took any picture with Nicola during those pool parties, I'm afraid. There's one with Frazer by the pool, supposedly in a speedo, but Colin is in the way and we can't see much of our boy.
::brain turns to foam::
. . . . I'm sorry, I forgot all about Nicola Bryant the minute I saw Frazer's name six words away from being in a speedo.
From what I was told, it seems that both Terrance and Ian Marter (who, besides playing Harry, also wrote novelizations) were huge fans of Jamie and made him shine whenever they adapted Two's serials.
O! ::lights up:: That's WONDERFUL to hear! (& I remember it being said in the commentary & the production notes of The Ark in Space that Ian Marter wrote the novelisation of that serial & I know he did one focusing on Harry, but I've not found anyone who's read it, alas. But there could be . . . places, mind you.) But I'm so glad that they both gave Jamie lots of love in their adaptations of Two's stories. ^___^
Well, it is a story where the dislike of Ten won't come as strongly - even if he should known better at times. Having grown up at a time where Portuguese TV played Italian shows, I have to say I appreciate him shutting down the screens while Rafaella Carra was singing. :P (And the moment in which David Troughton looks uncannilly like his dad is right after the screens are turned off, when his character expresses relief for the silence.)
HEEHEE! & YAY THANKYOU FOR TELLING ME WHAT TO LOOK FOR! (because I kind of SUCK & might not have found it myself) I think I'll have to cap that bit, just to wave it about & be all 'HEY, LOOK, IT'S DAVID TROUGHTON LOOKING AMAZINGLY LIKE HIS FATHER AT DAVID TENNANT!' :P Um, I mean, for recap purposes, that is.
(& I just realised - not only do they have the same first name, but they have the same INITIALS. OI. How does this happen, exactly? :P)
Exactly. I know there's another Time Lord from Four's era called Drax, who appears in The Ten Doctors and who is really nice and not at all evil, even though he's a Prydonian.
O, Drax sounds familiar - has he appeared in any serials? I think he might have, but I wouldn't know any of them. (& is it just me, or was Four the Doctor who kept going back to Gallifrey the most? I think I could count about three times where he went back to Gallifrey - all with & in one case, without - different companions.)
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Date: 2009-07-08 02:07 pm (UTC)Hee, that's a completely understandable reaction.
HEEHEE! & YAY THANKYOU FOR TELLING ME WHAT TO LOOK FOR! (because I kind of SUCK & might not have found it myself)
I'm glad I could help. Right after the ship becomes silent, you'll see David Troughton look around and his face lights up with relief and becomes just like his dad's.
And a little bit of trivia: when The Two Doctors was made, Patrick Troughton and Colin Baker already knew each other well, even though they hadn't worked together before. The reason for this? Pat's son. When David did The Curse of Peladon, he was sharing a flat with Colin - and when he got married, Colin was his best man.
O, Drax sounds familiar - has he appeared in any serials?
He was in one serial with Four, K9 and Romana - but I can't recall the name of the serial, or if it was Romana I or II. All I know is that he has a cockney accent, and that K9 thought he was silly.
(& is it just me, or was Four the Doctor who kept going back to Gallifrey the most? I think I could count about three times where he went back to Gallifrey - all with & in one case, without - different companions.)
Three times? I only remember two (The Deadly Assassin and The Invasion of Time), which is also the same amount of visits I know Five made there (Arc of Infinity and The Five Doctors).
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Date: 2009-07-08 02:42 pm (UTC)O, yay! Even my poor brain going all foamy on us?
I'm glad I could help. Right after the ship becomes silent, you'll see David Troughton look around and his face lights up with relief and becomes just like his dad's.
THERE WILL BE CAPS OF THIS.
And a little bit of trivia: when The Two Doctors was made, Patrick Troughton and Colin Baker already knew each other well, even though they hadn't worked together before. The reason for this? Pat's son. When David did The Curse of Peladon, he was sharing a flat with Colin - and when he got married, Colin was his best man.
O my goodness! Yes, Doctor Who brings EVERYONE together in the end, doesn't it? :D (& I'm excited about seeing The Curse of Peladon - more caps may have to come from that too! Just to show the handsomeness that runs in the Troughton family. :D)
He was in one serial with Four, K9 and Romana - but I can't recall the name of the serial, or if it was Romana I or II. All I know is that he has a cockney accent, and that K9 thought he was silly.
Ah, thought so! But I thought it might have been either The Deadly Assassin or The Invasion of Time.
& the three times I was thinking of were The Deadly Assassin (without Sarah Jane), The Invasion of Time (with Leela) & the first serial in the Key to Time series - he leaves Leela on Gallifrey & he & Romana go off to get the pieces, yes? Or is Leela being on Gallifrey an audio-only thing?
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Date: 2009-07-08 03:26 pm (UTC)Hopefully it's not as bad as you think.
THERE WILL BE CAPS OF THIS.
If you don't do it, I will.
& I'm excited about seeing The Curse of Peladon - more caps may have to come from that too! Just to show the handsomeness that runs in the Troughton family. :D
I made a whole post full of caps of this once, but since it was for a Jo watch-a-thon it focuses more on pretty Princess Josephine and her cute ringlets.
& the first serial in the Key to Time series - he leaves Leela on Gallifrey & he & Romana go off to get the pieces, yes? Or is Leela being on Gallifrey an audio-only thing?
Leela remains on Gallifrey at the end of The Invasion of Time. As for the opening sequence from the Key to Time series, it's never established where the TARDIS has landed - it could be Gallifrey, yes, but on the other hand it could also be an imaginary world designed by the White Guardian just for that meeting. I don't remember it well, but I think that Romana was materialized aboard the TARDIS by the White Guardian.
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Date: 2009-07-09 08:00 am (UTC)Ah, foamy!brain was partially the result of the total lack of sleep as well as mad fangirlish squee. But it's quite solid now! :D
& YES, I WILL BE CAPPING MADLY & FLAILING AT THE LOT OF YOU MOST LIKELY. :P
I made a whole post full of caps of this once, but since it was for a Jo watch-a-thon it focuses more on pretty Princess Josephine and her cute ringlets.
O! ::squeals:: Jo had ringlets? OMG HOW CUTE! ::dreamy girlie sighs::
Leela remains on Gallifrey at the end of The Invasion of Time. As for the opening sequence from the Key to Time series, it's never established where the TARDIS has landed - it could be Gallifrey, yes, but on the other hand it could also be an imaginary world designed by the White Guardian just for that meeting. I don't remember it well, but I think that Romana was materialized aboard the TARDIS by the White Guardian.
Ah, I get it now! I knew the White Guardian was the one who sent Four & Romana to look for it, but I'd always thought Four had gone back to Gallifrey to get her & that Leela had chosen to stay behind then.
One day I'll SEE the Key to Time series - one day. (Romana I is one of the few companions I haven't met yet, actually - just Romana II.)
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Date: 2009-07-09 10:14 am (UTC)Oh, I know what you mean. Even though I usually arrive home from work near my bedtime, I had to stay awake and watch six episodes from my shiny War Games DVD just to listen to the commentaries. My love for Frazer Hines grew even more, and I ever though such a thing was possible. ♥
Here's two excerpts for your enjoyment:
The scene: Jamie knocks his assailant off his horse and leaves riding it.
Terrance Dicks: That must have been uncomfortable, jumping on [the horse] in a kilt with nothing underneath.
Frazer: Very uncomfortable. It rubs the hairs in your legs. And on the way back, the makeup girl, on the back seat of the bus, had to rub oil into my legs, because they were all red raw.
Jane Sherwin: And you couldn't have done it yourself?
Frazer: (lecherous voice) No.
Derrick Sherwin: Dear oh dear. What a fuss young actors make. I remember when I was riding horses bareback - big horses, not all these little ponies - nobody rubbed oil on my thighs.
Frazer: Well, you should have asked.
Derrick: You're living in France, aren't you, Wendy?
Wendy: Yes.
Derrick: Why?!
Wendy: Because it's nice? Because my daughter is married to a Frenchman, and my grandchildren are French.
Frazer: (hopeful voice) Did you bring us any wine for us to drink after this commentary?
Wendy: No, sorry.
Frazer: *disappointed sigh*
Wendy: I'll buy you one.
Graham Weston: How many grandchildren...?
Wendy: Just two.
Graham: Me also.
Derrick: I've got six and one great-grandchild. I'm really beginning to feel it now.
Frazer. I've got three mares, two foals and a yearling.
Derrick: Sorry, you what?!
Frazer: Three mares, two foals and a yearling. That's my... With my children I can sell them if they get unruly.
O! ::squeals:: Jo had ringlets? OMG HOW CUTE! ::dreamy girlie sighs::
*points to icon* I made this one from one of the caps from my tribute post. Lookit how cute she looks with her ringlets and her lovely smile!
EDIT: Okay, so you can't really see the ringlets in that cap, so have an image of Jo drooling over David Throughton instead:
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Date: 2009-07-09 12:07 pm (UTC)Ooooh! (yes, I had to make it a proper 'Oh!' this time because even I wouldn't have thought such a thing possible!) I REMAIN JEALOUS EVEN THOUGH I HAVE IT ON .AVI BUT STILL YOU HAVE COMMENTARIES & HI-RES DVD RESTORATION. But you gave me some . . . very pleasant highlights of it & that's just lovely as well. :D
::lies down with a nice cool drink:: THANKYOU. ^____^
& ZOMG JO'S HAIR IS SO CUTE! & her adorable little smile & just . . . AWWW! ::twirlygrabbyhands of glee & girlieness:: She looks so wonderfully awed . . . siiiiigh! ♥♥♥
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Date: 2009-07-09 01:13 pm (UTC)I am still surprised.
I REMAIN JEALOUS EVEN THOUGH I HAVE IT ON .AVI BUT STILL YOU HAVE COMMENTARIES & HI-RES DVD RESTORATION.
The restoration is so good that when you see a close-up of a character who has a scar on his eye, you can see the gauze that served as base for the fake scar. I was surprised nobody doing the commentaries has noticed it.
But you gave me some . . . very pleasant highlights of it & that's just lovely as well. :D
I transcribed a lot more excerpts from the commentaries for
& ZOMG JO'S HAIR IS SO CUTE! & her adorable little smile & just . . . AWWW!
I think it's her most adorable look ever - and you're hearing it from the blue plush coat's #1 fan. It makes me giggle to no end that she got herself all dolled up like that for a date with
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Date: 2009-07-10 12:43 am (UTC)The restoration is so good that when you see a close-up of a character who has a scar on his eye, you can see the gauze that served as base for the fake scar. I was surprised nobody doing the commentaries has noticed it.
AIIEEEEE, I WANT TO STEAL IT FROM YOU NOW! I suppose if I put my face very close to River's screen, it could compensate . . .
I transcribed a lot more excerpts from the commentaries for
Um . . . yesplz. (I mean, if it isn't trouble for you! ♥)
OMG HER BLUE COAT!! I've SEEN coats like that here in some shops, but alas, never in a pretty blue like hers. I have, however, found a perfect pair of boots like the ones she wore with it & am contemplating buying them. (platforms & all! Good thing I can generally walk in high shoes. :D)
It makes me giggle to no end that she got herself all dolled up like that for a date with
the rotten cheese stealerMike Yates, and Three kidnapped her for a small test drive on the TARDIS. Naughty Three. :P::pins a stargazer lily on Three's jacket for that::Ooo, how very naughty of him indeed! But perhaps, it was all for the best . . . ::grins::(no subject)
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