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riverdressesWhoa! Okay, making my way through the first leg of the great & mighty Troughton rewatch-athon, which, amusingly, starts with five William Hartnell serials.
I hadn't planned on including The Dalek Invasion of Earth originally, as I'd wanted to see The Aztecs first, so I could get to know Susan a bit better before seeing her final serial, but I figured, what the hell? I was going to start with a bit of the Hartnell-era first anyway, so I tossed it in. (but I may get to see The Aztecs soon!)
So here we are with recaps of the first three serials!
The Dalek Invasion of Earth
- The first thing I got as soon as Ian, Barbara, Susan & One stepped out of the TARDIS was definitely a feeling of mutual respect & possibly friendship between One, Ian & Barbara - much stronger than it was at the end of The Edge of Destruction. I would say he's definitely changed, as they have, from their initial adventures with him & Susan.
- Susan's childlike side seems to come out a bit here, just as all the bits of the bride fall in front of the TARDIS. I think it's a nice contrast to who she becomes later throughout the story. & her interactions with One were very sweet.
- The interaction between Ian & One is great during their scenes in the warehouse. They've become fairly equal, I would say. One is no longer as condescending to Ian as he was originally, & actually listens to him as well. Far different from their first interactions.
- The scenes where Susan's being carried off & Barbara running after the man who found her in front of the TARDIS was very beautifully shot, I thought. It was almost cinematic, in a way & even bit comical, as Susan's being carried one way above Barbara, who's running just underneath where she is.
- I remember hearing a little about this serial before I'd ever chose to see it, & that it did seem to be influenced by the Second World War, as it was just two decades before the serial was conceived, & the scenes of Barbara running through such desolate, overgrown, fenced off places in London really do have that feel, as well as the cinematic feeling of the scenes beforehand. Those are some of my favourite parts of the whole serial.
- Hmm. I was a bit underwhelmed by the Dalek coming out of the water, for some reason. I'd seen that bit before & flipped out a bit, but seeing it in context just sort of underwhelmed me. Not sure why, but Ian & One's reactions are the best bit of that segment, I think.
- On the first viewing, I didn't like Jenny very much. Afterwards, I grew to like her more, especially in her scenes with Barbara later on.
- One still runs the domain of AWESOME, even on Dalek-infested Earth. ::grins:: Who else but him would figure out how to get out of a Dalek holding cell?
Though I am surprised he wasn't a bit more suspicious of why the Daleks would leave a key of sorts in there with prisoners - I would have thought he'd guess it a trap, but his other ideas about it proved to be valid, so I guess I have no real leg to stand on, regarding his not knowing it was a trap.
- I really loved Susan in this serial - I've seen four with her, but this, I feel, was her best out of all of them. She was so much less a screaming, worrying, whiny girl, & more of a fighting, brave, grown-up young woman in this. I felt that she really asserted herself as a Time Lady, & as more than just the Doctor's granddaughter & as a child.
& of course . . . her beginning relationship with David, but we'll get to that later on.
- Well, since I mentioned it, let's get there - I really liked David. He was one of my favourite characters of the story & I truly loved his relationship with Susan. I believed in it as it progressed & I loved the fish scene - it's playful, sweet & a light bit sexy, even. & their kiss! & then One came back & sort of spoiled it all. But how cute was David trying to seem totally innocent when One returned? ::giggles:: I really enjoyed watching their feelings for each other develop in all of their scenes together.
- I must admit, seeing One laid out under that machine that makes Robomen is something of a chilling, slightly disconcerting image to leave off on. Which means it was a good job! ::smiles::
- Robomen, incidentally . . . when I first heard of them, I thought they were Cybermen, but under a different name. I wonder if they were a prototype or maybe an indirect inspiration for the Cybermen. Hmm . . . just a theory.
- Barbara Wright driving a bus, with Daleks all around her, then SMASHING RIGHT THROUGH A WHOLE LINE OF THEM. THIS WOMAN IS MORE THAN A MATCH FOR A MOTORISED DUSTBIN, SO WATCH OUT! That, to me, is one of her finest moments as a companion & one of the best moments in all of Classic!Who - at least that I've seen!
- Another thing I loved about this serial was how Ian & Barbara got to use their skills in science & history to fuck about with the Daleks to quite an impressive degree. Barbara's confusing of the Daleks with her knowledge of history is my favourite of the two personally, but Ian has his moments of awesome by screwing about with the wires & the bomb. Ian? AWESOME. & Barbara too! They were an amazing pair & equally amazing, if initially reluctant, companions.
- LOLZ AT THE SLAVES & ROBOMEN FLIPPING OVER THE DALEKS & TOSSING THEM AROUND! ::dies:: BEST SHIT EVER.
- I've been having a super fun, super long conversation with![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
nentari recently & among the things we've talked about is One's era, & how Susan changed from her early serials so much by her final story. Some of the things I've said there, I've said there & vice versa, mostly about Susan & about her final scene with her grandfather - okay, I'm going to get a bit long-winded now, so get comfy!
- Susan's final scene with her grandfather, where he tells her he's double-locked the doors & she won't be able to get in, & what follows, is, quite possibly, one of the saddest moments I've seen during my Classic!Who viewing. One's final words to her are very poignant, beautiful & very saddening, all at once. All through this serial, I knew that when he was with her, he could see that she was growing up & that it was time to set her free to have her own life, with David, on his Earth & to help rebuild it.nentari mentioned the possibility of One having made the choice with the help & advice of Ian & Barbara, which I fully agree with. I feel that by then, the three of them had enough respect & a solid enough friendship, if that's the right word, to ask for their advice & for their opinions.
Even before that was brought up, I got the sense the first time I saw it that the two of them knew he was going to leave Susan with David. They knew & they agreed with his choice to do so, even though they would all miss her. But I think they all knew it was her time. She'd grown into a brave young woman, a far different girl than they'd first met at Coal Hill School & I think they also knew (& trusted) that David would love & take care of her, & that she would be fine on her own, without them or her grandfather.
I also brought up the notion that perhaps, part of One's choosing to leave Susan with David was because I think he knew, or had some idea of what might, or what would happen to him if the Time Lords eventually caught up to him. His punishment, when they finally did, was incredibly severe & I wondered if he left her there to keep her safe from what they would possibly do to her - she'd chosen to go with him, she'd chosen to break the law of never interfering, as her grandfather did. If his punishment - forced regeneration, partial destruction of his TARDIS, indefinite exile & memory wiping of both himself & of his two companions - was so harsh, what would Susan's have been then? She was a Time Lady, or near enough to one, I think, for the Time Lords to make an example of her & the Doctor.
My exact wording was this: '& now that I think about it (mostly because I remember someone saying this is perhaps why Four left Sarah Jane on Earth when he was recalled back to Gallifrey & I thought it might apply here), perhaps that was also a factor (albeit it could have been a small one) in why One wanted Susan to stay behind with David - the Time Lords forced the Doctor into his third regeneration after taking Jamie & Zoe from him; what would they have done with Susan, who I would surmise, made the choice on her own, to go with her grandfather? I feel like her punishment might have been similar, if not worse, for choosing to go as well. Or perhaps instead of a forced regeneration, her own memories of her grandfather might have been wiped from her mind & she just would have been sent back to life on Gallifrey without ever knowing the things she'd done with him.'
We agreed that could definitely have been part of One's reasoning, as well as for Susan's own happiness.
- & a small sidebar: Since the first FOUR times I've seen The Dalek Invasion of Earth (yes, four. I had a lot of extras to watch!), I've since watched The Stolen Earth & all but the last twenty minutes of Journey's End, I actually see a fair few parallels between all three stories, aside from the obvious. Ten, in The Stolen Earth, says 'Someone once tried to move the Earth before', referencing this serial, the Daleks order all Earth people out into the streets to be used as test subjects, & there are companions sneaking onboard the main ship of the Daleks. I think there may be a few other things, but those are the ones I remember the best now.
O. & the leaving of a companion. Twice in Journey's End, but only one is a halfway happy ending. Susan's is a bittersweet, but hopeful, promising ending. Rose's was more a closure. & Donna's shouldn't have happened at all. It was like the endings of both The War Games & The Dalek Invasion of Earth mashed up into New!Who stew . . . not always a good thing.
- One's last words to Susan break my heart. I cried the first time I watched this serial & I still get a little teary-eyed when I talk about it. So I'll transcribe it here. Mostly for myself, but hey, maybe you might want to remember it yourself sometime.
'Listen, Susan, please. I've double-locked the doors; you can't get in. Now move back, child, where I can see you. During all the years, I've been taking care of you, you in return have been taking care of me. You're still my grandchild, and always will be. But now, you're a woman too. I want you to belong somewhere. To have roots of your own. With David, you'll be able to find those roots. Live normally like any woman should do. Believe me my dear, your future lies with David, and not with a silly old buffer like me. One day, I shall come back. Yes, I shall come back. Until then, there must be no regrets, no tears, no anxieties. Just go forward in all your beliefs, and prove to me that I am not mistaken in mine. Goodbye Susan. Goodbye, my dear.'
& the final shot of her TARDIS key on the ground . . . it's heartbreaking. Hopeful, because Susan will be amazing & go on to do splendid things, but at a price. But she grew up so much by then, & it was time for her to make a life of her own.
(& yes, just waiting to hear it is bringing tears to my eyes. I don't care, it's a beautiful ending.)
The Time Meddler
- I loved the opening of this serial, even though it had a fair tint of sadness to it, as it's the one right after Barbara & Ian leave the TARDIS. But I loved how kind & warm One was with Vicki, even though they were both saddened by the loss of their two friends.
- He mentioned Susan. ♥ I still think, no matter how far he regenerates, he'll never stop missing her. I almost want her to show up in a new regeneration of her own in the new series, with Eleven.
- I love Vicki already & I've just got one serial with her. I think she's sweet, gutsy, brave & very adorable. & I really loved her interaction with One - I got a real sense of mutual care & respect between them, something I didn't get with One, Barbara & Ian until The Dalek Invasion of Earth. Also, he seems to have vastly softened in his overall demeanour from when I saw him with Susan. Not that I don't think he wasn't kind to her, or that he didn't care for her, but here, I just feel like his capacity for caring has increased quite a bit.
& I loved how he offered to return her home & said that he didn't want her to stay because of him. I thought that was a lovely reveal for how far One came from An Unearthly Child & his early stories, or, at least, the ones I've seen.
- LOLZ AT STEVEN'S ENTRANCE. I haven't met Steven until now, but I think he's funny. & I feel like he's the opposite of Vicki - more impetuous & reckless, while I find her more calm & level-headed & the one more inclined to think things through.
(also WTFPANDA? OMG, PANDA? IRIS WILDTHYME'S PANDA, IS THAT YOU?)
- I remembernentari mentioning this in a great discussion we've been having - that it might have been Barbara's influence that made One more kinder & less bitchy toward other humans. (well, it was SOMETHING like that, just not in those words!) I completely agree, & I did even during The Dalek Invasion of Earth - I think her kindness & personality (& her bond with Susan) helped to make One more open toward others, instead of putting up a cool, high-minded front that I perceived from him when I met him first.
- Steven's scepticism is a bit refreshing - not as sharp as Ian's was, & not as offhand as Harry's was. Steven's just like 'HELL NO, THIS IS NOT A TIME MACHINE' & Vicki & One are all, 'WE GOIN' PROVE YOU WRONG, PAL.' ::giggles:: I like it.
- Man, just one serial without them & I miss Barbara & Ian. I loved them; they're definitely favourite companions of mine, especially Barbara!But now they can get married!
- LOLZ ONE THREW TEA AT THE MEDDLING MONK! FTW, BITCHES, ONE FTFW.
- I like how proactive a companion Vicki is - definitely different from Susan, but I don't mean that to reflect badly on Susan, mind you. Steven's a lot more blunt & sharp, I think, but I like him still!
- I didn't know that Douglas Camfield directed this story - he also directed one of my favourite Troughton-era serials, namely The Invasion. I may have to seriously get this on DVD. (almost did a few times, but I was worried I'd hate it & feel like I'd wasted my money.)
- Ooo, it it just my imagination, or did One just break the rules & tell a Saxon their eventual future? If he did . . . screw the rules, that was a very kind thing for him to do!
- Vicki continues to be take-charge & awesome all through this story. I APPROVE.
- 'I have a Winchester '73 right in the middle of your spinal cord.'
ONE, YOU ARE SERIOUSLY BADASS, EVEN WITH A STICK. ILU, SIR!
- I liked the role reversal between Vicki & Steven when they can't find the TARDIS - Vicki gets upset, while Steven becomes the calmer one, but Vicki isn't completely stripped of her sparkiness, I think. She's upset, worried, but she also doesn't want to believe that the TARDIS is gone. I still love her. ♥
- One is sharper than a shard of glass in this, I must say! He's always sharp, of course, but his shrewdness is even more apparent in this, I think. I'm really enjoying watching him put all the pieces together in this.
- The Meddling Monk keeps reminding me of Patrick Troughton in this . . . he even looks a bit like him, I think. It's weird.
- O. My. Word! I knew the Meddling Monk was a renegade like the Master & the Rani, but still, seeing that he has a TARDIS! Even if I was getting to that idea, it was still a shock to see! I LOVE THIS SERIAL, WHY DID I THINK I WOULDN'T.
- One calls him a 'time meddler' - but he's still a Time Lord, yes? Just more on the Master-Rani side of the spectrum than on the Doctor-Iris Wildthyme side.
- Also noted that the Meddling Monk refers to a chameleon circuit as a camouflage circuit' - is that the first time that something like that is mentioned in the series? It seems like it is, but I don't know for sure, of course.
- Ooo, the Doctor is pretty touchy about his Type-40 - the Meddling Monk's got a Mark Four & he's not impressed or willing to admit his is a bit outdated. Hee!
- There's just one moment, where One asks Steven to get a pencil & paper out of the Monk's TARDIS & when he smiles . . . I can see Two in him, right at that very second. Almost like seeing his future, in a way. ♥♥ One's AWESOME.
- & in conclusion? One > the Monk, One is more badass than he looks (TRUST me on this, those of you that have yet to meet him!) & Vicki & Steven are some kickass companions & very deserving of travelling with the Doctor. & this serial was fucking awesome & I have so many thankyous tonentari for giving it to me as an extra - you were right, love - the interaction between One, Vicki & Steven was great! (I HAVE to get this on DVD now.)
The War Machines
(watched as I recapped - so it might be a bit incoherent or a bit scattered!)
- First thing - interesting title sequence - I wonder if that was in the original broadcast, or if it was done for the DVD release. V. ominous & futuristic.
- Hmm, Dodo never met the Daleks? Wow. Just a bit surprised on that. Also, just in the few minutes that I'm watching, I like Dodo's interactions with One. & I don't mind One introducing her as his secretary - too much. Good enough to stave off questions, but it seems a bit stereotypical at the same time. (I would have gone for 'associate' or 'scientific assistant' myself.)
- POLLY!!! HER DRESS!! O, miss Polly, you're beautiful before I even know your name. ♥ & HEE! She makes silly faces & she's a great typist!
- Polly? IS AWESOMESAUCE. Mod dresses, knowing all the best clubs of 60s London, friends named Kitty & BEN. & the Duchess stands up for herself too! & just in the short time she's had so far, she seems rather nicely fleshed out, not cardboard or like a stock character that just gets lucky to meet the Doctor & Dodo. She's shown as having a life outside of work, as having a sense of humour & that she's just overall friendly. I like her a lot as a character & knowing she's a future companion is even better.
(&nentari, I do see what you said about Polly's motherly tendencies - she's got them in spades, I'd say. & I like that as another dimension of her character.)
- OMG, BEN IS CLEARLY SO SMITTEN BY POLLY RIGHT OFF THAT HE'LL RISK A FIGHT FOR HER HONOUR. ♥♥ & also, I quite like Ben already; he's sweet when he mopes a bit & he's a gentleman! (& I do have a bit of a fondness for sailors . . . . like Harry Sullivan, William Bush, Horatio Hornblower . . . . ::whistles terribly & giggles::) & he's DANCING with her! O, Ben. If you think you aren't crushing on Polly already, you're just kidding yourself.
- I haven't mentioned the WOTAN yet, but as the antagonist of the serial, I think this could get interesting. & o dear, mind control over Dodo?! WOTAN'S days are numbered, right here & now.
(& I did note that this was from an idea from Kit Pedler, who created my all-time favourite villains - the Cybermen. So I have a fair amount of faith in this story already)
- This is a note mostly for myself, but I definitely will have to rewatch this serial more often for the fashion, clothes & makeup - it's all v. sixties & quite mod. Maybe we'll soon see Polly on the list of my fashion inspirations!
- Teehee, Polly doesn't like her new moniker just yet. & OMG FAB GEAR! (which I've seeeeecretly incorporated into my vocabulary, but I've been waiting til I hear it to use it) Yes, One does have some fab gear, doesn't he? But so do Zoe, Polly & Jo! & Three, Four & Eight, definitely, if we're talking Doctors!
- Mind control by computers . . . o goodness. & the fact that they've got Dodo doesn't make me too comfy. ::bites thumbnail::
- I'm definitely seeing the Kit Pedler influence here - WOTAN'S mind control over humans puts me in mind of the way Cybermen were able to invade via taking out humans by way of technology in The Invasion.
- WHOA, THEY CALLED HIM DOCTOR WHO OFFICIALLY & CANATONICALLY.
- Polly's v. pragmatic in addition to being a fun sort of girl. Level head & great personality . . . no, not going to stop gushing about her or Ben anytime soon!
- POLLY MAKES THEIR FIRST DATE!! This girl is a v. forward thinking one, isn't she? & yay, Ben accepted! (as though he wouldn't!)
- One continues being totally bloody badass in this serial & he hasn't even taken on the WOTAN yet. But One just carries his badassery like his spectacles - everywhere!
(it's kind of funny - when I first saw One in An Unearthly Child, I wasn't too sure if I would like him at all. But after these three serials, I really think I do like him. He's snarky, sharp & eventually kinder in future serials. Perhaps One is just one of those Doctors that you can't right off form an opinion about from a few serials, or his first ones, because he undergoes so many changes before his regeneration. I never hated him, or severely disliked him, however, I was just sort of on the fence as to whether I liked him or if he was a Doctor I could watch, but not have a lot of feeling or a lot to say about, like I do Four or Three.)
- Lovin' on the Duchess's hat & dress when she takes over as secretary for Sir Charles! & her casual offence at Dodo's abruptness.
- William Hartnell ROCKS the telephone scene, seriously. Damn well owns that scene, really.
- So, Dodo's off to the country . . . I have a feeling that was her complete departure as a companion now. If it is? Yeah, that's a messy way of doing it, I think. Messy & too loose an end.
- The voice of WOTAN sounds really familiar . . . maybe it's just me, but I'd swear, I'd heard that voice somewhere else before.
- Hello Ben! ::waves:: GREAT coat, the the way. So far, Ben hasn't let me down, or even caused me to lose interest in what he does onscreen - I hate taking my eyes away to type this properly! & I suppose it comes with being a sailor & all, but I think it's very brave of him to help the Doctor out - he could have just said no, but he didn't. He wants to help. Even if it has nothing to do with Polly, he still wanted to help.But you know he's worried about Polly.
- Another thing? Ben is fast on his feet, even when faced with something he doesn't understand, save for that he's going to get killed! BEN♥
- O FUCKING NO WAY, YOU BITCHES DID NOT HYPNOTISE POLLY, YOU FUCKING DIDN'T. & may I just say that the scene with Ben being captured & Polly under total hypnosis was really kind of frightening? Especially seeing them get into a physical fight & her being equal in her ferocity with him.
& DUDE. I just met Ben & already seeing him in such a panicked state frightens me, it really rather does. & I'm scared for Polly - BITCHES ARE GETTING SHANKED FOR HYPNOTISING HER, JUST YOU WATCH.
& how does she stay so beautiful even after getting into a tussle with Ben?! I AM SO JEALOUS!
- Mechanised evolution . . . yes, that's Kit Pedler right there. It's almost a verbal precursor to the Cybermen & what they are - the next stage in human evolution, human 2.0. - & this serial is actually a bit chilling, I have to say.
- Evil!Polly? It's scaring me. Like, 'run & hide' scaring me. Polly, please, come back to your senses!
- I blush to admit I'm eyeing Ben in just that jumper of his - I can't fancy him; I fancy too many companions already!
- I want Polly's dress. It's beautiful! Like her, even after a fight & lifting heavy machine parts. HOW DOES SHE DO IT?!
- WHOA! GO BEN FOR ESCAPING! ::cheers:: & gah, he's in such a state . . . I want to cuddle him & clean his face up a bit now. ::hugs him::
- Polly's breaking through her mind control! Come on, Duchess, you can do it! Fight, fight!
- One really believes in Ben & is very confident in his assessment of his character. & I definitely agree with him. Ben has a lot of strength of character & he's tough. If One is so solidly believing of him, then so am I. (of course, not that I didn't feel that way about him before, but now I really do. He's gelling with me as a character & as a future companion, he really is.)
- the war machines' firearms are a bit reminiscent of Dalek weaponry . . . I wonder if that was done on purpose or budgetary.
- Ha, I love how everyone runs, but One just stands there like, 'Bring it on, bitches. I'm ready.' ONE, WHY SO AWESOME, SERIOUSLY?
- One, if you get any more badass, my television will explode. BUT STILL, KEEP IT UP!
- Regarding One decoding & figuring out the war machine's programming & how many others they are & when they were supposed to attack?
ONE. ILU. WHY DOES NO ONE RESPECT YOU LIKE THEY SHOULD THESE DAYS?
- I'm falling in love with this serial, totally. & the hallmarks of Kit Pedler are everywhere, but they still remain considerably distinct from The Invasion. (I do know that The Tenth Planet was the official first début for the Cybermen & I do have it, but I haven't seen it yet, so I can't say anything for it)
- ♥♥♥ Ben & all his bravery.
- Now Ben's on something of a damn suicide mission to save Polly. DUDE, BEN/POLLY CANNOT BE DENIED & ANYONE WHO DOES SO IS A BIT BLIND.
- Hmm. The ending felt a bit anticlimatic to me. Ben getting Polly the fuck out of there before the war machine blew up WOTAN was great, but . . . I don't know, it just felt like it was missing something. It was good, but could have been better.
- ::sigh:: Yes, Dodo's departure was rather ham-fisted, I think. She could have at least made one last appearance to say goodbye herself.
- Polly's latest outfit is sharp! & yay for Ben in uniform! (♥♥) & oooo, looks like Ben & Polly are off with One now - without an invitation! This could get interesting, eh? ::grins::
Next three serials will be the recon of The Smugglers, The Tenth Planet (One ----> Two & then the great & mighty Troughton rewatch-athon really begins!) & The Power of the Daleks.
I hadn't planned on including The Dalek Invasion of Earth originally, as I'd wanted to see The Aztecs first, so I could get to know Susan a bit better before seeing her final serial, but I figured, what the hell? I was going to start with a bit of the Hartnell-era first anyway, so I tossed it in. (but I may get to see The Aztecs soon!)
So here we are with recaps of the first three serials!
The Dalek Invasion of Earth
- The first thing I got as soon as Ian, Barbara, Susan & One stepped out of the TARDIS was definitely a feeling of mutual respect & possibly friendship between One, Ian & Barbara - much stronger than it was at the end of The Edge of Destruction. I would say he's definitely changed, as they have, from their initial adventures with him & Susan.
- Susan's childlike side seems to come out a bit here, just as all the bits of the bride fall in front of the TARDIS. I think it's a nice contrast to who she becomes later throughout the story. & her interactions with One were very sweet.
- The interaction between Ian & One is great during their scenes in the warehouse. They've become fairly equal, I would say. One is no longer as condescending to Ian as he was originally, & actually listens to him as well. Far different from their first interactions.
- The scenes where Susan's being carried off & Barbara running after the man who found her in front of the TARDIS was very beautifully shot, I thought. It was almost cinematic, in a way & even bit comical, as Susan's being carried one way above Barbara, who's running just underneath where she is.
- I remember hearing a little about this serial before I'd ever chose to see it, & that it did seem to be influenced by the Second World War, as it was just two decades before the serial was conceived, & the scenes of Barbara running through such desolate, overgrown, fenced off places in London really do have that feel, as well as the cinematic feeling of the scenes beforehand. Those are some of my favourite parts of the whole serial.
- Hmm. I was a bit underwhelmed by the Dalek coming out of the water, for some reason. I'd seen that bit before & flipped out a bit, but seeing it in context just sort of underwhelmed me. Not sure why, but Ian & One's reactions are the best bit of that segment, I think.
- On the first viewing, I didn't like Jenny very much. Afterwards, I grew to like her more, especially in her scenes with Barbara later on.
- One still runs the domain of AWESOME, even on Dalek-infested Earth. ::grins:: Who else but him would figure out how to get out of a Dalek holding cell?
Though I am surprised he wasn't a bit more suspicious of why the Daleks would leave a key of sorts in there with prisoners - I would have thought he'd guess it a trap, but his other ideas about it proved to be valid, so I guess I have no real leg to stand on, regarding his not knowing it was a trap.
- I really loved Susan in this serial - I've seen four with her, but this, I feel, was her best out of all of them. She was so much less a screaming, worrying, whiny girl, & more of a fighting, brave, grown-up young woman in this. I felt that she really asserted herself as a Time Lady, & as more than just the Doctor's granddaughter & as a child.
& of course . . . her beginning relationship with David, but we'll get to that later on.
- Well, since I mentioned it, let's get there - I really liked David. He was one of my favourite characters of the story & I truly loved his relationship with Susan. I believed in it as it progressed & I loved the fish scene - it's playful, sweet & a light bit sexy, even. & their kiss! & then One came back & sort of spoiled it all. But how cute was David trying to seem totally innocent when One returned? ::giggles:: I really enjoyed watching their feelings for each other develop in all of their scenes together.
- I must admit, seeing One laid out under that machine that makes Robomen is something of a chilling, slightly disconcerting image to leave off on. Which means it was a good job! ::smiles::
- Robomen, incidentally . . . when I first heard of them, I thought they were Cybermen, but under a different name. I wonder if they were a prototype or maybe an indirect inspiration for the Cybermen. Hmm . . . just a theory.
- Barbara Wright driving a bus, with Daleks all around her, then SMASHING RIGHT THROUGH A WHOLE LINE OF THEM. THIS WOMAN IS MORE THAN A MATCH FOR A MOTORISED DUSTBIN, SO WATCH OUT! That, to me, is one of her finest moments as a companion & one of the best moments in all of Classic!Who - at least that I've seen!
- Another thing I loved about this serial was how Ian & Barbara got to use their skills in science & history to fuck about with the Daleks to quite an impressive degree. Barbara's confusing of the Daleks with her knowledge of history is my favourite of the two personally, but Ian has his moments of awesome by screwing about with the wires & the bomb. Ian? AWESOME. & Barbara too! They were an amazing pair & equally amazing, if initially reluctant, companions.
- LOLZ AT THE SLAVES & ROBOMEN FLIPPING OVER THE DALEKS & TOSSING THEM AROUND! ::dies:: BEST SHIT EVER.
- I've been having a super fun, super long conversation with
nentari recently & among the things we've talked about is One's era, & how Susan changed from her early serials so much by her final story. Some of the things I've said there, I've said there & vice versa, mostly about Susan & about her final scene with her grandfather - okay, I'm going to get a bit long-winded now, so get comfy!- Susan's final scene with her grandfather, where he tells her he's double-locked the doors & she won't be able to get in, & what follows, is, quite possibly, one of the saddest moments I've seen during my Classic!Who viewing. One's final words to her are very poignant, beautiful & very saddening, all at once. All through this serial, I knew that when he was with her, he could see that she was growing up & that it was time to set her free to have her own life, with David, on his Earth & to help rebuild it.
nentari mentioned the possibility of One having made the choice with the help & advice of Ian & Barbara, which I fully agree with. I feel that by then, the three of them had enough respect & a solid enough friendship, if that's the right word, to ask for their advice & for their opinions. Even before that was brought up, I got the sense the first time I saw it that the two of them knew he was going to leave Susan with David. They knew & they agreed with his choice to do so, even though they would all miss her. But I think they all knew it was her time. She'd grown into a brave young woman, a far different girl than they'd first met at Coal Hill School & I think they also knew (& trusted) that David would love & take care of her, & that she would be fine on her own, without them or her grandfather.
I also brought up the notion that perhaps, part of One's choosing to leave Susan with David was because I think he knew, or had some idea of what might, or what would happen to him if the Time Lords eventually caught up to him. His punishment, when they finally did, was incredibly severe & I wondered if he left her there to keep her safe from what they would possibly do to her - she'd chosen to go with him, she'd chosen to break the law of never interfering, as her grandfather did. If his punishment - forced regeneration, partial destruction of his TARDIS, indefinite exile & memory wiping of both himself & of his two companions - was so harsh, what would Susan's have been then? She was a Time Lady, or near enough to one, I think, for the Time Lords to make an example of her & the Doctor.
My exact wording was this: '& now that I think about it (mostly because I remember someone saying this is perhaps why Four left Sarah Jane on Earth when he was recalled back to Gallifrey & I thought it might apply here), perhaps that was also a factor (albeit it could have been a small one) in why One wanted Susan to stay behind with David - the Time Lords forced the Doctor into his third regeneration after taking Jamie & Zoe from him; what would they have done with Susan, who I would surmise, made the choice on her own, to go with her grandfather? I feel like her punishment might have been similar, if not worse, for choosing to go as well. Or perhaps instead of a forced regeneration, her own memories of her grandfather might have been wiped from her mind & she just would have been sent back to life on Gallifrey without ever knowing the things she'd done with him.'
We agreed that could definitely have been part of One's reasoning, as well as for Susan's own happiness.
- & a small sidebar: Since the first FOUR times I've seen The Dalek Invasion of Earth (yes, four. I had a lot of extras to watch!), I've since watched The Stolen Earth & all but the last twenty minutes of Journey's End, I actually see a fair few parallels between all three stories, aside from the obvious. Ten, in The Stolen Earth, says 'Someone once tried to move the Earth before', referencing this serial, the Daleks order all Earth people out into the streets to be used as test subjects, & there are companions sneaking onboard the main ship of the Daleks. I think there may be a few other things, but those are the ones I remember the best now.
O. & the leaving of a companion. Twice in Journey's End, but only one is a halfway happy ending. Susan's is a bittersweet, but hopeful, promising ending. Rose's was more a closure. & Donna's shouldn't have happened at all. It was like the endings of both The War Games & The Dalek Invasion of Earth mashed up into New!Who stew . . . not always a good thing.
- One's last words to Susan break my heart. I cried the first time I watched this serial & I still get a little teary-eyed when I talk about it. So I'll transcribe it here. Mostly for myself, but hey, maybe you might want to remember it yourself sometime.
'Listen, Susan, please. I've double-locked the doors; you can't get in. Now move back, child, where I can see you. During all the years, I've been taking care of you, you in return have been taking care of me. You're still my grandchild, and always will be. But now, you're a woman too. I want you to belong somewhere. To have roots of your own. With David, you'll be able to find those roots. Live normally like any woman should do. Believe me my dear, your future lies with David, and not with a silly old buffer like me. One day, I shall come back. Yes, I shall come back. Until then, there must be no regrets, no tears, no anxieties. Just go forward in all your beliefs, and prove to me that I am not mistaken in mine. Goodbye Susan. Goodbye, my dear.'
& the final shot of her TARDIS key on the ground . . . it's heartbreaking. Hopeful, because Susan will be amazing & go on to do splendid things, but at a price. But she grew up so much by then, & it was time for her to make a life of her own.
(& yes, just waiting to hear it is bringing tears to my eyes. I don't care, it's a beautiful ending.)
The Time Meddler
- I loved the opening of this serial, even though it had a fair tint of sadness to it, as it's the one right after Barbara & Ian leave the TARDIS. But I loved how kind & warm One was with Vicki, even though they were both saddened by the loss of their two friends.
- He mentioned Susan. ♥ I still think, no matter how far he regenerates, he'll never stop missing her. I almost want her to show up in a new regeneration of her own in the new series, with Eleven.
- I love Vicki already & I've just got one serial with her. I think she's sweet, gutsy, brave & very adorable. & I really loved her interaction with One - I got a real sense of mutual care & respect between them, something I didn't get with One, Barbara & Ian until The Dalek Invasion of Earth. Also, he seems to have vastly softened in his overall demeanour from when I saw him with Susan. Not that I don't think he wasn't kind to her, or that he didn't care for her, but here, I just feel like his capacity for caring has increased quite a bit.
& I loved how he offered to return her home & said that he didn't want her to stay because of him. I thought that was a lovely reveal for how far One came from An Unearthly Child & his early stories, or, at least, the ones I've seen.
- LOLZ AT STEVEN'S ENTRANCE. I haven't met Steven until now, but I think he's funny. & I feel like he's the opposite of Vicki - more impetuous & reckless, while I find her more calm & level-headed & the one more inclined to think things through.
(also WTFPANDA? OMG, PANDA? IRIS WILDTHYME'S PANDA, IS THAT YOU?)
- I remember
nentari mentioning this in a great discussion we've been having - that it might have been Barbara's influence that made One more kinder & less bitchy toward other humans. (well, it was SOMETHING like that, just not in those words!) I completely agree, & I did even during The Dalek Invasion of Earth - I think her kindness & personality (& her bond with Susan) helped to make One more open toward others, instead of putting up a cool, high-minded front that I perceived from him when I met him first.- Steven's scepticism is a bit refreshing - not as sharp as Ian's was, & not as offhand as Harry's was. Steven's just like 'HELL NO, THIS IS NOT A TIME MACHINE' & Vicki & One are all, 'WE GOIN' PROVE YOU WRONG, PAL.' ::giggles:: I like it.
- Man, just one serial without them & I miss Barbara & Ian. I loved them; they're definitely favourite companions of mine, especially Barbara!
- LOLZ ONE THREW TEA AT THE MEDDLING MONK! FTW, BITCHES, ONE FTFW.
- I like how proactive a companion Vicki is - definitely different from Susan, but I don't mean that to reflect badly on Susan, mind you. Steven's a lot more blunt & sharp, I think, but I like him still!
- I didn't know that Douglas Camfield directed this story - he also directed one of my favourite Troughton-era serials, namely The Invasion. I may have to seriously get this on DVD. (almost did a few times, but I was worried I'd hate it & feel like I'd wasted my money.)
- Ooo, it it just my imagination, or did One just break the rules & tell a Saxon their eventual future? If he did . . . screw the rules, that was a very kind thing for him to do!
- Vicki continues to be take-charge & awesome all through this story. I APPROVE.
- 'I have a Winchester '73 right in the middle of your spinal cord.'
ONE, YOU ARE SERIOUSLY BADASS, EVEN WITH A STICK. ILU, SIR!
- I liked the role reversal between Vicki & Steven when they can't find the TARDIS - Vicki gets upset, while Steven becomes the calmer one, but Vicki isn't completely stripped of her sparkiness, I think. She's upset, worried, but she also doesn't want to believe that the TARDIS is gone. I still love her. ♥
- One is sharper than a shard of glass in this, I must say! He's always sharp, of course, but his shrewdness is even more apparent in this, I think. I'm really enjoying watching him put all the pieces together in this.
- The Meddling Monk keeps reminding me of Patrick Troughton in this . . . he even looks a bit like him, I think. It's weird.
- O. My. Word! I knew the Meddling Monk was a renegade like the Master & the Rani, but still, seeing that he has a TARDIS! Even if I was getting to that idea, it was still a shock to see! I LOVE THIS SERIAL, WHY DID I THINK I WOULDN'T.
- One calls him a 'time meddler' - but he's still a Time Lord, yes? Just more on the Master-Rani side of the spectrum than on the Doctor-Iris Wildthyme side.
- Also noted that the Meddling Monk refers to a chameleon circuit as a camouflage circuit' - is that the first time that something like that is mentioned in the series? It seems like it is, but I don't know for sure, of course.
- Ooo, the Doctor is pretty touchy about his Type-40 - the Meddling Monk's got a Mark Four & he's not impressed or willing to admit his is a bit outdated. Hee!
- There's just one moment, where One asks Steven to get a pencil & paper out of the Monk's TARDIS & when he smiles . . . I can see Two in him, right at that very second. Almost like seeing his future, in a way. ♥♥ One's AWESOME.
- & in conclusion? One > the Monk, One is more badass than he looks (TRUST me on this, those of you that have yet to meet him!) & Vicki & Steven are some kickass companions & very deserving of travelling with the Doctor. & this serial was fucking awesome & I have so many thankyous to
nentari for giving it to me as an extra - you were right, love - the interaction between One, Vicki & Steven was great! (I HAVE to get this on DVD now.)The War Machines
(watched as I recapped - so it might be a bit incoherent or a bit scattered!)
- First thing - interesting title sequence - I wonder if that was in the original broadcast, or if it was done for the DVD release. V. ominous & futuristic.
- Hmm, Dodo never met the Daleks? Wow. Just a bit surprised on that. Also, just in the few minutes that I'm watching, I like Dodo's interactions with One. & I don't mind One introducing her as his secretary - too much. Good enough to stave off questions, but it seems a bit stereotypical at the same time. (I would have gone for 'associate' or 'scientific assistant' myself.)
- POLLY!!! HER DRESS!! O, miss Polly, you're beautiful before I even know your name. ♥ & HEE! She makes silly faces & she's a great typist!
- Polly? IS AWESOMESAUCE. Mod dresses, knowing all the best clubs of 60s London, friends named Kitty & BEN. & the Duchess stands up for herself too! & just in the short time she's had so far, she seems rather nicely fleshed out, not cardboard or like a stock character that just gets lucky to meet the Doctor & Dodo. She's shown as having a life outside of work, as having a sense of humour & that she's just overall friendly. I like her a lot as a character & knowing she's a future companion is even better.
(&
nentari, I do see what you said about Polly's motherly tendencies - she's got them in spades, I'd say. & I like that as another dimension of her character.)- OMG, BEN IS CLEARLY SO SMITTEN BY POLLY RIGHT OFF THAT HE'LL RISK A FIGHT FOR HER HONOUR. ♥♥ & also, I quite like Ben already; he's sweet when he mopes a bit & he's a gentleman! (& I do have a bit of a fondness for sailors . . . . like Harry Sullivan, William Bush, Horatio Hornblower . . . . ::whistles terribly & giggles::) & he's DANCING with her! O, Ben. If you think you aren't crushing on Polly already, you're just kidding yourself.
- I haven't mentioned the WOTAN yet, but as the antagonist of the serial, I think this could get interesting. & o dear, mind control over Dodo?! WOTAN'S days are numbered, right here & now.
(& I did note that this was from an idea from Kit Pedler, who created my all-time favourite villains - the Cybermen. So I have a fair amount of faith in this story already)
- This is a note mostly for myself, but I definitely will have to rewatch this serial more often for the fashion, clothes & makeup - it's all v. sixties & quite mod. Maybe we'll soon see Polly on the list of my fashion inspirations!
- Teehee, Polly doesn't like her new moniker just yet. & OMG FAB GEAR! (which I've seeeeecretly incorporated into my vocabulary, but I've been waiting til I hear it to use it) Yes, One does have some fab gear, doesn't he? But so do Zoe, Polly & Jo! & Three, Four & Eight, definitely, if we're talking Doctors!
- Mind control by computers . . . o goodness. & the fact that they've got Dodo doesn't make me too comfy. ::bites thumbnail::
- I'm definitely seeing the Kit Pedler influence here - WOTAN'S mind control over humans puts me in mind of the way Cybermen were able to invade via taking out humans by way of technology in The Invasion.
- WHOA, THEY CALLED HIM DOCTOR WHO OFFICIALLY & CANATONICALLY.
- Polly's v. pragmatic in addition to being a fun sort of girl. Level head & great personality . . . no, not going to stop gushing about her or Ben anytime soon!
- POLLY MAKES THEIR FIRST DATE!! This girl is a v. forward thinking one, isn't she? & yay, Ben accepted! (as though he wouldn't!)
- One continues being totally bloody badass in this serial & he hasn't even taken on the WOTAN yet. But One just carries his badassery like his spectacles - everywhere!
(it's kind of funny - when I first saw One in An Unearthly Child, I wasn't too sure if I would like him at all. But after these three serials, I really think I do like him. He's snarky, sharp & eventually kinder in future serials. Perhaps One is just one of those Doctors that you can't right off form an opinion about from a few serials, or his first ones, because he undergoes so many changes before his regeneration. I never hated him, or severely disliked him, however, I was just sort of on the fence as to whether I liked him or if he was a Doctor I could watch, but not have a lot of feeling or a lot to say about, like I do Four or Three.)
- Lovin' on the Duchess's hat & dress when she takes over as secretary for Sir Charles! & her casual offence at Dodo's abruptness.
- William Hartnell ROCKS the telephone scene, seriously. Damn well owns that scene, really.
- So, Dodo's off to the country . . . I have a feeling that was her complete departure as a companion now. If it is? Yeah, that's a messy way of doing it, I think. Messy & too loose an end.
- The voice of WOTAN sounds really familiar . . . maybe it's just me, but I'd swear, I'd heard that voice somewhere else before.
- Hello Ben! ::waves:: GREAT coat, the the way. So far, Ben hasn't let me down, or even caused me to lose interest in what he does onscreen - I hate taking my eyes away to type this properly! & I suppose it comes with being a sailor & all, but I think it's very brave of him to help the Doctor out - he could have just said no, but he didn't. He wants to help. Even if it has nothing to do with Polly, he still wanted to help.
- Another thing? Ben is fast on his feet, even when faced with something he doesn't understand, save for that he's going to get killed! BEN♥
- O FUCKING NO WAY, YOU BITCHES DID NOT HYPNOTISE POLLY, YOU FUCKING DIDN'T. & may I just say that the scene with Ben being captured & Polly under total hypnosis was really kind of frightening? Especially seeing them get into a physical fight & her being equal in her ferocity with him.
& DUDE. I just met Ben & already seeing him in such a panicked state frightens me, it really rather does. & I'm scared for Polly - BITCHES ARE GETTING SHANKED FOR HYPNOTISING HER, JUST YOU WATCH.
- Mechanised evolution . . . yes, that's Kit Pedler right there. It's almost a verbal precursor to the Cybermen & what they are - the next stage in human evolution, human 2.0. - & this serial is actually a bit chilling, I have to say.
- Evil!Polly? It's scaring me. Like, 'run & hide' scaring me. Polly, please, come back to your senses!
- I blush to admit I'm eyeing Ben in just that jumper of his - I can't fancy him; I fancy too many companions already!
- I want Polly's dress. It's beautiful! Like her, even after a fight & lifting heavy machine parts. HOW DOES SHE DO IT?!
- WHOA! GO BEN FOR ESCAPING! ::cheers:: & gah, he's in such a state . . . I want to cuddle him & clean his face up a bit now. ::hugs him::
- Polly's breaking through her mind control! Come on, Duchess, you can do it! Fight, fight!
- One really believes in Ben & is very confident in his assessment of his character. & I definitely agree with him. Ben has a lot of strength of character & he's tough. If One is so solidly believing of him, then so am I. (of course, not that I didn't feel that way about him before, but now I really do. He's gelling with me as a character & as a future companion, he really is.)
- the war machines' firearms are a bit reminiscent of Dalek weaponry . . . I wonder if that was done on purpose or budgetary.
- Ha, I love how everyone runs, but One just stands there like, 'Bring it on, bitches. I'm ready.' ONE, WHY SO AWESOME, SERIOUSLY?
- One, if you get any more badass, my television will explode. BUT STILL, KEEP IT UP!
- Regarding One decoding & figuring out the war machine's programming & how many others they are & when they were supposed to attack?
ONE. ILU. WHY DOES NO ONE RESPECT YOU LIKE THEY SHOULD THESE DAYS?
- I'm falling in love with this serial, totally. & the hallmarks of Kit Pedler are everywhere, but they still remain considerably distinct from The Invasion. (I do know that The Tenth Planet was the official first début for the Cybermen & I do have it, but I haven't seen it yet, so I can't say anything for it)
- ♥♥♥ Ben & all his bravery.
- Now Ben's on something of a damn suicide mission to save Polly. DUDE, BEN/POLLY CANNOT BE DENIED & ANYONE WHO DOES SO IS A BIT BLIND.
- Hmm. The ending felt a bit anticlimatic to me. Ben getting Polly the fuck out of there before the war machine blew up WOTAN was great, but . . . I don't know, it just felt like it was missing something. It was good, but could have been better.
- ::sigh:: Yes, Dodo's departure was rather ham-fisted, I think. She could have at least made one last appearance to say goodbye herself.
- Polly's latest outfit is sharp! & yay for Ben in uniform! (♥♥) & oooo, looks like Ben & Polly are off with One now - without an invitation! This could get interesting, eh? ::grins::
Next three serials will be the recon of The Smugglers, The Tenth Planet (One ----> Two & then the great & mighty Troughton rewatch-athon really begins!) & The Power of the Daleks.
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- characters: ben jackson,
- characters: ian chesterton,
- lovers: ben/polly,
- lovers: ian/barbara,
- lovers: susan/david,
- obsessions: doctor who,
- one's some snarky win right there bitch!,
- polly wright the cybermen slayer,
- susan goes forth in her beliefs,
- the great&mighty troughton rewatch-athon
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Date: 2009-05-14 02:06 pm (UTC)reconsrecaps! (ugh, I can't write) And so many mentions of yours truly. :P *is flattered*Well, here are my two cents:
The interaction between Ian & One is great during their scenes in the warehouse. They've become fairly equal, I would say. One is no longer as condescending to Ian as he was originally, & actually listens to him as well. Far different from their first interactions.
And also Ian treats the Doctor with more admiration and respect than he did at the beginning, when his reaction to him was (understandably) quite hostile.
Hmm. I was a bit underwhelmed by the Dalek coming out of the water, for some reason.
I have the feeling it's one of those things that worked better back when it first aired, and people only knew him from their first serial, where they were confined to their citadel and their mobility was limited to metallic surfaces. Anyone with knowledge of that would react just like One and Ian.
On the first viewing, I didn't like Jenny very much. Afterwards, I grew to like her more, especially in her scenes with Barbara later on.
I'm surprised how well-developed Jenny turned out, considering that she's a replacement character added in rewrites. Originally, her lines belonged to Dortmun's 12-year-old daughter Saida, who was to replace Susan aboard the TARDIS at the end of this serial, but when the powers that be decided Saida was perhaps a bit too young for their needs they created Vicki instead and wrote a 2-parter serial (The Rescue) to introduce her, and replaced Saida with Jenny.
Barbara Wright driving a bus, with Daleks all around her, then SMASHING RIGHT THROUGH A WHOLE LINE OF THEM.
She actually CRUSHED ONE OF THEM under a wheel! Now here's a scene to rub on the faces of all those who think '60s female companions are screamers who need to be rescued all the time.
also WTFPANDA? OMG, PANDA? IRIS WILDTHYME'S PANDA, IS THAT YOU?
*laughs* No, that's Hi-Fi, Steven's mascot. You know how all pilots, from racers to air force pilots, have mascots as good luck charms? Well, since Steven was a space pilot, he had Hi-Fi. :)
(incidentally, Hi-Fi will make a guest cameo in my fics at some point)
Interestingly, I've read three EDAs featuring Iris, but there's no panda in them. She has an orange talking poodle at some point (and Fitz drooling all over her) but no panda. Must be an audio thing. :P
One calls him a 'time meddler' - but he's still a Time Lord, yes? Just more on the Master-Rani side of the spectrum than on the Doctor-Iris Wildthyme side.
He is a Time Lord, yes, but since he's also an insufferable meddler... But he's not evil per se, though he was clearly willing to kill to achieve his goals (even if his plan was to achieve peace) and in his return to the show he allied himself with some truly evil creatures.
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Date: 2009-05-15 06:29 am (UTC)& it WAS your gentle nudge that got me to add The Dalek Invasion of Earth to the lineup & the GREAT (& ongoing!) conversations we're having. I don't know if I can think on anyone else who'd be willing to discuss this sort of minutiae with me. ::snuggles you::
And also Ian treats the Doctor with more admiration and respect than he did at the beginning, when his reaction to him was (understandably) quite hostile.
Yes indeed! They're a lot friendlier with each other as well; I noted it the best when they where in the Daleks' cell together & working on getting the door open. & I loved that One by then was turning to & including Ian in things he could most likely do himself, but still wanted or maybe needed just that extra bit of help. He's definitely become more accepting of him (& Barbara) since their first meeting. :D
(& odd little sticky note: I loved how Ian says 'You know, sometimes you astound me, Doctor.' & how One doesn't get all, 'WELL DUH, I SHOULD, I'M THE DOCTOR MY DEAR BOY', but just accepts it politely & gets back to the matter at hand. Another little layer of how One has changed from the very first story. & Ian, too, perhaps?)
I have the feeling it's one of those things that worked better back when it first aired, and people only knew him from their first serial, where they were confined to their citadel and their mobility was limited to metallic surfaces.
Agreed. I loved them in The Daleks (even if I was bloody well falling asleep toward the end - good serial, but it's SO slow & long-winded, I think) & I do feel that seeing them in their natural habitat was a bit more uncomfortable than seeing one sort of randomly pop out of the water. I got the effect that the bit was tring to achieve, but it just didn't really work on me. (maybe that's also because Cybermen freak me out a fair bit more than Daleks do.
Shh! Don't tell Terry Nation! ::giggles::)I'm surprised how well-developed Jenny turned out, considering that she's a replacement character added in rewrites. Originally, her lines belonged to Dortmun's 12-year-old daughter Saida, who was to replace Susan aboard the TARDIS at the end of this serial, but when the powers that be decided Saida was perhaps a bit too young for their needs they created Vicki instead and wrote a 2-parter serial (The Rescue) to introduce her, and replaced Saida with Jenny.
Once again, I must agree. On subsequent viewings, I really came to like her as a character & because I was actually typing all of this up WHILE rewatching it with production notes on, I was rather impressed how solid a character she ended up being, since she was a replacement for another, most-likely more developed character.
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She actually CRUSHED ONE OF THEM under a wheel! Now here's a scene to rub on the faces of all those who think '60s female companions are screamers who need to be rescued all the time.
I'LL DRINK TO THAT! ::downs sparkly cider:: You know, someone ought to collect all the moments of the classic sixties companions & their moments of sheer AWESOME & resourcefulness, meta upon it a bit & share it about fandom sometime. DOWN WITH THE STEREOTYPICAL 'SCREAMERS WHO CAN'T HELP THEMSELVES' IDEA!
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Date: 2009-05-15 06:32 am (UTC)*laughs* No, that's Hi-Fi, Steven's mascot. You know how all pilots, from racers to air force pilots, have mascots as good luck charms? Well, since Steven was a space pilot, he had Hi-Fi. :)
(incidentally, Hi-Fi will make a guest cameo in my fics at some point)
Interestingly, I've read three EDAs featuring Iris, but there's no panda in them. She has an orange talking poodle at some point (and Fitz drooling all over her) but no panda. Must be an audio thing. :P
HEE! Ahhhh, I get it now! & I DID hear him mention being a space pilot, but I guess I hadn't thought that fast when I heard it - Hi-Fi's so cute! (I love pandas, so Steven gets a big thumbs-up for his choice of mascot!)
& hmm, in Iris's audios, Panda belongs to or lives with a former companion of hers, so maybe he never was Iris's. Must research this . . .
(& OMG, she was in her Barbarella!Iris phase when she met Eight & Fitz, wasn't she? ::giggles:: I don't blame him!)
He is a Time Lord, yes, but since he's also an insufferable meddler... But he's not evil per se, though he was clearly willing to kill to achieve his goals (even if his plan was to achieve peace) and in his return to the show he allied himself with some truly evil creatures.
I actually made a mental spectrum of where all the known renegades would fall this morning - I was walking to the bus, you see - & I decided he, like Iris is more in the shady, grey, in-between, but a few levels darker than her, near the Master & the Rani, but still far enough not to be considered pure evil. Iris likes to drink & have fun, so she would be in the lighter spectrum, away from the Doctor & Susan. The Meddling Monk is further away from her, in the deepening shades of grey, as he isn't ultimately out to kill the Doctor, just screw around with history & can be far less scrupulous than the Doctor, but he still has scruples, unlike the Master & the Rani.
& how many serials did he feature in? I really liked him as another sort of opposite to the Doctor & I'd love to locate more of his stuff, if it survived.
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Date: 2009-05-15 01:15 pm (UTC)He's definitely become more accepting of him (& Barbara) since their first meeting. :D
Wait until you see The Aztecs. One and Barbara are so snuggly together at times it almost feels as if Ian and Cameca should be worried. :P His relationship with Ian and Barbara did evolve wonderfully.
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The set has already been released in the UK and it's been resting in my wish list ever since it became available for pre-order, but I haven't ordered it yet because it's a bit too expensive for me right now; I'll wait until the price drops a bit.
You know, someone ought to collect all the moments of the classic sixties companions & their moments of sheer AWESOME & resourcefulness, meta upon it a bit & share it about fandom sometime.
Yes, now that's a thought. Only all the moments put together would make for hours of material.
(& OMG, she was in her Barbarella!Iris phase when she met Eight & Fitz, wasn't she? ::giggles:: I don't blame him!)
Yes, she was. *grins* And in their next encounter (the one with the talking poodle) she had turned into a Shirley Bassey lookalike - only she was Scottish instead of Welsh.
I decided he, like Iris is more in the shady, grey, in-between, but a few levels darker than her, near the Master & the Rani, but still far enough not to be considered pure evil.
Yes, I think that makes a lot of sense.
& how many serials did he feature in? I really liked him as another sort of opposite to the Doctor & I'd love to locate more of his stuff, if it survived.
Unfortunately, the only other serial he was in was The Daleks' Master Plan; he must have been in about 2 or 3 episodes of that, of which only the last one survives (it's in the Lost in Time set). In this, the Monk allies himself with
Tobias VaughnMavic Chen and the Daleks, but I get the feeling he's only doing it to save his own skin. There's a great moment in which he bluffs his way out of getting killed together with Steven and Sara, turns to the other two and says something like "Aren't you going to thank me? I've just saved us all" and Sara looks at him with a face that seems to shout "BITCH ARE YOU FOR REAL?"no subject
Date: 2009-05-17 06:49 am (UTC)HEE! I have been DYING to see The Aztecs ever since I read about it, in my early days of Classic!Who love - ONE GETS ENGAGED! & Barbara gets to wear the lovely Aztec goddess outfit! & incidentally, one of my favourite moments between One & Barbara is when he takes her hand at the end of The Edge of Destruction - it's SO cute & it's such a huge step, all in one little gesture. If I wasn't fully sold on Ian/Barbara, I might have been all, 'EEE, ONE/BARBARA!' ::giggles::
The set has already been released in the UK and it's been resting in my wish list ever since it became available for pre-order, but I haven't ordered it yet because it's a bit too expensive for me right now; I'll wait until the price drops a bit.
WHAT IT'S ALREADY IN THIS WORLD?! ::flops:: (& a few days ago, another friend told me that The Deadly Assassin was just released in the UK - I have NO clue when it comes out here & I AM DYING TO SEE IT.) ARGH, why must all pretty things be so expensive? D: Hopefully you CAN get it soon, though.
You know, someone ought to collect all the moments of the classic sixties companions & their moments of sheer AWESOME & resourcefulness, meta upon it a bit & share it about fandom sometime.
Yes, now that's a thought. Only all the moments put together would make for hours of material.
Indeed it would, but those are some hours I think this fandom as a WHOLE could use, from time to time. ;)
Especially the new series crowd . . . ::coughs::Yes, she was. *grins* And in their next encounter (the one with the talking poodle) she had turned into a Shirley Bassey lookalike - only she was Scottish instead of Welsh.
POODLE! :D & after a few moments of memory, I think Panda actually lived with a former companion of HERS - a fellow named Tom, I believe. I don't know WHERE he came from though; I assumed he was Iris's & left with Tom, but hmm, may have to research this further . . .
Fitz/Barbarella!Iris, anyone? Or, better yet, Eight/Fitz/Barbarella!Iris, anyone?& our talk of where the best-known renegades of Gallifrey lie on a good-evil spectrum makes me want to make a graph to illustrate this . . . no, no, I will not give in, no no NO . . . aw, hell, maybe I should?
Unfortunately, the only other serial he was in was The Daleks' Master Plan; he must have been in about 2 or 3 episodes of that, of which only the last one survives (it's in the Lost in Time set). In this, the Monk allies himself with
Tobias VaughnMavic Chen and the Daleks, but I get the feeling he's only doing it to save his own skin. There's a great moment in which he bluffs his way out of getting killed together with Steven and Sara, turns to the other two and says something like "Aren't you going to thank me? I've just saved us all" and Sara looks at him with a face that seems to shout "BITCH ARE YOU FOR REAL?"DARN! Well, that's ANOTHER reason for me to find that set! (I STILL haven't found it; I might have to order it like I did with Tomb of the Cybermen) & DUDE. After your mere DESCRIPTION of Sara's face when he says that makes me want to meet her even more now! SARA, I DON'T EVEN KNOW YOU & I THINK YOU'RE PRETTY COOL! :D
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Date: 2009-05-17 09:08 am (UTC)Yes, I feel that Edge of Destruction is the turning point in the Doctor's relationship with Ian and Barbara. Things became considerable warmer after that.
WHAT IT'S ALREADY IN THIS WORLD?! ::flops::
Yes, first it's released in Region 2 DVDs in the UK, and then they recode it to Region 1 so that it can be watched on American DVD players. The different DVD regions annoys me, as it makes availability more difficult.
Hopefully you CAN get it soon, though.
I think I might go for Trial of a Time Lord first - it's a complete season (a 14-episode story!) and right now it's costing as much as The Rescue/The Romans at Amazon.uk.
& after a few moments of memory, I think Panda actually lived with a former companion of HERS - a fellow named Tom, I believe. I don't know WHERE he came from though; I assumed he was Iris's & left with Tom, but hmm, may have to research this further . . .
I'm afraid I can't be of much help there. In the EDAs she mentions her companions (and I have the feeling the name Tom is dropped at some point), but apart from the poodle she's companionless in the stories she appears in.
& our talk of where the best-known renegades of Gallifrey lie on a good-evil spectrum makes me want to make a graph to illustrate this . . . no, no, I will not give in, no no NO . . . aw, hell, maybe I should?
DO IIIIIT.
DARN! Well, that's ANOTHER reason for me to find that set!
Another reason (as I'm sure it will interest you) is The Crusade, which is featured the same way as The Moonbase, with the missing episodes being featured in their audio-only form. It has Vicki disguised as a boy, and Jean Marsh playing a small role as Richard Lionheart's sister Joanna - which means that, since she also played Sara in The Daleks' Master Plan and Morgaine in Battlefield, that Jean is one of the strongest recurring actresses in Who. (an interesting bit of trivia: Jean was married to Jon Pertwee when she played Joanna and Sara)
And Richard Lionheart is played by Julian Glover, who later on played Count Scalioni in City of Death.
& DUDE. After your mere DESCRIPTION of Sara's face when he says that makes me want to meet her even more now! SARA, I DON'T EVEN KNOW YOU & I THINK YOU'RE PRETTY COOL! :D
Sara is just made of awesome, yes. Here are a couple of screencaps I just took:
Sara is not impressed by the Monk's bullshit.
And here's the "BITCH ARE YOU FOR REAL?" face.
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Date: 2009-05-18 08:21 am (UTC)Couldn't agree more. Especially the ending, just as it leads into Marco Polo - you can tell things between the three of them are about to change for the better. :D
Yes, first it's released in Region 2 DVDs in the UK, and then they recode it to Region 1 so that it can be watched on American DVD players. The different DVD regions annoys me, as it makes availability more difficult.
Being sensible!Saffron aside, ARGH, WHY MUST IT TAKE SO LONG?! & why do we even NEED different region coding AT ALL? If we didn't have it, I'd probably have Blake's 7 & Emmerdale Farm already. Silly coding! ::pout::
I'm afraid I can't be of much help there. In the EDAs she mentions her companions (and I have the feeling the name Tom is dropped at some point), but apart from the poodle she's companionless in the stories she appears in.
You helped anyway! Now I can wait til I get to the EDAs properly instead of running around, scrolling up & down pages looking for Panda mentions. :D
& tomorrow, you may just get that graph. ;) (Trust me, graphing Gallifreyan renegades can EASILY be done, even on a Monday for me. ::giggles::)
Another reason (as I'm sure it will interest you) is The Crusade, which is featured the same way as The Moonbase, with the missing episodes being featured in their audio-only form. It has Vicki disguised as a boy, and Jean Marsh playing a small role as Richard Lionheart's sister Joanna - which means that, since she also played Sara in The Daleks' Master Plan and Morgaine in Battlefield, that Jean is one of the strongest recurring actresses in Who. (an interesting bit of trivia: Jean was married to Jon Pertwee when she played Joanna and Sara)
And Richard Lionheart is played by Julian Glover, who later on played Count Scalioni in City of Death.
My coherence just went out the window after reading that, so I'll just say I NEED TO HAVE THIS. P, & ::FLAILFLAIL:: ^-^
& yay screencaps! a) SARA IS GORGEOUS. SERIOUSLY. ::sigh:: & b) LOLZ AT THE SECOND ONE! You KNOW that's exactly what she's thinking; she's just way too polite to say it! :P
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Date: 2009-05-18 10:09 am (UTC)Tell me about it. I had to buy a multi-region DVD player so that I could have Monty Python's Flying Circus on DVD, since at that time it unexplainably only existed in an American release even though it's a British show. Of course, afterwards it for an European release. *rolls eyes*
Trust me, graphing Gallifreyan renegades can EASILY be done, even on a Monday for me. ::giggles::
Well, if you think about it, it's not as if it's an extensive list, is it? Though I feel you should wait until The War Games before you make a final version of that graph.
b) LOLZ AT THE SECOND ONE! You KNOW that's exactly what she's thinking; she's just way too polite to say it! :P
Indeed. Her exact words were "WHAT?!?", but I really think there were some swearwords missing. :P
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Date: 2009-05-21 07:41 pm (UTC)UGGGGH! I've considered getting a multi-region DVD player SO I can get DVDs from the UK & a few from Japan, but I think I'm too cheap to commit, alas. (& I can't even think how'd I'd afford to get any of those pretty DVDs. D:)
Well, if you think about it, it's not as if it's an extensive list, is it? Though I feel you should wait until The War Games before you make a final version of that graph.
::grins:: True. & so, I shall! :D
O, Sara. WHY HAVE I NOT MET YOU YET? I MUST see that scene!
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Date: 2009-05-21 09:00 pm (UTC)I know what you mean. The price of American DVDs is not that high over here, but those of the Japanese ones are scary. But since I have no idea if my player can reproduce those, I think maybe it's for the best that I'm scared off by the price.
What I feel is especially unfair is that there are some DVDs with a Region 0 decoding, which are meant to be played anywhere - only when I looked at the fine print in one of my R0 discs, it stated "this DVD can be reproduced in players of any region except America". Apparently there's something else besides the DVD coding that will stop them from working properly.
O, Sara. WHY HAVE I NOT MET YOU YET? I MUST see that scene!
Also, the scene in episode 5 with the trampoline and Hartnell pulling silly faces, right? ;)