(sounds of laughter shades of earth are ringing through my open mind inciting & inviting me)

[riverdresses]

I think this is the damn hardest I've worked on my recaps in . . . well, maybe it's the first time! I recapped The Ice Warriors Wednesday, started The Enemy of the World yesterday morning & spent the evening recapping it & The Web of Fear. I am about to fall the hell over from exhaustion (I also went to the laundry today & learnt that my basket is much heavier to carry than I thought it was!) & I think I even fell asleep during part of The Web of Fear. ::bashes head on things::

The Ice Warriors: stories one through three

- Hmm. The opening of the beginning story reminds me a bit of The Great Space Elevator, with it beginning in a control room & an emergency in progress.

- O DUDE, THAT VOICE IS SERIOUSLY FREAKY. ::shudders::

- Let's see, excavating something you have no idea about from its coffin of ice . . . I don't see that ending well, do you?

- So far, each audio or story I've recapped lately, has a mention of the previous story. Since this comes after The Abominable Snowmen, I'm surmising that Jamie & Victoria are still dressed in their outfits from that story, which is why they seem a bit more acclimated to the cold.

- Aww. Victoria thinks the mansion inside the dome is just like her home. ♥

- O dear - that was a bit of a close test for Two I must say!

- Also, he seems rather doubtful of the computers being able to come up with a satisfactory solution.

- 'Uh, Victoria.'

'What?'

'Did you see how those lassies were dressed?'

'Yes I did. And trust you to think of something like that.'

'Well, I couldn't help thinking about it.'

'Well, I think it's disgusting. Wearing that kind of . . . thing.'

'Oh, so it is, so it is. You - you don't see yourself dressed like that then?'

'Jamie!'

'Oh, I'm sorry - it was just an idea.'

'We will now change the subject, Jamie.'

::dies:: Jamie, you are such a boy!

- O dear . . . that thing in the ice is now rather alive . . . & in the same room as Jamie & Victoria!

- LOLZ TWO CAN DO WHAT IT TOOK A WHOLE ACADEMY OF SCIENTISTS YEARS TO DO IN A FEW SECONDS.

- IT TOOK VICTORIA?!

- Meep - she's been kidnapped by a Martian? This seems very King Kong-esque . . . but at least whatever this thing is, it's not hurting her . . . yet.

- This creature is actually quite intelligent, I must say. It's a bit frightening.

- & seriously, that computer has a very chilling voice.

- For some reason, I like the idea of living in a botanical museum. It seems rather romantic in a way.

- Miss Garrett seems . . . well, not the most competent of people at her job, I think. Or maybe I'm just imagining that.

- 'Your regulations do not apply to me. I work in my own way - freely.'

TWO♥♥♥♥

- I hate Clent. He's arrogant & hides behind rules, regulations & is too full of himself to admit failure. & I want to whack Miss Garrett in the head on a few occasions as well.

- Two resents his work being checked by that silly computer! ::laughs:: Well, in fairness, if I were as bright as Two, I might also resent that.

- WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP SHOOTING AT JAMIE?!

- O, he's alive! ::breathes::

- 'I'm not sure if I trust your judgement yet, Doctor.'

'What, because I'm only human? Well as a matter of fact -'

::smiles to herself::

- O, poor Jamie. He doesn't sound at all well. ::cuddles him:: & yet, he's still terribly worried for his miss Victoria!

- When Victoria tells Two about Jamie & Arden, Two quite honestly sounds like someone just sucker punched him in the face. I mean, you can hear his panic & worry for Jamie in just a few words. ::wrings hands::

Stories four through six

- O, Victoria, get out of the way! ::screams::

- FUCK YOU CLENT, THE WARRIORS ARE MORE IMPORTANT! ::slaps him::

- ::gigglesnorts:: Two used some mad fancy science box to get himself a glass of water! ::laughs:: O, Two. ::pets::

- Two, you are a crazy, insane bastard. & I salute all of your crazy bravery just the same. Just . . . be careful up there.

- Victoria's bravery, even when she's so scared, is staggering. I would have been a cowering wreck.

- NO, NO EXPLODING!TWO PLZ.

- Two's quite a level-headed creature with these creatures, isn't he? I'm impressed! (I, not being calm myself at times, admire it in others.)

- Jamie quoted Shakespeare! He's becoming quite the scholar & I'm not being sarcastic in saying that.

- . . . you're just going to leave Two & Victoria for dead?! YOU. BASTARD.

- YOU SON OF A BITCH YOU JUST SHOT AN UNARMED MAN & A WOUNDED BOY! YOU . . . I CAN'T . . . YOU BASTARDS! ::is currently incoherent with range:: YOU SHOT TWO UNARMED MEN, ONE OF WHOM COULDN'T EVEN WALK. YOU LOW, DECEITFUL, COWARDLY DISHONOURABLE BASTARDS!

& Miss Garrett doesn't get off easily either - you bitch, ordering guards on the both of them - what threat can Jamie even pose to you? He can't work your silly machines, & he can't even walk! BITCH! ::shoves her off a cliff along with Clent::

I rather hope the BOTH of them get eaten by bears.

- I kind of love Two & Victoria's diversion tactic. ::grins::

- GO VICTORIA! ::waves pompoms::

- Is it bad that I want the Ice Warriors to blow Clent to little bits? Along with Miss Garrett?

- Miss Garrett is proving herself as bad as Clent when it comes to listening to that bloody, useless, stupid machine! & THAT BITCH IS JUST AS RUTHLESS AS HE IS! KILL HER, KILL HER!

- O, Two's idea seems to have worked, with minimal damage to the people, it seems.

- I WILL KILL MISS GARRETT, I SWEAR. How thick & useless can she be?!

- Miss Garrett & Clent - the most useless people in command I have ever seen. I have no words for their idiocy. It renders me speechless.

- & with the Ice Warriors incapacitated, Two, Jamie & Victoria make a quiet escape - hopefully to somewhere far less cold & hostile in the future. Or . . . well, you never know with the Doctor, do you?

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I found this quite a fun serial, I have to say! Though I think I would have enjoyed it more if I'd been able to watch it, as I really felt like it was a serial made to be watched, rather than just talked about or listened to, though you can do both just fine. I was a little dismayed by Clent & Miss Garrett NOT being eaten by bears/killed by the Ice Warriors/shanked in the ribs by one pissed off Highlander/blown to pieces, however, but ah, that's life. They'll get theirs one day. ::nods::

I must admit, I worried terribly for Victoria in this serial - she was in such a frightening position, but she still found the strength to keep going & to help Two, despite her absolute terror. I'm proud of her for that. ♥

Now, we're getting to what is one of my absolute favourite serials of the Two era - The Enemy of the World. Sadly, only one episode of it survived, which I get to include in my recap along with the audio! I'm quite happy to be recapping this one; I've waited ages to get to it!

(& it'll help ease the pain when I get to Fury From the Deep. I hope.)

The Enemy of the World - stories one through two

- O, lovely! A beach for a change! A sunny one, even! & Two wants buckets & spades & he's even playing in the ocean!

- 'Some crazy nut dancing a jig!'

How apt for Two. ::giggles::

- WHAT TWO WAS DANCING ABOUT IN HIS UNDERTHINGS IN THIS SERIAL AS WELL AS IMPERSONATING A MEGALOMANIAC? & THEY BURNINATED IT?! ::SCREAMS::

But Two dancing in his underwear in the sea! A lovely image, really. Someone should paint it.

- He had his clothes off - HOW COULD THEY BURN IT? ::cries::

- What's with the shooting?! Do people not like underdressed space beatniks dancing in the ocean?

- 'They're human beings if that's what you mean; indulging their favourite pastime - trying to destroy each other.'

- JAMIE! ::swoons:: How brave you are to take on a man with a gun in your face! ::happy sighs::

- & here's the best introduction to a supporting character, like, possibly ever - Astrid Ferrier, riding in on her helicopter to pick up Two, Jamie & Victoria! ASTRID, YOU'RE ALREADY AWESOME. & apparently, she's a damn good pilot! ::thumbs up::

- I love Two's concern for Astrid's arm & his firm insistence on her letting him take care of it.

- 'What law? Who's philosophy?'

::giggles:: Aww, Two. & Astrid trying to guess what kind of doctor he is!

- Um, sudden moment of Patrick Troughton & his lovely voice!porn talents. ::fans self:: (who knew the words 'anything, anything at all' could be so sexy?)

- Hmm. I find it interesting that Two's ready to walk out on Astrid, but Jamie's the only one wanting to listen & see what they could do to help.

- WHOA! IT'S AN ASTRID ATTACK! What a capable miss!

- O, SHIT. Dying in an helicopter explosion is . . . that's seriously grim.

- '. . . on ice, shall we say.'

The Ice Warriors reference!

- O my . . . the first appearance of Salamander - or his voice, at least. What a pretty, pretty voice. (you might want to get used to reading that.)

- 'I quite agree, Victoria! He seems to be a public benefactor! Quite a speaker too, and remarkably handsome, didn't you think so, Jamie?'

. . . . okay, COME ON, DO I HAVE TO SAY IT? (& Two's very right. Remarkably handsome.)

- I do so admire Two's ability to remain impartial & able to look at both sides of a conflict.

- ASDFVGBHJMK,L;LKJHGFDCSA FUCK FUCK GOOD GOD TWO PRACTISING SALAMANDER'S ACCENT OMG. ::collapses:: MORE, MORE, DARLING! ::waves hands::

(okay, I listened to it last night, but NO, THAT IS NOT GETTING OLD ANYTIME SOON. STILL HOT AS ANYTHING, CHRIST ALMIGHTY.)

- Goodness gracious . . . Two panicked quite a bit there! ::pets him & gives him tea:: I mean, that was a lot of panic he was having!

- 'What's the matter, can't you speak?'

'Don't shout at me!'

::glares:: I don't care much for who you are, you DON'T shout at miss Victoria Waterfield!

- You know, in some of Two's early serials, he did have a fondness for dressing up. Him impersonating Salamander = a much higher-stakes extension of that?

- 'McCrimmon you said?'

'Aye.'

'Well you just watch your step, that's all!'

'I've never said a word!'

'It must be the way you look, Jamie.'

- It's . . . strange. There's something different about Two & Victoria in this story - Two & Victoria, who in the past, were always the ones to want to help anyone in need, suddenly seem rather reticent to do so this time, while Jamie's the one trying to convince them to get involved. & Jamie knows that Two wouldn't walk away from a request like that & says so, despite Victoria's continuing nervousness & reluctance. Now Two, I don't know about, but . . . since I know things . . . I think Victoria's starting to show early signs that she's becoming tired of saving the world all the time & that she's reaching the end of her tether.

- & now, Salamander finally makes his first appearance! (yes, that was worthy of a note itself.)

- 'Disused yeti?'

'No, no, disused jetty'.

::laughs::

- Oooo . . . that bit with the wine is some creepy foreshadowing right there.

- JAMIE! Jamie, you crazy thing - o, wait, Astrid would have come up with this - but still, Jamie, that is quite a flashy way of getting into Salamander's service!

- When Jamie says Victoria's very pretty, I can imagine him smiling a bit when he does. & he calls her his girlfriend. First he says she's his friend, then he calls her his girlfriend. Hmm - pretty, then girlfriend - methinks Jamie's being a bit more honest about his feelings toward miss Victoria when undercover. I wonder what Victoria thought of being called that.

(or maybe he meant 'girl friend' & not 'girlfriend'. But knowing how Jamie feels about her, I'd lean toward 'girlfriend'. Victoria, however, might just be thinking of it as part of their cover - a couple on holiday & not anything else.)

- IT'S A KILT, NOT A SKIRT, THANKYOU.

- I have to say, as maddeningly, infuriatingly attractive as Salamander is, he still gives me chills. He's just that evil. & he's so casual & calm about it. He's utterly mad, heartless, power-hungry & a master of manipulating others . . . but goddammit, I still have a huge thing for him!

(if I don't go for the cute or somewhat mad ones, I fall for the evil ones. Hey, all of those have their charm!)

The Enemy of the World - episode three

- Moving into the only surviving serial for this bit of the first half . . . JAMIE IN THE BLACK RUBBER UNIFORM. That's always a pleasant way of opening a story I think. Don't you?

- Fuckery, can't take eyes off of Salamander now that I'm actually at episode three - how I'm even typing us a bit is a mystery.

- WHO CARES WHY HE'S DRESSED LIKE THAT, HE IS, & IT'S DELICIOUS.

- I liked Denes' sense of humour very much. He actually made me smile & forget . . . um, other things.

- Victoria in the kitchen! In Jamie's clothes, I SWEAR. There's something you don't expect of a lady of wealth & taste. ::laughs::

(& she really does look like she's wearing Jamie's clothes in this episode. I'd SWEAR she's wearing his kilt.)

- Hello Jamie & your rubber outfit, you're a pleasant sight to see. I hope Victoria appreciates it!

- ARGH DON'T START TAKING YOUR CLOTHES OFF WITHOUT A WARNING, JAMIE!

- Wait . . . there's an episode I'm supposed to be recapping here . . . um . . . o look, Two! ::hugs him::

(& Pat's hair in that scene is making me giggle.)

- Okay, the first time I saw the remnants of this serial, I was convinced that Peter Halliday was playing Benik. He isn't, but I totally thought he was then. Don't ask!

- O NO NOT THE CROCKERY SCENE! Gah, I HATE watching them smash up all of Kent's nice dishes & things - it makes me oddly uncomfortable & I just . . . ugh, I CANNOT stand watching that scene. It's weirdly upsetting to me.

- 'Sad, really, isn't it? People spend all that time making nice things, then other people come along and break them.'

I remember one of you peaches said in a comment how some folks have said that this particular line is, very sadly, quite true about the Troughton era as a whole - so many amazing episodes were made & so many great stories told, then the BBC came along & burninated them. I've never been able to hear that line quite the same ever since.

- O, hello Astrid, working a v. sexy & kickass, almost Avengers-esque look. ::waves::

- I love how Astrid just smiles when she's getting hit on, but she looks like she's thinking, 'Keep this up and I'll rip your head off and stuff it down near your intestines.' Astrid is megawatts of awesome, SRSLY.

- Have I ever mentioned that part of the reason I fucking adore this serial is the fantastic ability that Patrick Troughton has of playing two completely different leading characters in one story? & that's the short version! But just . . . ZOMG, he pulls off both roles deliciously & he makes it look so effortless - it's a gorgeous thing to watch. I can't even imagine how much work that must have been.

- O, one of my favourite Salamander moments has just arrived - the poisoned wine scene. I'm not sure why I love it so much, but I do. I think it's once again, that total frost-like, casually evil way Salamander has about killing someone - or it could be the accent, the wine, that bit about the moon not falling out of the sky & his switch from anger to being all 'O, IT'S TOTALLY OKAY THAT YOU COULDN'T KILL SOMEONE, HERE, HAVE A DRINK AND ALL WILL BE WELL!'

& that said . . . who the hell would take a drink from Salamander right after fucking up a job he gave you to do? Hell, if you ARE going to accept a drink from him, DON'T TURN YOUR DAMN BACK ON HIM, HE'S GOING TO POISON YOU. ::sighs:: Really, you'd think that would cross one's mind.

- 'One chance, my friend. I said one chance.'

The way Pat says that line, accent & all . . . o, it's delicious. ::faints:: (& that's another bit of this serial that I like.)

- OMFG JAMIE'S PACKING A REVOLVER. & right after the last scene?! Christ, this serial needs a warning label!

- ASTRID FERRIER = MORE AWESOME THAN YOU. (unless you're Jamie. Then it's JAMIE McCRIMMON = MORE AWESOME THAN YOU. Astrid can be second, because I seriously love her.)

- Okay, I had to pause for a moment to snap all of the above out & I landed on the cutest little pout Jamie's doing - actually, it's almost exactly like one nentari has of Frazer when he was in Emmerdale Farm - she calls it his 'channelling Pat' moment & if you see it? YOU KNOW HE TOTALLY IS.

Okay, going to unpause now, need to stop staring at the pouty Scottish boy in rubber with his jacket half-unzipped . . . really, hitting play again . . .

- Random fashion note: Patrick Troughton could pull a frilled shirt off rather well! I thought it was only Jon Pertwee who could do that. Also, I do love that side part. Side parts look good on everyone - even me, which is surprising. So they look good on everyone.

The Enemy of the World - stories four through six

- Back to audio now & WHOA, WHOA, Ferria & Astrid just about had a fistfight in Kent's office! Hot! But it looks like Astrid may have gained a new ally against Salamander.

- Poor Ferria. ::hugs her:: But damn, that girl comes prepared!

- . . . if Two says one more thing about 'evidence', as right as he is, I may slap him.

Um, actually, never mind. Forget I just said that. Two's kind of in the right here.

- JESUS CHRIST, ASTRID FERRIER IS ONE FIERCE CHICK! She's down for a fight when she needs to put one up & she's FAST when it comes to escape!

- FERRIA! They shot her! But she's holding out til the end - but . . . o, Ferria.

- Okay, Salamander & that bit with the stretcher absolutely creeped me the fuck out. Not even joking. Fucking creeped the hell out of me. I almost don't want to know what's under the base, or where he's gone.

- O my god. O MY GOD. I . . . he's - he's hiding people under the base? He's . . . he's beyond absolute madness. He's damn near close to the stuff of nightmares. & he's not even the Master.

- HE'S A LIAR! HE'S A LYING, COWARDLY MANIACAL PSYCHOPATH WHO'S PRACTICALLY KEEPING PEOPLE BURIED ALIVE UNDER HIS RESEARCH BASE! What - WHY, though?!

My brain hurts . . . wait. What.

WHAT.

WHAT THE FUCK.

He makes those poor people underground create natural disasters under the pretence of fighting a nonexistent enemy?

Okay, Salamander lost his mind a LONG time ago, didn't he?

- . . . Astrid's doing Two's makeup. TWO'S MAKEUP! Okay, one bright spot in this serial. I actually laughed a bit.

- ASTRID FERRIER, I FUCKING LOVE YOU. Marry me?

- JAMIE! VICTORIA! Okay, who's backside to I have to kick for drugging them? SPEAK UP!

- O, Two . . . you're mad. Wonderfully crazy, but I know you to be a good judge of character. Just . . . just watch your back, bb.

- As a side note, Salamander just officially made the third spot on my list of favourite Classic!Who villains. He's under the Cybermen as the top three best!

- He's a fucking madman. A sexy, fucking madman. & now even those poor people underground are about to learn that. (well, not the sexy part. Just the madman part.)

- Okay, Salamander? Is officially scaring the hell out of me. I need cuddles.

- O, Jamie, you're awake! & Victoria as well. ::clings::

- Benik, you put one hand on Victoria & Jamie will break. your. neck.

- See? He'll kill you, sadist.

- GET AWAY FROM VICTORIA YOU MADMAN! OR I'LL BREAK YOUR NECK!

- O, o, Two - Two, that wasn't the best time to break up right there! BUT IT'S OKAY, IT'S OKAY, THEY KNOW IT'S YOU! ::breathes & clings to Two::

- Another awesome thing about Astrid? She has common sense, in addition to bravery!

- Astrid's plan gets a full ten stars from me! ::beams:: Rock on, miss Astrid!

- & she's caring. Warm, feisty, kickass & caring. Astrid Ferrier would have made a fucking FABULOUS companion alongside Jamie & Two. She's really very Avengers-esque. Kind of like Emma Peel, dare I say? (I've never seen any of The Avengers, so I wouldn't know for sure.)

- Is it weird that I find Two impersonating Salamander dead sexy? 'cause I really, really do.

- o.fuck.me.with.a.spoon. This serial is just getting more & more frightening with every story. Not even kidding. Like 'shivers all up & down my spine from absolute TERROR' scary.

- It appears that our lady Astrid is organising herself a rebellion! ::waves pompoms::

- . . . even after all of this, Salamander's accent still sends shivers of the rather pleasant sort down my spine. Yes, I just called him a coward, a liar & a madman, but you CANNOT deny the attractive factors here. Well, I can't, anyway. You know me! ::grins::

- O MY WORD! Kent & Salamander were in this fucked up plan together?! I - I can't EVEN. EVEN. WORDS. I HAVE NONE, PEOPLE. NONE.

But that was possibly one of the best revealing of evil that I've seen since The Time Meddler. Seriously!

- JESUS CHRIST THAT ACCENT SHOULD NOT BE USED IN LOW, WHISPERY TONES. I HAVE JUST DIED FROM AURAL OVERLOAD.

- I think I'm falling in love with Astrid. ::heart eyes::

- O NO. NO. Jamie, Victoria, that isn't Two! It's Salamander! GET THE FUCK OUT OF THERE, NOW!

- UMF UMF UMF TWO & SALAMANDER IN THE SAME FUCKING ROOM TOGETHER O GOD I HAVE JUST - THEY'RE FIGHTING, OMG I'M DYING. HARD.

- & IT ENDS JUST THERE?! ::SCREAMS VERY LOUDLY::

(I can fix that, however. ::beams::)

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O, fuckery, people.

That serial . . . it melted my brain out of my ears & all down my shoulders from the intensity, the sexuality (shut your faces, it was SO there!), the sheer horror of what Salamander created & just . . . seriously. I fucking loved every.single.second. of it. I don't even think I've loved something so much since I heard the Eighth Doctor audio Zagreus. This was THAT good & it was just as intense, but not funny or cracky at all & it was possibly even scarier. (& Zagreus scared me a LOT!) I . . . omg. just ::flails hands everywhere:: I need to breathe now; I think I stopped breathing for about half this serial. This was incredibly, terrifyingly dark & it never once apologised for such darkness. Everyone had a side to them you weren't expecting, everyone had a deceit in the end. It was so topsy-turvy a serial it made my head spin at times. But it wasn't once silly or cute - it was just frightening.

(& I would call it stamped & sealed official that Salamander is now in my top favourite Classic!Who villains, like I said earlier. Number three, right under the Cybermen.)

& I'm still in fucking AWE of Patrick Troughton's work in this story - just fucking floored, man. He played two roles, one being disturbingly dark, & the other one being the hero of the story. He managed to play two leading characters in one story & I never lost interest once or thought he was losing it in places. He kept quite the pace up & it's just mind-boggling. Especially the ending, where Two & Salamander finally meet each other. I would KILL to see that footage & to see how Patrick pulled THAT off.

& just when I thought I couldn't heart him any more, I am SOUNDLY proven wrong. His range & his ability . . . it was amazing. Dizzying, even. I can't even imagine how much work it must have been to play two leading characters that were so different from each other - & that's putting it mildly!

Okay, I'll stop gushing & freaking out over this serial now; I've got another one to recap, but all I have to say are two things:

i. BITCHES DISRESPECTED THE HOUSE OF TROUGHTON BY BURNING THIS SERIAL. BADLY. & I DO NOT STAND FOR THAT.

ii. EVERYONE who hasn't seen this serial? GO FUCKING FIND A RECON OF IT OR FIND THE AUDIO - IT WILL BLOW YOUR MIND. TRUST ME.

& now, attempting to come down from the MASSIVE happy freakout behind the last cut, we come to our final serial of the week, The Web of Fear.

The Web of Fear - episode one

- NOW! When we ended The Enemy of the World, Salamander, while in a fight with Two, accidentally activated the dematerialisation lever. Long story short, TARDIS dematerialised with open doors, Salamander got sucked out (o, NOT a pretty way to die, I have you know) & Two, Jamie & Victoria are rolling around on the floor of the TARDIS.

- JAMIE'S WORKING THE CONSOLE! GO, BB, GO!

- Ah, all's safe again. But that was a pretty wild ride for the three of them!

- I do believe Edward Travers has made his second appearance in Doctor Who, along with his yeti, in a story set thirty - or possibly forty years after The Abominable Snowmen, apparently. (wow! Thirty years?)

- & with the yeti, the golden spheres have returned as well. I think this could be a good serial, folks!

- SHIT THE YETI'S ALIVE AGAIN! Kind of like something out of a Universal horror film.

- Hee, Two & Jamie are having a marital spat round of bickerbickerbicker, with sandwiches added in!

- Ooo, miss Victoria's playing with fashions in the wardrobe! Cute look miss Waterfield!

- Ugh, why are cobwebs forming around the TARDIS?!

- & Jamie & Victoria are working the TARDIS controls! ::squees::

- O, the scanner's clearing now!

- LOLZ TWO SAYS HOLD TIGHT & JAMIE IMMEDIATELY GRABS ONTO HIS SHOULDER.

- Wow, Victoria's dress is a fair bit shorter than I thought initially!

- ::quietly admires Jamie's sporran::

- WHAT THE HELL IS A YETI DOING IN THE UNDERGROUND?

- Two looks mighty pretty all scrunched up under the train platform.

- JESUS THEY NEARLY BLEW TWO UP!

The Web of Fear - stories two through four

- O, Jamie. ::holds him:: It wasn't your fault, please don't think that! Two's okay, truly!

- HEE! I love how Victoria recognises Travers right away, but Jamie doesn't!

- So they met Travers in 1935 Tibet . . . wow. I'd do the math, but I'm far too tired to think about maths now.

- O, Victoria! Even after what she went through before with the yeti, she's braving an encounter with them again to find her friends!

- & Jamie's not abandoning Two. Not ever. &Jamie;

- O, she found Two! ::breathes::

- ASDFGHJKL;'LKJHGFVDCSXZA HOLY CHRIST IT'S THE BRIGADIER! Or rather, Colonel Lethbridge-Stewart this time around! HELLO BRIG!

The Web of Fear - stories five through six

- Wait - how did the Intelligence take over Travers?!

- . . . . it wants Two's brain. IT WANTS HIS BRAINS! That is considerably frightening.

- The way Two says that Jamie & Victoria would have to look after him, if he let the Intelligence have his brain, is so heartbreaking for some reason. I mean, it's just so sad to hear him say.

- O! Victoria left a clue as to where she is - by way of her handkerchief! Just like how Jamie found her in The Evil of the Daleks.

- May I just take this morning to say that I really don't much like Evans? Well, I don't. There, said it.

- O SHIT. THE FUNGUS IS IN THE BASE NOW!

- Dislike of Evans is growing bigger & almost as fast as the fungus can spread . . . .

- For some reason, the fact that Two has a yeti of his own, more or less, is just giving me a great deal of lulz. ::giggles::

- Aww, Two's brought his lovely recorder out for a bit. I think I'm getting a fair bit attached to him playing it. ::smiles::

- LOLZ JAMIE'S CONTROLLING A YETI! Or rather, he thought he was. ::gigglesnort::

- I can't listen to this; it's too tense for me.

- O, JAMIE WAS CONTROLLING THE YETI! ::starts breathing very hard:: & he blew up the pyramid at the same opportunity!

- NO. Two, you didn't fail. You saved Jamie & Victoria & all of the others. & you stopped the yeti. No failure there, I promise.

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You know, I think that did turn out to be quite a nice serial. Granted it's possible I may have fallen asleep through part of it, but no matter - I did enjoy it. But it was with a heavy heart that I enjoyed it - after this, Victoria will be leaving soon. I'm not looking forward to that at all, so this audio, knowing it was one of her last two adventures with Two & Jamie, was a bit saddening a fact to keep in mind.

But this serial did bring us something lovely: the first appearance of the future Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart! & even in his first serial, he was still made of total awesome. I can't wait til I get to The Invasion. ::grins::

(& I still think the only way I managed to keep going & not just call it a night were the words 'promises to keep and miles to go before I sleep.')

& that's this week's round-up for the great & mighty Troughton rewatch-athon! Next week I'll be recapping Fury From the Deep (Victoria's final serial. ::sob::) The Wheel in Space (Zoe's first!) & Zoe's own Companion Chronicle Fear of the Daleks.

Previous recaps
The Dalek Invasion of Earth
The Time Meddler
The War Machines
The Smugglers
The Tenth Planet
The Power of the Daleks
The Highlanders
The Underwater Menace
The Moonbase
The Macra Terror
The Faceless Ones
The Evil of the Daleks
The Evil of the Daleks - audio version
Tomb of the Cybermen
The Great Space Elevator (Victoria's Companion Chronicle)
The Abominable Snowmen - audio & serial

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Since this comes after The Abominable Snowmen, I'm surmising that Jamie & Victoria are still dressed in their outfits from that story, which is why they seem a bit more acclimated to the cold.
Yes, they seem to be wearing the same clothes, only Victoria has a fur-trimmed cloak over her Edwardian outfit. *points to icon*

Aww. Victoria thinks the mansion inside the dome is just like her home. ♥
Well, it is a Georgian building, so it would fit her time period (the Georgian days having began around Jamie's time, since the Jacobite rebellion was against George II, and Queen Victoria being the Granddaughter of George III).

::dies:: Jamie, you are such a boy!
And we love him for it. :)

Miss Garrett seems . . . well, not the most competent of people at her job, I think. Or maybe I'm just imagining that.
I think she's meant to be a paragon of efficiency, but that damn blind faith the bloody computer ruins it. Frankly, I prefer her Seeds of Death counterpart, Miss Kelly, a million times over - not only is that one indeed a paragon of efficiency, but she's clearly a descendant of Margaret Houlihan.

My problem with the computer's voice is that I couldn't understand half of what it said. Again, I prefer the computer from Seeds of Death, which not only had a more human and understandable voice, but it tended to get grumpy and pouty when ordered to cancel an action.

YOU SON OF A BITCH YOU JUST SHOT AN UNARMED MAN & A WOUNDED BOY! YOU . . . I CAN'T . . . YOU BASTARDS! ::is currently incoherent with range:: YOU SHOT TWO UNARMED MEN, ONE OF WHOM COULDN'T EVEN WALK. YOU LOW, DECEITFUL, COWARDLY DISHONOURABLE BASTARDS!
See what I mean? That scene puts me in a KILLING RAGE.

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Yes, they seem to be wearing the same clothes, only Victoria has a fur-trimmed cloak over her Edwardian outfit. *points to icon*

O, I'd always wondered where her lovely cloak came from! She wears it quite well, I must say. It's v. pretty.

And we love him for it. :)

Of course! ::kisses him a la Sam::

I think she's meant to be a paragon of efficiency, but that damn blind faith the bloody computer ruins it. Frankly, I prefer her Seeds of Death counterpart, Miss Kelly, a million times over - not only is that one indeed a paragon of efficiency, but she's clearly a descendant of Margaret Houlihan.

EXACTLY. I would have believed her more efficient & in control if she'd acted like she'd had a mind of her OWN. WHY WASN'T SHE EATEN BY A BEAR?!
& now that I've seen The Ice Warriors, I'm TOTALLY looking forward to The Seeds of Death - & I'd like to meet Miss Kelly! :D

& I have to agree, I couldn't understand what the computer was saying half the time either - & it was creepy. So that was double plus ungood. :(

See what I mean? That scene puts me in a KILLING RAGE.

YES! ::snarls:: Which is why I was so pissed off that Clent & Miss Garrett never got a due punishment for that - I would have stolen Jamie's knife & attacked! Or just fed them to bears. But the first one is more active, I think.

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EXACTLY. I would have believed her more efficient & in control if she'd acted like she'd had a mind of her OWN.
Yes, that's the main difference between her and Miss Kelly. They both have an almost blind faith on something, but Miss Kelly nevertheless is able to think outside the box and has her own mind thank you very much - and, like Margaret, is not afraid of giving a piece of her mind to her superiors when she believes they deserve it.

& now that I've seen The Ice Warriors, I'm TOTALLY looking forward to The Seeds of Death - & I'd like to meet Miss Kelly! :D
She was the main reason why I was looking forward to this serial - I know the actress, Louise Pajo, from an Australian period drama called Carson's Law, in which she played Margery Carson, an ambitious woman who tries to encourage her wimp of a husband to affirm himself but always ends up doing it wrong, and who seems interested in nothing but her social status. Often I felt of hitting Margery with a plank the way I do with Miss Garrett, but as the story progressed and she began to mellow in some aspects I began to feel for her, to the point that I was delighted that she got a happy ending in the end (her husband became the senior partner in the family's law firm not because of her pestering him - at that point it was no longer her obsession - but because he had proven his valour - well, and his brothers being all dead by then also helped, but let's not dwelve in the matter; plus after losing the baby she was expecting and being told she could no longer have children, she managed to adopt a beautiful girl).
Anyway, when I got Seeds of Death, I told my father "You know, Margery Carson is in this!" and he replied "Really? Is she as much of a stupid bitch as in Carson's Law?" So I showed him the opening scene and he went "Wow, she's a good actress - that's not a stupid bitch at all!"

You know, I think I need to make an icon of her, with the words "Gia Kelly - made of awesome."

Which is why I was so pissed off that Clent & Miss Garrett never got a due punishment for that - I would have stolen Jamie's knife & attacked! Or just fed them to bears. But the first one is more active, I think.
I doubt the Doctor would have approved, though.

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Yes, that's the main difference between her and Miss Kelly. They both have an almost blind faith on something, but Miss Kelly nevertheless is able to think outside the box and has her own mind thank you very much - and, like Margaret, is not afraid of giving a piece of her mind to her superiors when she believes they deserve it.

Oooo, I like her already I think! ::smiles:: & well . . . nearly there now - or rather by next week, when I start on Zoe's time as a companion.

You know, I think I need to make an icon of her, with the words "Gia Kelly - made of awesome."

This will be lost on me until I MEET her, more or less, but I SAY DO IT. :D

I doubt the Doctor would have approved, though.

No, he wouldn't, would he? & I wouldn't want to disappoint him or make him particularly angry with me - so I suppose I'd have to keep all crazy violent urges under control, though THEY WERE ASKING FOR IT!

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& well . . . nearly there now - or rather by next week, when I start on Zoe's time as a companion.
Still a bit to go...

& I wouldn't want to disappoint him or make him particularly angry with me - so I suppose I'd have to keep all crazy violent urges under control, though THEY WERE ASKING FOR IT!
You should also keep in mind that they're armed, and if they had no problem shooting down an incapacitated boy just because he was distressed about his friend, then they would certainly have no problem shooting down someone who really wanted to kick their butts to kingdom come.

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What's with the shooting?! Do people not like underdressed space beatniks dancing in the ocean?
Not when they look like sexy Mexican megalomaniacs, they don't.

Quite a speaker too, and remarkably handsome, didn't you think so, Jamie?
*sniggers*

Goodness gracious . . . Two panicked quite a bit there! ::pets him & gives him tea:: I mean, that was a lot of panic he was having!
And you're still miffed because he didn't rescue you quickly enough? *pets him*

I wonder what Victoria thought of being called that.
"You Said I was your WHAT?!? James Robert McCrimmon, honestly!"

IT'S A KILT, NOT A SKIRT, THANKYOU.
Is it larruping time now?

There's something you don't expect of a lady of wealth & taste. ::laughs::
It makes her attempts to pretend she can cook even funnier. Griff's reaction when she says that the dessert where you "whoosh it all up together" is actually Keiser pudding is hilarious, because it's clear he knows just how to make it and sees through her bluff.

ARGH DON'T START TAKING YOUR CLOTHES OFF WITHOUT A WARNING, JAMIE!
"But they're uncomfortable! And I am wearing a shirt underneath, I swear!"

Okay, the first time I saw the remnants of this serial, I was convinced that Peter Halliday was playing Benik. He isn't, but I totally thought he was then. Don't ask!
Benik is a very Packeresque character, so I can understand the confusion.

I remember one of you peaches said in a comment how some folks have said that this particular line is, very sadly, quite true about the Troughton era as a whole
I never thought about it, but you're right.

I love how Astrid just smiles when she's getting hit on, but she looks like she's thinking, 'Keep this up and I'll rip your head off and stuff it down near your intestines.' Astrid is megawatts of awesome, SRSLY.
Astrid Ferrier > Astrid Peth a million times over.

ZOMG, he pulls off both roles deliciously & he makes it look so effortless - it's a gorgeous thing to watch. I can't even imagine how much work that must have been.
In the War Games DVD extras there's an interview to make-up designer Sylvia James, in which she talks about all the Troughton stories she's worked on. Among other things, she talks about how difficult it must have been for the poor men who played the Ice Warriors, and also mentions that they had to rework the filming order in Enemy of the World because of Pat's dual role - while the scenes in that era were filmed in order, as in a play, with EotW they had to film the scenes with Two first, and the scenes with Salamander later (or probably the other way around, but you know what I mean) because of the fake tan that had to be applied on Pat's skin. I'm sure the splitting of the scenes must have been helpful to help Pat prepare himself and separate the two performances in his mind.

she calls it his 'channelling Pat' moment & if you see it? YOU KNOW HE TOTALLY IS.
I love it so when Frazer channels Pat. :D

Poor Ferria. ::hugs her::
Psst - the name is Fariah.

HE'S A LIAR! HE'S A LYING, COWARDLY MANIACAL PSYCHOPATH WHO'S PRACTICALLY KEEPING PEOPLE BURIED ALIVE UNDER HIS RESEARCH BASE!
And only now did I realize that this is hugely similar to something that happens in a Pertwee story. I won't give away which story it is and in which way it's similar, because I know I sent you that one and I don't want to spoil you. But I had to say it because I'm surprised I didn't realize it sooner. My brain, it is dumb.

JAMIE! VICTORIA! Okay, who's backside to I have to kick for drugging them? SPEAK UP!
The writers and producers, obviously, since Jamie and Victoria being drugged was an excuse to explain why they were absent in the previous episode - saying "the boy and the girl aren't here because the actors playing them are on holiday" wouldn't have worked that well. :P

She's really very Avengers-esque. Kind of like Emma Peel, dare I say?
Oh yes, definitely!

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And you're still miffed because he didn't rescue you quickly enough? *pets him*

YES! ::pouty:: When will I get MY turn to be rescued?!

"You Said I was your WHAT?!? James Robert McCrimmon, honestly!"

But he called her pretty as well! Would she still be so mad after that?

Is it larruping time now?

Well . . . if that's what Salamander wants, he certainly wouldn't be denied that . . . ::innocent whistle::

It makes her attempts to pretend she can cook even funnier. Griff's reaction when she says that the dessert where you "whoosh it all up together" is actually Keiser pudding is hilarious, because it's clear he knows just how to make it and sees through her bluff.

I LOVE that scene so much, because it's SO obvious she has no idea of what to do in a kitchen & that she's winging it the best she can. O, Victoria. ::hugs::

"But they're uncomfortable! And I am wearing a shirt underneath, I swear!"

STILL, JAMIE, STILL! A simple 'I think I'll just take my jacket off now if you don't mind' would have done fine! Were you TRYING to give all the ladies sudden heart failure?

Benik is a very Packeresque character, so I can understand the confusion.

He really is - the only difference is that Benik was a model of efficiency compared to Packer. & no, I'll never understand why the crockery scene is somehow upsetting for me - Maybe it's because I only broke one glass in my life & I felt really bad about it?

Astrid Ferrier > Astrid Peth a million times over.

HELL. FUCKING. YES. I think I wouldn't have minded Astrid as an actual companion, like I said - she had the skills, guts & bravery to handle life in the TARDIS, I think. :D

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But he called her pretty as well! Would she still be so mad after that?
That one would make her blush, certainly, as would being called his girlfriend - but she'd still be annoyed he didn't ask permission to call her that, even if only pretending.

I LOVE that scene so much, because it's SO obvious she has no idea of what to do in a kitchen & that she's winging it the best she can.
I wonder how the spuds looked like after she tried to peel them. *pets her*

STILL, JAMIE, STILL! A simple 'I think I'll just take my jacket off now if you don't mind' would have done fine! Were you TRYING to give all the ladies sudden heart failure?
Victoria would scowl and pretend she didn't see a thing. That's all that matters to him.

He really is - the only difference is that Benik was a model of efficiency compared to Packer.
Packer: Hey, I resent that! *pouts*

I think I wouldn't have minded Astrid as an actual companion, like I said - she had the skills, guts & bravery to handle life in the TARDIS, I think. :D
Yes, she would have made a terrific companion!

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That one would make her blush, certainly, as would being called his girlfriend - but she'd still be annoyed he didn't ask permission to call her that, even if only pretending.

Aww, Blushing!Victoria would be so cute. But yes, she'd probably not enjoy Jamie going around & giving people the wrong impression of their relationship! She'd find it very inappropriate, I think. (BUT! It probably saved her a lot of uncomfortable moments if she ran into Salamander, wouldn't it? Dammit.)

I wonder how the spuds looked like after she tried to peel them. *pets her*

I have a feeling she might have just gouged the whole lot up, thinking you had to STICK the peeler in to work it, rather than just run it across. ::snugs her:: No kitchen time for Victoria, I think.

Victoria would scowl and pretend she didn't see a thing. That's all that matters to him.

::makes the pouty face:: Now THIS should be a .GIF, you know. :D

Packer: Hey, I resent that! *pouts*

EEEK, PACKER! ::runs up the tallest tree:: Um, I'm sorry, Packer, really . . . PLEASE DON'T KILL ME! ::clings to tree::

Yes, she would have made a terrific companion!

YES YES! I think I'd have not minded her taking Victoria's place, actually, though I do ♥ Zoe of course. See? She's another that should have had a free trip in the TARDIS! (but she probably would have declined politely, as she would have had a lot of work to do.)

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BUT! It probably saved her a lot of uncomfortable moments if she ran into Salamander, wouldn't it? Dammit.
Oh dear.

I have a feeling she might have just gouged the whole lot up, thinking you had to STICK the peeler in to work it, rather than just run it across. ::snugs her::
Double oh dear. And she's suprised Griff treated her the way he did? Co nsidering what a grumpypants he is, I'm surprised he allowed her to stay in the kitchen.

EEEK, PACKER! ::runs up the tallest tree:: Um, I'm sorry, Packer, really . . . PLEASE DON'T KILL ME! ::clings to tree::
I don't think he's armed - Frazer stole his clothes, and he's wearing nothing but longjohns, and I can't see a place where he'd keep a gun.

I think I'd have not minded her taking Victoria's place, actually, though I do ♥ Zoe of course.
Her asskicking abilities were probably inspiration when they were working out just how awesome Zoe should be.

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I think this may be the post where we break the most comments. SO MUCH TO TALK ABOUT!

Among other things, she talks about how difficult it must have been for the poor men who played the Ice Warriors, and also mentions that they had to rework the filming order in Enemy of the World because of Pat's dual role - while the scenes in that era were filmed in order, as in a play, with EotW they had to film the scenes with Two first, and the scenes with Salamander later (or probably the other way around, but you know what I mean) because of the fake tan that had to be applied on Pat's skin. I'm sure the splitting of the scenes must have been helpful to help Pat prepare himself and separate the two performances in his mind.

O, I REALLY hope we get that when they release The War Games over here. & I agree, that must have been a great help for him in preparing for two wildly different roles in the same story. & I honestly just LOVED his performance in this - both in my giggly fangirlish way & as a former theatre student. I don't think I've seen anyone play two roles in something & do it as well as he did. It was a GREAT performance. (which is why I just CRY over the fact that it's gone; even more now that I've heard the whole story.)

& I have to say, on a giggly note, Pat wore that faux tan VERY well - if anything, it just added to his overall sex appeal. (I'm going to ignore the fact that this was black&white, thankyouverymuch. :P)

I love it so when Frazer channels Pat. :D

THAT WOULD BE A SUBJECT FOR A PICSPAM IN ITSELF, Y/N? & I wasn't even TRYING to pause on that moment - I just stopped mid-Victoria talking, looked up & saw THE POUT & I immediately thought of your icon. :D

& DAMMIT, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I WORK ON RECAPS WHEN I'VE HAD LITTLE SLEEP & A BUSY DAY. Will edit. Tomorrow!

And only now did I realize that this is hugely similar to something that happens in a Pertwee story. I won't give away which story it is and in which way it's similar, because I know I sent you that one and I don't want to spoil you. But I had to say it because I'm surprised I didn't realize it sooner. My brain, it is dumb.

::hugs you:: Thankyou for not spoiling me & OMG I CAN'T WAIT TO FIND OUT WHAT SERIAL THAT IS! As just flat-out terrifying The Enemy of the World was, I LOVED finding that out - I think I stopped breathing for a few seconds when it was revealed that he'd been keeping people under the base. WHOA.

The writers and producers, obviously, since Jamie and Victoria being drugged was an excuse to explain why they were absent in the previous episode - saying "the boy and the girl aren't here because the actors playing them are on holiday" wouldn't have worked that well. :P

LOLZ. Yes, I don't think that would have gone over so well either. :P (& I only just remembered that Frazer & Debbie were on holiday during one episode's filming, so no wonder Jamie & Victoria were unconscious. ::pokes memory::)

Oh yes, definitely!

I KNOW! From what little I know about The Avengers, I'd say Astrid was VERY Emma Peel-esque. Which makes me think - how would Astrid have done at UNIT? I think she'd have done pretty damn well myself - she'd be a top agent! & she'd totally sass the Brig, if she had to. :D

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I think this may be the post where we break the most comments. SO MUCH TO TALK ABOUT!
There is, yes!

I don't think I've seen anyone play two roles in something & do it as well as he did. It was a GREAT performance.
Pat is seen as one of the most talented and accomplished character actors of his day, and this shows just why that is.

THAT WOULD BE A SUBJECT FOR A PICSPAM IN ITSELF, Y/N?
YES, definitely YES!

I think I stopped breathing for a few seconds when it was revealed that he'd been keeping people under the base. WHOA.
He had to be manipulating the natural forces in some way - he could not have managed to discredit Denes otherwise. I like it that the answer was so unexpected and fantastic.

Which makes me think - how would Astrid have done at UNIT? I think she'd have done pretty damn well myself - she'd be a top agent! & she'd totally sass the Brig, if she had to. :D
The Brig would probably have felt as frustrated sometimes as he usually was with Three, but overall I think he would have been happy to have such a competent agent working for him.

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There is, yes!

OF COURSE! We haven't even STARTED on the Salamander fangirling yet. & that CAN'T be left out of a discussion of this serial, naturally.

Pat is seen as one of the most talented and accomplished character actors of his day, and this shows just why that is.

I can see just why - & he balanced the amusing & heroic sides of the Doctor with the totally evil & charismatic sides of Salamander SO WELL. They were fabulous contrasts to each other, which made it all the more enjoyable to watch. (& also, this totally justifies me watching The Omen for him - I want to see him in a more dramatic role! I'll just close my eyes at . . . er, THAT bit.)

YES, definitely YES!

& it would start with the full-size cap alouzon did of your icon:



(no, I could not resist putting this in. EVERYONE SHOULD SEE IT, RIGHT?)

He had to be manipulating the natural forces in some way - he could not have managed to discredit Denes otherwise. I like it that the answer was so unexpected and fantastic.

That was the BEST reveal of ANYTHING in just about any serial since The Time Meddler, I think. It was TOTALLY one you didn't see coming (because I was convinced he had machines under the base in which he would be using to make the earthquakes happen) & it WAS fantastic & disturbing & just SO.FUCKING.GOOD. I swear, I stopped breathing for a bit there. It was just a total 'WHOA, WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?!' moment & I LOVED it. Now THAT'S a great plot twist!

The Brig would probably have felt as frustrated sometimes as he usually was with Three, but overall I think he would have been happy to have such a competent agent working for him.

I could see Astrid & the Brig having a working relationship very much like the one he & Three had, but she'd be another one he would would speak highly of, no matter how much they fought. (just maybe not to her face. :D)

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OF COURSE! We haven't even STARTED on the Salamander fangirling yet. & that CAN'T be left out of a discussion of this serial, naturally.
Indeed it cannot. Reviewing Enemy of the World without some Salamander fangirling is like... I don't know, like reviewing The Mind Robber without dropping a comment about Zoe's sparkly bottom.

They were fabulous contrasts to each other, which made it all the more enjoyable to watch.
They were complete extremes - I'm sure Pat had a whale of a time doing such strong opposites.

(no, I could not resist putting this in. EVERYONE SHOULD SEE IT, RIGHT?)
RIGHT. Spam on, my friend!
Here - have an icon of the Evil of the Daleks pout.

because I was convinced he had machines under the base in which he would be using to make the earthquakes happen
Yes, that would have been everybody's instant idea, so it would probably have been a predictable revelation if this was to happen.

I could see Astrid & the Brig having a working relationship very much like the one he & Three had, but she'd be another one he would would speak highly of, no matter how much they fought. (just maybe not to her face. :D)
And she'd probably team up with Liz in the matter of Brigadier mocking.

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O MY WORD! Kent & Salamander were in this fucked up plan together?! I - I can't EVEN. EVEN. WORDS. I HAVE NONE, PEOPLE. NONE.
And what is more, Two has been suspicious of him from the beginning, which is why he was being so strangely insistent about needing evidence. Two's brain > everything ever.

This was incredibly, terrifyingly dark & it never once apologised for such darkness.
You can see why Victoria would soon start to feel it's all too much.

Everyone had a side to them you weren't expecting, everyone had a deceit in the end.
Except for Astrid and poor Fariah, that is.

& I would call it stamped & sealed official that Salamander is now in my top favourite Classic!Who villains, like I said earlier. Number three, right under the Cybermen.
Really? I thought Cybermen were number one. Who is the real #1, then?

I would KILL to see that footage & to see how Patrick pulled THAT off.


Salamander got sucked out (o, NOT a pretty way to die, I have you know)
He probably didn't die and is still roaming the time vortex for all eternity. *shudders*

I do believe Edward Travers has made his second appearance in Doctor Who, along with his yeti, in a story set thirty - or possibly forty years after The Abominable Snowmen, apparently. (wow! Thirty years?)
It's around 40 years, I think - the first stone cast around the mathematical mess that is known as UNIT dating.
And I love what Sylvia James did to make Jack Watling look older. Great make-up work there!

Hee, Two & Jamie are having a marital spat round of bickerbickerbicker, with sandwiches added in!
Sandwiches - the Two/Jamie food of choice. :)

So they met Travers in 1935 Tibet . . . wow. I'd do the math, but I'm far too tired to think about maths now.
Like I said, UNIT dating. The less you think about it, the better. Personally I like to believe this one and the resulting UNIT stories take place in the year they were filmed. It saves me a lot of headaches.
I'm baffled about how Travers should know about the TARDIS and that Victoria was born long before he was (something that amuses me whenever I remember that Jack Watling was Debbie's dad in real life), since they never had that conversation in The Abominable Snowmen onscreen, and in the novelization they don't really tell him anything, and are wary when he insists on seeing them off.

HOLY CHRIST IT'S THE BRIGADIER! Or rather, Colonel Lethbridge-Stewart this time around!
I can never forget how much more sense it would have been if Deborah Watling had been available to appear in the bubblewrap scene from The Five Doctors. The original plan was for ghost!Victoria to be the one saying "The Brigadier is right!", thus making Two go "Hang on, why are you calling him Brigadier if he was a Colonel when you met him?"

May I just take this morning to say that I really don't much like Evans? Well, I don't. There, said it.
Everybody I know who is familiar with this serial seems to like Evans. *shrugs* With me, it's Chorley I can't stand.

And now that you're listened to Web, I'd like to rec you to a fic by alouzon: Nerves, set between this one and Fury.

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And what is more, Two has been suspicious of him from the beginning, which is why he was being so strangely insistent about needing evidence. Two's brain > everything ever.

AGREED. & the sad thing? I LIKED Kent, I thought he was okay - then I find out he's just as evil as Salamander & nowhere near as sexy? MY HEART BROKE. I LIKED HIM!

::points to icon:: Kent got served & so did I for doubting Two at all. O, Two, will you ever forgive me for doubting you?

You can see why Victoria would soon start to feel it's all too much.

O, I certainly can, as painful as that is to say. If I'd been what she'd been through in this story? I would be a total emotional mess & most likely not even be able to LOOK at Two for a few days after that. That is, if I even came out of my room at all.

Except for Astrid and poor Fariah, that is.

Yes. They were the only ones who didn't have something to hide in the end. & I felt awful when Fariah was killed. She was so brave & she died with all her secrets intact. & I loved her last words to Benik - she was a great character, like Astrid!

Really? I thought Cybermen were number one. Who is the real #1, then?

::sparkles:: The main top three, the ones who's serials I'd watch over & over again? They would be:

1. The Master (Delgado!Master preferred, but all are quite nice, except Roberts!Master. That was FAIL CHEESE ON A STICK.)

2. Classic!Cybermen. (Mondasian accepted, but the Telosian ones are my preferred brand!)

3. Salamander. (the accent, the evilness, the magnetism, the sexiness, the clever & quick mind . . . I think you get the idea. :D)

(& two out of three are quite delicious, you must admit. ::smiles:: But let's hope they never meet each other. That could be . . . problematic.)

ASDFGHJKL;LKJHGFDSA THAT SNAP OMG. ::worships you:: I . . . I am going to pull a Jack Harkness & just say I can't even TELL you what I'm thinking right now! ::fans self:: (well, I could tell you part of it, but you might pinch me for it! :P)

He probably didn't die and is still roaming the time vortex for all eternity. *shudders*

O MAN. That's an even SCARIER thought. Imagine if he met the Master. Or worse, if he met Two & Jamie during season 6B. ::clings to you & Two:: Oooo, you think that could be written?

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AGREED. & the sad thing? I LIKED Kent, I thought he was okay
I think the fact he's so likeable is what makes the twist even more surprising. I had the same experience in an EDA recently.

If I'd been what she'd been through in this story? I would be a total emotional mess & most likely not even be able to LOOK at Two for a few days after that. That is, if I even came out of my room at all.
And yet Victoria managed to go change her clothes and return to the console room after a short while looking as calm as ever - which just shows she's stronger than people give her credit for.

she was a great character, like Astrid!
Yes, Fariah would have made a great companion as well!

Great villain choices, I think! As for me, my personal favourites are Delgado!Master (with a bit of Ainley!Master on the side), Tobias Vaughn and Mavic Chen - which means my Top 3 includes a double dose of Kevin Stoney! It also seems to indicate I have very good taste. :D

I am going to pull a Jack Harkness & just say I can't even TELL you what I'm thinking right now! ::fans self::
Oh, I think I know exactly what you're thinking. ]:D

Imagine if he met the Master. Or worse, if he met Two & Jamie during season 6B. ::clings to you & Two::
Or if he and Dalek Caan crossed paths while they were travelling through the vortex in different directions.

Oooo, you think that could be written?
Yes, definitely! It would certainly look believable if well-written.

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(okay, LAST COMMENT FOR ME. I MUST SLEEEEEP. Sadly. :O)

I think the fact he's so likeable is what makes the twist even more surprising. I had the same experience in an EDA recently.

AGREED. I mean, he seemed like such a nice guy & like he really wanted to help save the world from Salamander, but then he turns out to be no better than him - it was a HUGE shock.

& now I can't believe I CARED about his broken dishes! I'd have smashed them over his head by the end of the serial!

And yet Victoria managed to go change her clothes and return to the console room after a short while looking as calm as ever - which just shows she's stronger than people give her credit for.

Also, she's actually a bit cheerful about her new outfit & then she helps Two & Jamie try & move the TARDIS. Me? I would have been locked in my room, crying hysterically & refusing to come out. That is, if I didn't just demand to be taken home right then. Victoria is a lot braver than I could be in such a lifestyle, I think.

Yes, Fariah would have made a great companion as well!

Totally! & she & Astrid would have made a great team, I think, if Fariah had lived. Imagine everything they could have done to help repair the world together.

Great villain choices, I think! As for me, my personal favourites are Delgado!Master (with a bit of Ainley!Master on the side), Tobias Vaughn and Mavic Chen - which means my Top 3 includes a double dose of Kevin Stoney! It also seems to indicate I have very good taste. :D

Thankyou! :D & you most certainly do, I say! The Master made the top spot on mine because even though I INFINITELY prefer the original series to the new one, I still adore Simm!Master. But Delgado!Master is my Master, bar none.

Oh, I think I know exactly what you're thinking. ]:D

& I think you'd be absolutely correct. My brain is now torturing me with Two/Jamie/Salamander - It is SO VERY WRONG, but it feels so RIGHT! HELP ME.

Or if he and Dalek Caan crossed paths while they were travelling through the vortex in different directions.

Or worse . . . . what if they Cybermen got to him somehow? That's possibly scarier than Salamander working with the Master - Salamander as a Cyberman. Or with a cybernetic body & his own mind - okay, scaring myself here. ::zips lip::

Yes, definitely! It would certainly look believable if well-written.

O, FABULOUS! ::squeals:: I wish I knew someone to pawn that idea off to - I HIGHLY doubt I'd be able to pull it off - unless it was a joint effort wherein I get to write the smutty fun & someone else does the plot.

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& now I can't believe I CARED about his broken dishes! I'd have smashed them over his head by the end of the serial!
But the dishes were not to blame - he was! *would pet broken crockery if it wasn't such a silly thing to do*

Me? I would have been locked in my room, crying hysterically & refusing to come out. That is, if I didn't just demand to be taken home right then.
I'd probably sit in a near-catatonic state in a corner of the console room.

The Master made the top spot on mine because even though I INFINITELY prefer the original series to the new one, I still adore Simm!Master.
I think Simm!Master needed some very strong doses of chamomile tea. He was just too hyper.

My brain is now torturing me with Two/Jamie/Salamander - It is SO VERY WRONG, but it feels so RIGHT! HELP ME.
Eek! What can I do?

Salamander as a Cyberman. Or with a cybernetic body & his own mind - okay, scaring myself here. ::zips lip::
That wouldn't be Salamander - that would be Tobias Vaughn with a Mexican accent.

I wish I knew someone to pawn that idea off to - I HIGHLY doubt I'd be able to pull it off - unless it was a joint effort wherein I get to write the smutty fun & someone else does the plot.
I don't think I could do it either. It was one of my possible plot points when I devised the first Fourteenth Doctor fics, but eventually gave up on it and went for an alternative I felt more comfortable with. I hope you can find someone then.

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I think I'm becoming the princess of broken comments. :P

It's around 40 years, I think - the first stone cast around the mathematical mess that is known as UNIT dating.

I was a bit of a child for a moment & thought of UNIT DATING when I first read that. :P But yes - UNIT dating is just one HUGE headache. Ugh. :(

And I love what Sylvia James did to make Jack Watling look older. Great make-up work there!

Agreed! :D

Sandwiches - the Two/Jamie food of choice. :)

::grins:: Well, that's one fic problem solved - when in doubt, sandwich time! ^-^

Like I said, UNIT dating. The less you think about it, the better. Personally I like to believe this one and the resulting UNIT stories take place in the year they were filmed. It saves me a lot of headaches.

I agree - saves wear & tear on my brain & makes things overall easier.

I'm baffled about how Travers should know about the TARDIS and that Victoria was born long before he was (something that amuses me whenever I remember that Jack Watling was Debbie's dad in real life), since they never had that conversation in The Abominable Snowmen onscreen, and in the novelization they don't really tell him anything, and are wary when he insists on seeing them off.

. . . I CAN'T BELIEVE I DIDN'T REALISE THAT. (Okay, I REALLY shouldn't force myself to finish recapping if I'm falling asleep in the middle of a serial, right?) But you're very right - how DOES he know then? Maybe it was an offscreen conversation?

I can never forget how much more sense it would have been if Deborah Watling had been available to appear in the bubblewrap scene from The Five Doctors. The original plan was for ghost!Victoria to be the one saying "The Brigadier is right!", thus making Two go "Hang on, why are you calling him Brigadier if he was a Colonel when you met him?"

O! O, I hadn't known she was supposed to be in that scene! While I get all teary-happy-teary-again with Jamie & Zoe in that scene, you're right - that WOULD have made a lot of sense & would have been the fastest way Two would have known it wasn't really the real Victoria.

Everybody I know who is familiar with this serial seems to like Evans. *shrugs* With me, it's Chorley I can't stand.

. . . ::looks VERY embarrassed:: Um . . . this could be because I'm fifty percent sure I might have fallen asleep toward the end of story four, & I was running on I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT by the time I got to The Web of Fear. I'm going to try & not do that anymore - not much point in trying to MAKE points if you can barely function, right?

& o, fic rec! Thankyou! ::bookmarks for tomorrow::

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I think you're right - we are breaking a record here. :P

::grins:: Well, that's one fic problem solved - when in doubt, sandwich time! ^-^
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I love making Fourteen and Jamie eat sandwiches in my fics - I feel like I'd be betraying them if I made them eat anything else.
In fact, in one of them Jamie makes sandwiches for Fourteen, and when she learns about this she goes :D

I agree - saves wear & tear on my brain & makes things overall easier.
I had to make a disclaimer about the dating I'm using in my current fic, and cited Invasion of the Dinosaurs, Whatever Happened to Sarah Jane? and Mawdryn Undead as my references to my leaving the year as it is.

But you're very right - how DOES he know then? Maybe it was an offscreen conversation?
It's the only possible answer. In the novelization the conversation never happened (as they're leaving the monastery they start wondering how they're going to explain to him about the TARDIS) but the TV version, as alouzon once pointed out when I started wondering about this, has some moments where either Jamie or Victoria could have told Travis about their travels.

O, I hadn't known she was supposed to be in that scene!
Yes, she was in Terrance Dicks' script - only Deborah Watling had to pull out at the last minute because of other engagements, and Eric Saward made that sloppy rewrite to remove her from the scene. Robert Holmes later made some other continuity mess-ups in The Two Doctors, both incidents resulting in the creation of Season 6B to try and fix them. Not that I'm complaining about Season 6B, of course, but I do hate sloppy work.

Um . . . this could be because I'm fifty percent sure I might have fallen asleep toward the end of story four, & I was running on I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT by the time I got to The Web of Fear.
I don't think that's the reason - there are plenty of valid reasons for someone to dislike Evans, as he's lazy and cowardly and cares more about his own skin. Nevertheless, a lot of people think he's likeable, and I personally am so dedicated in disliking Chorley (I know of a fic where Polly had to work for him and eventually kicked his sorry ass) I never worried too much about Evans.

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This & possibly my recap of The War Games are going to be our biggest comment parties/spammery/discussions, I'm thinking. But this one will always be the best! :D

I love making Fourteen and Jamie eat sandwiches in my fics - I feel like I'd be betraying them if I made them eat anything else.

HEE! Well, there WILL be sandwiches in the Jamie/Victoria, but I also plan on introducing Jamie to the wonders of icy, yummy, blended, non-coffee drinks! (I think Victoria will just have a little one.)

It's the only possible answer. In the novelization the conversation never happened (as they're leaving the monastery they start wondering how they're going to explain to him about the TARDIS) but the TV version, as alouzon once pointed out when I started wondering about this, has some moments where either Jamie or Victoria could have told Travis about their travels.

Then I shall stick with this. ::nods::

Yes, she was in Terrance Dicks' script - only Deborah Watling had to pull out at the last minute because of other engagements, and Eric Saward made that sloppy rewrite to remove her from the scene. Robert Holmes later made some other continuity mess-ups in The Two Doctors, both incidents resulting in the creation of Season 6B to try and fix them. Not that I'm complaining about Season 6B, of course, but I do hate sloppy work.

O, that's too bad. :( It would have been nice to see Victoria after so long. But yes, sloppy work of ANY kind is really not acceptable. & as the one who researches once, tries to double-check everything & THEN give it so someone else to look at, it makes me crazy. Which is why I BEGAN fic with Victoria, but I haven't FINISHED any of it because I haven't finished all of her serials yet. I already know there's a mistake in my Jamie/Victoria I have to fix (& it's actually kind of minor!), so I'm not doing anything else until I finish Fury From the Deep.

there are plenty of valid reasons for someone to dislike Evans, as he's lazy and cowardly and cares more about his own skin. Nevertheless, a lot of people think he's likeable, and I personally am so dedicated in disliking Chorley (I know of a fic where Polly had to work for him and eventually kicked his sorry ass)

Hmm. Well, I think part of the reason I didn't like him much was because he was such a coward & so terribly lazy, among other things. & when you're with people like the Brigadier & Jamie, it makes you look even WORSE, but I think he WAS a fairly realistic character. But I still didn't like him.

(& you wouldn't happen to have a link to that fic, would you? POLLY WRIGHT > CHORLEY. & I'd LOOOVE to read that. :D)

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HEE! Well, there WILL be sandwiches in the Jamie/Victoria, but I also plan on introducing Jamie to the wonders of icy, yummy, blended, non-coffee drinks!
Jamie: Och, I know all about whisky! Don't forget I'm a Scot!

But yes, sloppy work of ANY kind is really not acceptable. & as the one who researches once, tries to double-check everything & THEN give it so someone else to look at, it makes me crazy.
Same here. I'm a perfectionist, and so this sort of stuff drives me crazy.

(& you wouldn't happen to have a link to that fic, would you? POLLY WRIGHT > CHORLEY. & I'd LOOOVE to read that. :D)
I've been trying to find it on Teaspoon (I know it's posted there) but so far have been unsuccessful. It's a chaptered adventure, and I can't seem to find anything in that category with Ben and Polly in it. Ah well, I'll keep on trying. Ishould warn you, though, that Polly pwning Chorley is the only thing I actually enjoyed in it - the rest had some stuff that just downright annoyed me, like Ben and Polly going their separate ways after The Faceless Ones, and later on having a private conversation in front of a bunch of strangers (really?).

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Yay! for more recaps! Alas, I have not yet seen these ones, so politely not reading for right now. Hopefully I'll be able to come back to them... oh, in a couple weeks! More serials to go!

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Thankyou! I hope you'll enjoy them when you GET to read them. :D

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