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riverdresses& now, here we go, off on the second three recaps of the great & mighty Troughton rewatch-athon!
The Smugglers
- So this serial picks up from where we left off at the end of The War Machines, with Ben & Polly going into the TARDIS to return One's key to him, then him taking off with them inside. This could be a bit harder to recap, because it's a recon, but I'll do my best!
One seems quite angry to have uninvited guests in his ship this time, but actually, I don't think of him as being angry so much as just very surprised. He says himself he thought he would finally be alone after leaving 1966. I think if he were really angry, he would have made a point of throwing Ben & Polly off the TARDIS right then & there, if they hadn't already demateralised. Also, I doubt he would have explained certain aspects of the TARDIS to them like he did if he was so angry or he was planning on ditching them at some point.
- I love Ben's initial shock when he & Polly are inside the TARDIS for the first time. Polly seems to stay very level headed, even though she's just stepped into a huge room in what she thought was a mere police box. It's a good contrast to Ben's shock & general reactions, I think. She doesn't scream or panic, she just listens & asks questions. Very good on her!
- I am a bit surprised that Ben refuses to believe that he's in a time machine, considering what he just went through with One in The War Machines. But I suppose those were a bit of a different set of circumstances - Ben was in his own time, dealing with something dangerous on his territory, not in an alien land millions of years in the past or future. So his reactions are a bit surprising to me, but also a fair bit understandable.
- Teehee! Polly pinched Ben! Well, he did ask for it, so he can't complain now, eh? ::giggles::
- & of course the Doctor's off to follow them - did you really believe he wouldn't? Did anyone really believe he didn't want to keep Ben & Polly safe?
- Polly's enthusiasm is so cute! & any thoughts I may have had as to One's feelings toward them? All gone, save for that he does want them there!
- O dear . . . seventeenth century?
- Polly doesn't like being called Duchess & she doesn't like being called a lad. But Ben just said one of my favourite lines ever! 'Listen to our little dolly rocker Duchess!' LOVE YA, BEN!
- Polly's pragmatic side is showing & Ben's sarcastic, annoyed side is coming out. But still, v. awesome, the both of them! & I DO love how the first things on Ben's mind is some good beer. ::giggles:: Sailors! ::giggle::
- Ben ready to fight for One! GO BEN! ::waves pompoms:: Seriously, I ♥ Ben even more every minute.
- I quite like how Polly insists that Ben be seen to after somebody finally shows up to help her. & I'm glad Ben wasn't too severely injured!
- ARGH NOW I'M WORRIED FOR ONE DAMMIT. I know he can help himself, but still, I'm worried how he's going to get away from a band of pirates & their ship. ::chews fingers::
- WHAT THE HELL WHY ARE BEN & POLLY BEING ARRESTED. Another reason to worry now! & I am worried if they're going to find out Polly's no boy - that could be quite dangerous for her.
- One is quite brave (& a bit saucy!) when being threatened by pirates! & surprisingly, still dapper-looking even when a bit torn up.
- POLLY LOVES THEIR PREDICAMENT! & Ben's all whiny & sour about it - ha! Polly = the better adventuress of the two, perhaps? But seriously, I love how Polly's the one finding the adventure & excitement in their problem, even if she has been accused of murder & is currently sitting in gaol.
- Wait, Polly's excited one minute, then she's screaming about a rat? EXCUSE ME? Hello, inconsistant writing.
Or maybe not inconsistent, but that bit bugs me a fair bit.
- Ah, but Kickass!Polly returns just a bit later, with her plan of faking witchery! ::grins:: Go Polly, go Polly! But alas, for her good moment, we must have her irritating fear of rats - girl, you're in a seventeenth-century gaol - OF COURSE THERE'LL BE RATS! Don't tell me you expected it to be all nice & clean!
(but really, I blame the writers, not Polly. Silly writers.)
- One's got brains, gentility, & he knows how to work the right people in the write places - I'm jealous of Susan getting to be his granddaughter! I love One's manipulation of Captain Pike by playing to his apparent vanity & his flattery of him. One is a BADASS, I must reiterate!
- Polly's become 'Paul' now & GO GIRL, GO GIRL, PLAY ON SEVENTEENTH-CENTURY FEAR LIKE THAT! ::hugs her:: & Ben is a great accomplice in her plans, I must say. But Polly Wright FTMFW, BITCHES! & YAY, THEY'RE FREE! Thanks to Polly's snappy thinking, of course!
Seriously. I love this girl. She's as worthy a companion to the Doctor as any of her predecessors!
- Ben & Polly playing detective together is kind of cute, actually. & awww, Ben's worried about Polly's safety. ♥
- Ben, while not as sophisticated as One, is pretty good at getting information when he wants it, at least so far.
- Hmm. The Squire sounds a bit like One. Just a note!
- & quite an ending to leave off on - I'm rather worried for Ben & Polly now! Where is One, o, where IS he?!
- OMG, One's telling fortunes now! HOW DOES HE GET MORE AWESOME WITH EVERY SERIAL? & hmm . . . I wonder what One's up to . . . doesn't seem like him, telling fortunes - O! PLOY! V. good show Doctor, v. good show! ::shan't doubt One again::
(but I'd not be surprised if the Doctor knew how to tell fortunes in different ways - even if he's really more a man of science & exploration, that doesn't mean he wouldn't know how to perhaps read a tea leaf or two, or cut a Tarot deck.)
- Phew! At last, Ben & Polly have a partial believer! But a partial believer is better than what they had before - nothing!
- OMG ONE'S BACK!! ::hugs him:: Now, the three of them shall kick some pirate arse!
- Wow. One . . . damn, I haven't even got words, but the fact that he feels so morally obligated & responsible for protecting the village is . . . wow. I am . . . I mean, I know all of the Doctor is like that, but hearing him explain it in such solid terms just blows me away. Not that I didn't expect him to try & save the village, along with Ben & Polly, nor did I expect him to run off & leave the village to its own fate so the three of them could go elsewhere, but I don't think I'd expected him to be so open in explaining his feelings about it to Ben. I really can see Barbara's good influence shining through now & I can see that is something she left with him & that he'll not lose, ever.
(um, in short, One is love. & I totally love him even more now, if such a thing is possible.)
- & I love how Polly sides with One completely. She's full of strength & compassion & I love her so. & Ben! I'm a bit disappointed in him for wanting to run off & let the village die so easily, but I'm glad he came around somewhat.
Polly > Ben
- Ooo! Ben & Polly's lark in the graveyard helped One figure out the churchwarden's riddle! & they're getting all the pieces together at quite a pace!
- One's v. brave to make Ben & Polly leave him like that to keep them safe. & Ben's awesome for saying he'll be back for him. ::nods::
- One's so honourable, even when dealing with the likes of Captain Pike. ♥ WHY DO PEOPLE DISRESPECT HIM SO MUCH?!
- ::sighs:: I sort of find Ben rescuing Polly from pirates to be terribly romantic. ::blushes::
- & off they (& I!) go onto their next destination, which, sadly, will be One's final story. But it must be faced with a clear mind, & a brave heart.
The Tenth Planet
- Oooo, the opening titles are quite ominous for this serial - I love them! Immediately makes me think of Cybermen. (& yay, a Kit Pedler story!)
- This serial, if I remember right, is almost entirely intact, save for the final story, which is a recon. So it should be a bit easier for me to recap for the most part. (I'm thinking recapping a serial that's a recon is an art that must be learnt a bit slowly, if one means to pick it up properly!)
- 'Doctor, you have a fantastic wardrobe!' YES! Proof that the Doctor's always had one hell of a wardrobe, even if he was only travelling with Susan! & I LOVE Polly's choice - supercute & warm! & aww, how sweet is it that she gently fusses over One's warmth? 'Like toast, my dear!' LOVE.
- Random fashion note: Polly's carrying a muff! Stylish indeed!
- Sigh, men gawking at pretty, dolly, jolly Polly already? MEN.Ben's not going to like this. I think!
- Ha, One doesn't tolerate ANYONE speaking him in a rude tone! Respect the Doctor or get cut!
- 1986?! OMG. I was expecting them to land in the twenty-first century myself, but 1986?! That's three years before I was born! Wild, man.
- Hmm, so this tenth planet is between Mars & Venus? Why did I think it was near Pluto? (yes, this was the 1960s, Pluto was still a planet!)
- One's knowledge of what this planet means is sort of giving me the creeps. I don't really want to speculate as to what the planet is myself, but his knowing it is just creepy.
- LOLZ, THEY'RE GOING TO TRY & BREAK INTO THE TARDIS? LOLZ, I SAY AGAIN.
- UM. I think we just had our first - no, we HAVE just had our first sighting of Mondasian Cybermen! WHOA. & yes, they disturb me as well as the Telosian ones do. Right now, it's all in their faces.
- Okay, the Cybermen are in the base now. & they're scary, okay?! & their voices are kind of creeeepy.
- Mondasian Cybermen are an interesting breed & they are NOT like the Telosian breed, which is what most of us have seen in future serials - the Mondasian breed only had one serial, I think, & it was this one.![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
nentari & I have/are having quite an interesting talk about the differences between Mondasian, Telosian & Cybus Cybermen, the latter being the new series ones. The Mondasian ones seem, to me, just a slight bit more human than the Telosian ones, or even the Cybus ones. They're more willing to answer human queries about who & what they are, as well as how they became what they are now. They also seem more inclined to carry on a conversation, or something like one, with humans, whereas Telosian & Cybus Cybermen are more of the 'convert delete or kill' sort.
Also, their design is vastly different from their counterparts - more bulky & more tubed in the front, & far less of a metallic face. In fact, their faces remind me of clown faces - & I'm somewhat scared of clowns.
& also, the Mondasian Cybermen still have the stealth of the Telosian ones - which is something the Cybus Cybermen of the new series irritatingly lost - honestly, if the Mondasian Cybermen & the Telosian Cybermen went around stomping & clanking like ghosts with rusty chains attached, it would be far too easy for the Doctor to wipe them out before they even showed up!
- So now the Cybermen threw Ben in a projection room & yet, he's learnt from the Doctor already - never give up, no matter how bleak a situation looks. & his remorse at being forced to kill a Cybermen . . . o, Ben. ::hugs::
(& Polly's at his side already!)
- I was actually only planning to go to the second story tonight, but I'm on the third story & I just can't stop watching! Anyway, Cybermen are - O FUCK! One just collapsed! One just collapsed & the Cybermen are bringing in more & along with spaceships. This is not the best time for One to be taken ill!
- Polly says he just seems worn out. I'm pretty worried about the Doctor, my own self! But I rather liked how Ben insists that he & Polly get back to the others & that there's nothing they can do for him. Be that as it may, I'm worried about One.
- HA. Polly may appear to be making coffee, but that girl's working her ulterior motives in-between adding sugar & cream! To all the Polly haters - SHE'S NOT JUST THE MOTHERFUCKING TEA GIRL, BITCHES! She's got someone on her, Ben & One's side now. Not bad for someone everyone always calls a 'screamer' & 'a tea lady'. IN YOUR FACES, POLLY'S AWESOME.
- Oooo, v. James Bond there Ben, crawling through ventilation shafts like that! & he's got his pocket knife! He's ready, folks.
- Another random note - I LOVE Polly's dress! (or is it a jumper?) Overall, she really looks just fabulous! & her EYES! I WANT HER EYES, OR AT LEAST, HER EYE MAKEUP.
- JERK KNOCKED BEN OUT! ::growls:: But at least Polly's there to help him out a bit. (he looks so sweet whilst unconscious . . . but they both look quite sweet together.)
- Okay, we're in recon mode now - & it is a GREAT recon, seriously. An absolutely cracking recon.
- 'I guess this old body of mine is wearing a bit thin.'
O, One. I . . . I know what will come next . . . but I don't want you to leave!
- Wow, owing a Cyberman your life . . . not a concept I'm so readily familiar with. & saving a Cyberman as well . . . wow.
- Ben is going to cut a Cyberman if they touch Polly. Seriously.
- FUCKERS ARE NOT CONVERTING POLLY, FUCK THAT NOISE. & if they do, Ben & One will rip their heads right off.
- I'm sorry, but the Mondasian Cybermen have faces that are freaking me the fuck out - they look too fucking much like clowns! ::hides::
- WHOA, WHOA, GO BEN! He's caught on that Cybermen can't handle radiation! That would make him the first companion of the Doctor's to realise that Cybermen cannot face radiation without dying.
(incidentally, Polly's the one who kicked some Cybermen arse with nail varnish remover! Those two were damn good against Cybermen!)
- ::is scared for Polly & One::
- Ben is showing his snappy, hit-the-ground-fighting traits again, just like he showed us in The War Machines. ROCK ON, BEN! I just hope he'll be okay after being so close to radioactive materials!
- I love Ben. Sometimes, so far, he's bugged me a bit, but he's awesome & I do love him. He really is a great companion.
- WHOA. Mondas disintegrates, & so do the Cybermen? AWESOME!
- & now Ben's saving Polly & One! But One . . . he doesn't look good at all. He sounds awful & he looks so weak . . .
- Okay, this is . . . not good. He can barely even get Ben & Polly inside the TARDIS! & the TARDIS doesn't even sound like herself!
- & . . . . he's gone. Just like that. He collapsed & One . . . isn't One anymore.
(okay, going to have a bit of sap for a moment here.)
In the mix I made about the nine times the Doctor has regenerated, I used the song Airbag by Radiohead, because, based on the research I'd done on One's regeneration, I felt like it fit his moment of regeneration, particularly the line 'In an interstellar burst/I'm back to save the universe'.
& that's just what happens.
Still . . . I miss One already. ::sad sigh::
Also,nentari & I once had a bit of discussion on what it was that caused One to regenerate - was it because of the Cybermen, or was it simply because his original body was finally forced to regenerate, or he would have died? After watching, I'm pretty much solid on the idea of his regeneration coming about because his first body was just too old & had been through too much & if he hadn't regenerated when he did, he would have died altogether. Also, there is enough evidence throughout the story that his body was finally showing signs of age & that a regeneration would have to come soon.
(I should also say that I am one hundred percent sure that the first body we see the Doctor in is the body he was born with.)
The Power of the Daleks
- Picking up where we left off, One has just regenerated into his second body on the floor of the TARDIS, in front of Ben & Polly, who are lost as fuck as to what's just happened.
- & Patrick Troughton's off to a GREAT start as our second Doctor! I love his post-regeneration scene - v. well played & v. in-keeping with what I've seen the Doctor like after he's regenerated.
- Teehee! Now he's got to examine his new face. & his muscles are a bit tight, alas.
- Now everything's beginning to fall into place for all three of them - Two knows he's the Doctor now, or at least he seems to.
- THE RECORDER!! I LOVE IT! Aww! & he's got his five hundred year diary & knows who Ben is - okay, getting there now, I'd say.
- I love how Polly's the one with full faith in the Doctor; that it is the Doctor & he'll be okay, while Ben's insanely sceptical about everything that's going on around him. It's a good contrast both to each other & to Two's own confusion.
- HE'S PLAYING IT AGAIN. ♥ & Ben appears to be none too happy about it. He's even shouted at Polly. Yeah, he's not in the best of moods. & AWWW, STILL PLAYING IT. I think he's rather good, myself.
- O yeah, this is so the Doctor - plotty, cunning, sneaky & with just the right card up his sleeve. ::grins:: Loving him already, on his first serial! I do hope Ben cuts the 'OMG THIS AIN'T THE DOCTOR!' bollocks already. Preferably very soon.
- I have a really bad feeling about that capsule & the first serial's half over. Meep.
- Two is awesomely sneaky, I have GOT to say that.
- FUCK. Daleks. Well . . . they don't look as deadly as the ones I've seen, but WHAT is that thing on the floor?! & where's the fourth one?
- GAH THAT THING IS DISGUSTING! It looks like a bloody mutated jellyfish!
(I think I've also forgotten that this IS the first time Ben & Polly have ever seen a Dalek. They've met Cybermen, but not Daleks.)
- Christ on a cracker . . . I'm sorry, Cybermen may scare me more, but Daleks can do it pretty well too. & Two saying only one Dalek would be needed to wipe out the whole colony on Vulcan . . . I find it chilling.
- HA! Two's sauciness is sexy! ::blows kiss::
- He's only just regenerated, but he's got the spark & fire of his later time - ♥ Two ♥
- DUDE, WTF, ARE YOU AN IDIOT? WHY ARE TRYING TO REVIVE THE DALEKS? Why don't people just listen to the Doctor when he talks?! Melt the pepperpots down!
- Hee, reference to his meeting Marco Polo! & BEN, CUT THE BITCHING, PLEASE. Polly, however, gets a cupcake for believing him to be the real Doctor.
- 'I never talk nonsense. Well, hardly ever.'
- Wow. Two's actually giving me a bit of a spook in this serial - he's never done that before. It's his mysteriousness, his sense of confusion, the hint of darkness I keep feeling from him. I don't think I've ever known one to be like this - he's always been the Doctor I'd want to be best friends with, to go dancing with, & learn to play recorder from. I know there's more to him than his outward silliness & cheerful disposition, like how there's more to Eight than his giddiness & Romantic tendencies, but unlike with Eight, I've never seen Two's darker side - or maybe I have & don't remember it - prior to now. I've seen his cleverness, his wit, his capabilities, but not so much this . . . darkness I just feel from him in this story.
- EARTH PEOPLE ARE TWITS. WHY, WHY, WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO REVIVE A DAMN DALEK?! Okay, FINE, get your silly selves exterminated, so you don't pollute the rest of the human gene pool by procreating. ::sighs loudly::
- More recorder playing! & I love the discussion between Polly & Ben over the deputy governor's guilt or innocence. I think it's an interesting showcase of their personalities, as well as their emotions & of course, their feelings on the situation at hand.
- O, FUCK ME, WHY ARE EARTH PEOPLE SUCH FOOLS. & Two agrees with me, I see. ::glares:: (& maybe NOW Ben will quit the bitching about him being the Doctor or not.)
- The very last half of the second serial, when the Dalek begins to speak, & Two's desperately trying to explain a Dalek's true nature & both are sort of vocally (or should I say aurally?) overlaid is both haunting & chilling.
. . . Okay, it's just scary. To me, anyway. People, just melt down the Daleks before you get yourselves wiped out!
- Any time a Dalek claims to be 'helping' a human? It's time to bash the thing in the eyestalk with a baseball bat.
- GET YOUR GRUBBY HANDS OFF MY DUCHESS BASTARDS!
- More recorder playing! & when Ben finds out they've kidnapped Polly, he is going to blow a frakkin' fuse.
- O, sure, let's just hand over lots of shiny stuff to the Daleks all willy-nilly, why don't we? ::sighs even louder::
- O.fuck.me. The Daleks have all been reactivated. That colony is SCREWED.
- O no. Two's been discovered. Now HE'S screwed!
- & now people are leaving pseudo-ransom notes about Polly? ::glowers:: NOT ON.
- HALLELUJAH, SOMEONE'S SLOWLY BEGINNING TO AGREE WITH TWO.
- Dalek reproduction is . . . . well . . . . let's pretend I don't know about it, okay?
- 'You think you're very tough, don't you, pushing a girl around. I'd like to see you come up against a real man.'
'Like who?'
'Like Ben for instance!'
♥♥♥♥
Polly-girl, you are the awesome.
- . . . . Did Two just use his recorder to break out of a prison cell?
THAT RECORDER IS A WEAPON IN HIS HANDS! & he is made of some serious win, people.
- For some reason, I find Two telling Polly that Ben can take care of himself to be quite sweet.
- & yes, the ending of the fifth part gave me some massive chills. Dalek voices are v. scary when they layer over each other like that.
- My shippy little heart went all fluttery when Ben & Polly finally got to see each other again. Awww.
- Ben comforting Polly! O . . . ♥♥
- 'Why can't you just take all the plugs out and cut the power?'
'Because I prefer to do it my way!'
Hee! I love Two's stubbornness; it's one of my favourite things about him.
- Something I've not noted yet - the concept of one scientist 'giving' life to the Daleks - it feels very Frankenstein-esque, in my opinion. Not only were the Daleks brought to life by a human, they killed humans as well. Of course, all under very different circumstances. But it did put me in mind of the story.
- Ah, a sneaky escape, as the Doctor prefers. ::smiles:: & more recorder playing!!
- & away they go, off to new places & new faces! Bravo, bravo! ::claps::
Whew! This was the official beginning of the great & mighty Troughton rewatch-athon & alas, the ending point of the Hartnell era for now. (but I've a load of Hartnell-era serials to watch!) The next three serials will be The Highlanders (!!!), The Underwater Menace & The Moonbase, the last two I may supplement with my Lost in Time DVD collection.
Previous recaps
The Dalek Invasion of Earth
The Time Meddler
The War Machines
The Smugglers
- So this serial picks up from where we left off at the end of The War Machines, with Ben & Polly going into the TARDIS to return One's key to him, then him taking off with them inside. This could be a bit harder to recap, because it's a recon, but I'll do my best!
One seems quite angry to have uninvited guests in his ship this time, but actually, I don't think of him as being angry so much as just very surprised. He says himself he thought he would finally be alone after leaving 1966. I think if he were really angry, he would have made a point of throwing Ben & Polly off the TARDIS right then & there, if they hadn't already demateralised. Also, I doubt he would have explained certain aspects of the TARDIS to them like he did if he was so angry or he was planning on ditching them at some point.
- I love Ben's initial shock when he & Polly are inside the TARDIS for the first time. Polly seems to stay very level headed, even though she's just stepped into a huge room in what she thought was a mere police box. It's a good contrast to Ben's shock & general reactions, I think. She doesn't scream or panic, she just listens & asks questions. Very good on her!
- I am a bit surprised that Ben refuses to believe that he's in a time machine, considering what he just went through with One in The War Machines. But I suppose those were a bit of a different set of circumstances - Ben was in his own time, dealing with something dangerous on his territory, not in an alien land millions of years in the past or future. So his reactions are a bit surprising to me, but also a fair bit understandable.
- Teehee! Polly pinched Ben! Well, he did ask for it, so he can't complain now, eh? ::giggles::
- & of course the Doctor's off to follow them - did you really believe he wouldn't? Did anyone really believe he didn't want to keep Ben & Polly safe?
- Polly's enthusiasm is so cute! & any thoughts I may have had as to One's feelings toward them? All gone, save for that he does want them there!
- O dear . . . seventeenth century?
- Polly doesn't like being called Duchess & she doesn't like being called a lad. But Ben just said one of my favourite lines ever! 'Listen to our little dolly rocker Duchess!' LOVE YA, BEN!
- Polly's pragmatic side is showing & Ben's sarcastic, annoyed side is coming out. But still, v. awesome, the both of them! & I DO love how the first things on Ben's mind is some good beer. ::giggles:: Sailors! ::giggle::
- Ben ready to fight for One! GO BEN! ::waves pompoms:: Seriously, I ♥ Ben even more every minute.
- I quite like how Polly insists that Ben be seen to after somebody finally shows up to help her. & I'm glad Ben wasn't too severely injured!
- ARGH NOW I'M WORRIED FOR ONE DAMMIT. I know he can help himself, but still, I'm worried how he's going to get away from a band of pirates & their ship. ::chews fingers::
- WHAT THE HELL WHY ARE BEN & POLLY BEING ARRESTED. Another reason to worry now! & I am worried if they're going to find out Polly's no boy - that could be quite dangerous for her.
- One is quite brave (& a bit saucy!) when being threatened by pirates! & surprisingly, still dapper-looking even when a bit torn up.
- POLLY LOVES THEIR PREDICAMENT! & Ben's all whiny & sour about it - ha! Polly = the better adventuress of the two, perhaps? But seriously, I love how Polly's the one finding the adventure & excitement in their problem, even if she has been accused of murder & is currently sitting in gaol.
- Wait, Polly's excited one minute, then she's screaming about a rat? EXCUSE ME? Hello, inconsistant writing.
Or maybe not inconsistent, but that bit bugs me a fair bit.
- Ah, but Kickass!Polly returns just a bit later, with her plan of faking witchery! ::grins:: Go Polly, go Polly! But alas, for her good moment, we must have her irritating fear of rats - girl, you're in a seventeenth-century gaol - OF COURSE THERE'LL BE RATS! Don't tell me you expected it to be all nice & clean!
(but really, I blame the writers, not Polly. Silly writers.)
- One's got brains, gentility, & he knows how to work the right people in the write places - I'm jealous of Susan getting to be his granddaughter! I love One's manipulation of Captain Pike by playing to his apparent vanity & his flattery of him. One is a BADASS, I must reiterate!
- Polly's become 'Paul' now & GO GIRL, GO GIRL, PLAY ON SEVENTEENTH-CENTURY FEAR LIKE THAT! ::hugs her:: & Ben is a great accomplice in her plans, I must say. But Polly Wright FTMFW, BITCHES! & YAY, THEY'RE FREE! Thanks to Polly's snappy thinking, of course!
Seriously. I love this girl. She's as worthy a companion to the Doctor as any of her predecessors!
- Ben & Polly playing detective together is kind of cute, actually. & awww, Ben's worried about Polly's safety. ♥
- Ben, while not as sophisticated as One, is pretty good at getting information when he wants it, at least so far.
- Hmm. The Squire sounds a bit like One. Just a note!
- & quite an ending to leave off on - I'm rather worried for Ben & Polly now! Where is One, o, where IS he?!
- OMG, One's telling fortunes now! HOW DOES HE GET MORE AWESOME WITH EVERY SERIAL? & hmm . . . I wonder what One's up to . . . doesn't seem like him, telling fortunes - O! PLOY! V. good show Doctor, v. good show! ::shan't doubt One again::
(but I'd not be surprised if the Doctor knew how to tell fortunes in different ways - even if he's really more a man of science & exploration, that doesn't mean he wouldn't know how to perhaps read a tea leaf or two, or cut a Tarot deck.)
- Phew! At last, Ben & Polly have a partial believer! But a partial believer is better than what they had before - nothing!
- OMG ONE'S BACK!! ::hugs him:: Now, the three of them shall kick some pirate arse!
- Wow. One . . . damn, I haven't even got words, but the fact that he feels so morally obligated & responsible for protecting the village is . . . wow. I am . . . I mean, I know all of the Doctor is like that, but hearing him explain it in such solid terms just blows me away. Not that I didn't expect him to try & save the village, along with Ben & Polly, nor did I expect him to run off & leave the village to its own fate so the three of them could go elsewhere, but I don't think I'd expected him to be so open in explaining his feelings about it to Ben. I really can see Barbara's good influence shining through now & I can see that is something she left with him & that he'll not lose, ever.
(um, in short, One is love. & I totally love him even more now, if such a thing is possible.)
- & I love how Polly sides with One completely. She's full of strength & compassion & I love her so. & Ben! I'm a bit disappointed in him for wanting to run off & let the village die so easily, but I'm glad he came around somewhat.
- Ooo! Ben & Polly's lark in the graveyard helped One figure out the churchwarden's riddle! & they're getting all the pieces together at quite a pace!
- One's v. brave to make Ben & Polly leave him like that to keep them safe. & Ben's awesome for saying he'll be back for him. ::nods::
- One's so honourable, even when dealing with the likes of Captain Pike. ♥ WHY DO PEOPLE DISRESPECT HIM SO MUCH?!
- ::sighs:: I sort of find Ben rescuing Polly from pirates to be terribly romantic. ::blushes::
- & off they (& I!) go onto their next destination, which, sadly, will be One's final story. But it must be faced with a clear mind, & a brave heart.
The Tenth Planet
- Oooo, the opening titles are quite ominous for this serial - I love them! Immediately makes me think of Cybermen. (& yay, a Kit Pedler story!)
- This serial, if I remember right, is almost entirely intact, save for the final story, which is a recon. So it should be a bit easier for me to recap for the most part. (I'm thinking recapping a serial that's a recon is an art that must be learnt a bit slowly, if one means to pick it up properly!)
- 'Doctor, you have a fantastic wardrobe!' YES! Proof that the Doctor's always had one hell of a wardrobe, even if he was only travelling with Susan! & I LOVE Polly's choice - supercute & warm! & aww, how sweet is it that she gently fusses over One's warmth? 'Like toast, my dear!' LOVE.
- Random fashion note: Polly's carrying a muff! Stylish indeed!
- Sigh, men gawking at pretty, dolly, jolly Polly already? MEN.
- Ha, One doesn't tolerate ANYONE speaking him in a rude tone! Respect the Doctor or get cut!
- 1986?! OMG. I was expecting them to land in the twenty-first century myself, but 1986?! That's three years before I was born! Wild, man.
- Hmm, so this tenth planet is between Mars & Venus? Why did I think it was near Pluto? (yes, this was the 1960s, Pluto was still a planet!)
- One's knowledge of what this planet means is sort of giving me the creeps. I don't really want to speculate as to what the planet is myself, but his knowing it is just creepy.
- LOLZ, THEY'RE GOING TO TRY & BREAK INTO THE TARDIS? LOLZ, I SAY AGAIN.
- UM. I think we just had our first - no, we HAVE just had our first sighting of Mondasian Cybermen! WHOA. & yes, they disturb me as well as the Telosian ones do. Right now, it's all in their faces.
- Okay, the Cybermen are in the base now. & they're scary, okay?! & their voices are kind of creeeepy.
- Mondasian Cybermen are an interesting breed & they are NOT like the Telosian breed, which is what most of us have seen in future serials - the Mondasian breed only had one serial, I think, & it was this one.
nentari & I have/are having quite an interesting talk about the differences between Mondasian, Telosian & Cybus Cybermen, the latter being the new series ones. The Mondasian ones seem, to me, just a slight bit more human than the Telosian ones, or even the Cybus ones. They're more willing to answer human queries about who & what they are, as well as how they became what they are now. They also seem more inclined to carry on a conversation, or something like one, with humans, whereas Telosian & Cybus Cybermen are more of the 'convert Also, their design is vastly different from their counterparts - more bulky & more tubed in the front, & far less of a metallic face. In fact, their faces remind me of clown faces - & I'm somewhat scared of clowns.
& also, the Mondasian Cybermen still have the stealth of the Telosian ones - which is something the Cybus Cybermen of the new series irritatingly lost - honestly, if the Mondasian Cybermen & the Telosian Cybermen went around stomping & clanking like ghosts with rusty chains attached, it would be far too easy for the Doctor to wipe them out before they even showed up!
- So now the Cybermen threw Ben in a projection room & yet, he's learnt from the Doctor already - never give up, no matter how bleak a situation looks. & his remorse at being forced to kill a Cybermen . . . o, Ben. ::hugs::
(& Polly's at his side already!)
- I was actually only planning to go to the second story tonight, but I'm on the third story & I just can't stop watching! Anyway, Cybermen are - O FUCK! One just collapsed! One just collapsed & the Cybermen are bringing in more & along with spaceships. This is not the best time for One to be taken ill!
- Polly says he just seems worn out. I'm pretty worried about the Doctor, my own self! But I rather liked how Ben insists that he & Polly get back to the others & that there's nothing they can do for him. Be that as it may, I'm worried about One.
- HA. Polly may appear to be making coffee, but that girl's working her ulterior motives in-between adding sugar & cream! To all the Polly haters - SHE'S NOT JUST THE MOTHERFUCKING TEA GIRL, BITCHES! She's got someone on her, Ben & One's side now. Not bad for someone everyone always calls a 'screamer' & 'a tea lady'. IN YOUR FACES, POLLY'S AWESOME.
- Oooo, v. James Bond there Ben, crawling through ventilation shafts like that! & he's got his pocket knife! He's ready, folks.
- Another random note - I LOVE Polly's dress! (or is it a jumper?) Overall, she really looks just fabulous! & her EYES! I WANT HER EYES, OR AT LEAST, HER EYE MAKEUP.
- JERK KNOCKED BEN OUT! ::growls:: But at least Polly's there to help him out a bit. (he looks so sweet whilst unconscious . . . but they both look quite sweet together.)
- Okay, we're in recon mode now - & it is a GREAT recon, seriously. An absolutely cracking recon.
- 'I guess this old body of mine is wearing a bit thin.'
O, One. I . . . I know what will come next . . . but I don't want you to leave!
- Wow, owing a Cyberman your life . . . not a concept I'm so readily familiar with. & saving a Cyberman as well . . . wow.
- Ben is going to cut a Cyberman if they touch Polly. Seriously.
- FUCKERS ARE NOT CONVERTING POLLY, FUCK THAT NOISE. & if they do, Ben & One will rip their heads right off.
- I'm sorry, but the Mondasian Cybermen have faces that are freaking me the fuck out - they look too fucking much like clowns! ::hides::
- WHOA, WHOA, GO BEN! He's caught on that Cybermen can't handle radiation! That would make him the first companion of the Doctor's to realise that Cybermen cannot face radiation without dying.
(incidentally, Polly's the one who kicked some Cybermen arse with nail varnish remover! Those two were damn good against Cybermen!)
- ::is scared for Polly & One::
- Ben is showing his snappy, hit-the-ground-fighting traits again, just like he showed us in The War Machines. ROCK ON, BEN! I just hope he'll be okay after being so close to radioactive materials!
- I love Ben. Sometimes, so far, he's bugged me a bit, but he's awesome & I do love him. He really is a great companion.
- WHOA. Mondas disintegrates, & so do the Cybermen? AWESOME!
- & now Ben's saving Polly & One! But One . . . he doesn't look good at all. He sounds awful & he looks so weak . . .
- Okay, this is . . . not good. He can barely even get Ben & Polly inside the TARDIS! & the TARDIS doesn't even sound like herself!
- & . . . . he's gone. Just like that. He collapsed & One . . . isn't One anymore.
(okay, going to have a bit of sap for a moment here.)
In the mix I made about the nine times the Doctor has regenerated, I used the song Airbag by Radiohead, because, based on the research I'd done on One's regeneration, I felt like it fit his moment of regeneration, particularly the line 'In an interstellar burst/I'm back to save the universe'.
& that's just what happens.
Still . . . I miss One already. ::sad sigh::
Also,
nentari & I once had a bit of discussion on what it was that caused One to regenerate - was it because of the Cybermen, or was it simply because his original body was finally forced to regenerate, or he would have died? After watching, I'm pretty much solid on the idea of his regeneration coming about because his first body was just too old & had been through too much & if he hadn't regenerated when he did, he would have died altogether. Also, there is enough evidence throughout the story that his body was finally showing signs of age & that a regeneration would have to come soon.(I should also say that I am one hundred percent sure that the first body we see the Doctor in is the body he was born with.)
The Power of the Daleks
- Picking up where we left off, One has just regenerated into his second body on the floor of the TARDIS, in front of Ben & Polly, who are lost as fuck as to what's just happened.
- & Patrick Troughton's off to a GREAT start as our second Doctor! I love his post-regeneration scene - v. well played & v. in-keeping with what I've seen the Doctor like after he's regenerated.
- Teehee! Now he's got to examine his new face. & his muscles are a bit tight, alas.
- Now everything's beginning to fall into place for all three of them - Two knows he's the Doctor now, or at least he seems to.
- THE RECORDER!! I LOVE IT! Aww! & he's got his five hundred year diary & knows who Ben is - okay, getting there now, I'd say.
- I love how Polly's the one with full faith in the Doctor; that it is the Doctor & he'll be okay, while Ben's insanely sceptical about everything that's going on around him. It's a good contrast both to each other & to Two's own confusion.
- HE'S PLAYING IT AGAIN. ♥ & Ben appears to be none too happy about it. He's even shouted at Polly. Yeah, he's not in the best of moods. & AWWW, STILL PLAYING IT. I think he's rather good, myself.
- O yeah, this is so the Doctor - plotty, cunning, sneaky & with just the right card up his sleeve. ::grins:: Loving him already, on his first serial! I do hope Ben cuts the 'OMG THIS AIN'T THE DOCTOR!' bollocks already. Preferably very soon.
- I have a really bad feeling about that capsule & the first serial's half over. Meep.
- Two is awesomely sneaky, I have GOT to say that.
- FUCK. Daleks. Well . . . they don't look as deadly as the ones I've seen, but WHAT is that thing on the floor?! & where's the fourth one?
- GAH THAT THING IS DISGUSTING! It looks like a bloody mutated jellyfish!
(I think I've also forgotten that this IS the first time Ben & Polly have ever seen a Dalek. They've met Cybermen, but not Daleks.)
- Christ on a cracker . . . I'm sorry, Cybermen may scare me more, but Daleks can do it pretty well too. & Two saying only one Dalek would be needed to wipe out the whole colony on Vulcan . . . I find it chilling.
- HA! Two's sauciness is sexy! ::blows kiss::
- He's only just regenerated, but he's got the spark & fire of his later time - ♥ Two ♥
- DUDE, WTF, ARE YOU AN IDIOT? WHY ARE TRYING TO REVIVE THE DALEKS? Why don't people just listen to the Doctor when he talks?! Melt the pepperpots down!
- Hee, reference to his meeting Marco Polo! & BEN, CUT THE BITCHING, PLEASE. Polly, however, gets a cupcake for believing him to be the real Doctor.
- 'I never talk nonsense. Well, hardly ever.'
- Wow. Two's actually giving me a bit of a spook in this serial - he's never done that before. It's his mysteriousness, his sense of confusion, the hint of darkness I keep feeling from him. I don't think I've ever known one to be like this - he's always been the Doctor I'd want to be best friends with, to go dancing with, & learn to play recorder from. I know there's more to him than his outward silliness & cheerful disposition, like how there's more to Eight than his giddiness & Romantic tendencies, but unlike with Eight, I've never seen Two's darker side - or maybe I have & don't remember it - prior to now. I've seen his cleverness, his wit, his capabilities, but not so much this . . . darkness I just feel from him in this story.
- EARTH PEOPLE ARE TWITS. WHY, WHY, WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO REVIVE A DAMN DALEK?! Okay, FINE, get your silly selves exterminated, so you don't pollute the rest of the human gene pool by procreating. ::sighs loudly::
- More recorder playing! & I love the discussion between Polly & Ben over the deputy governor's guilt or innocence. I think it's an interesting showcase of their personalities, as well as their emotions & of course, their feelings on the situation at hand.
- O, FUCK ME, WHY ARE EARTH PEOPLE SUCH FOOLS. & Two agrees with me, I see. ::glares:: (& maybe NOW Ben will quit the bitching about him being the Doctor or not.)
- The very last half of the second serial, when the Dalek begins to speak, & Two's desperately trying to explain a Dalek's true nature & both are sort of vocally (or should I say aurally?) overlaid is both haunting & chilling.
. . . Okay, it's just scary. To me, anyway. People, just melt down the Daleks before you get yourselves wiped out!
- Any time a Dalek claims to be 'helping' a human? It's time to bash the thing in the eyestalk with a baseball bat.
- GET YOUR GRUBBY HANDS OFF MY DUCHESS BASTARDS!
- More recorder playing! & when Ben finds out they've kidnapped Polly, he is going to blow a frakkin' fuse.
- O, sure, let's just hand over lots of shiny stuff to the Daleks all willy-nilly, why don't we? ::sighs even louder::
- O.fuck.me. The Daleks have all been reactivated. That colony is SCREWED.
- O no. Two's been discovered. Now HE'S screwed!
- & now people are leaving pseudo-ransom notes about Polly? ::glowers:: NOT ON.
- HALLELUJAH, SOMEONE'S SLOWLY BEGINNING TO AGREE WITH TWO.
- Dalek reproduction is . . . . well . . . . let's pretend I don't know about it, okay?
- 'You think you're very tough, don't you, pushing a girl around. I'd like to see you come up against a real man.'
'Like who?'
'Like Ben for instance!'
♥♥♥♥
Polly-girl, you are the awesome.
- . . . . Did Two just use his recorder to break out of a prison cell?
THAT RECORDER IS A WEAPON IN HIS HANDS! & he is made of some serious win, people.
- For some reason, I find Two telling Polly that Ben can take care of himself to be quite sweet.
- & yes, the ending of the fifth part gave me some massive chills. Dalek voices are v. scary when they layer over each other like that.
- My shippy little heart went all fluttery when Ben & Polly finally got to see each other again. Awww.
- Ben comforting Polly! O . . . ♥♥
- 'Why can't you just take all the plugs out and cut the power?'
'Because I prefer to do it my way!'
Hee! I love Two's stubbornness; it's one of my favourite things about him.
- Something I've not noted yet - the concept of one scientist 'giving' life to the Daleks - it feels very Frankenstein-esque, in my opinion. Not only were the Daleks brought to life by a human, they killed humans as well. Of course, all under very different circumstances. But it did put me in mind of the story.
- Ah, a sneaky escape, as the Doctor prefers. ::smiles:: & more recorder playing!!
- & away they go, off to new places & new faces! Bravo, bravo! ::claps::
Whew! This was the official beginning of the great & mighty Troughton rewatch-athon & alas, the ending point of the Hartnell era for now. (but I've a load of Hartnell-era serials to watch!) The next three serials will be The Highlanders (!!!), The Underwater Menace & The Moonbase, the last two I may supplement with my Lost in Time DVD collection.
Previous recaps
The Dalek Invasion of Earth
The Time Meddler
The War Machines
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Date: 2009-07-07 09:21 am (UTC)Oh, I know what you mean. I loved to say outrageous things at my best friend from high school, because she'd pull an amazing outraged!Victoria-like face. It was sort of my way of getting even because she got to meet Alan Rickman (who made her crawl like a snake and gave her presents) and I didn't. :P
If I may be randomly off-topic for a moment - DOCTOR/MASTER YAY. :D Canon since . . . 1973.
Actually, the Master's first official appearance dates from 1971, while his unofficial appearance (of which I spoke of in one of my other comments) is from 1969 - if you believe that's him, that is.
I'm sorry if my questions are annoying the hell out of you (just say so & I'll just look everything up myself!), but I'm curious - this means The Mark of the Rani occurs right after Trial of A Time Lord & is, in essence, Seven's first serial?
No, not Mark of the Rani - that's her first appearance, and takes place halfway through Six's arch. However, Time and the Rani, her other atory, is indeed the serial that follows Trial of a Time Lord and is Seven's first story. Whatever happened between Trial and Time and the Rani, like Six meeting Mel and all the adventures they had together, is either open for fan speculation or available in Big Finish audios (Six's adventures with Evelyn Smythe also take place between Trial and Six meeting Mel).
& I was thinking about this earlier today & would you say Margaret would be a bit like a Donna-sort of companion for the Doctor?
Oh, definitely. She would scream at him/her and be all bossy and kick him/her on the head when (s)he needed it.
May I ask if Margaret at least SEES the inside of the TARDIS? I'd LOVE to see her 'it's bigger on the inside!' reaction. ^_^
Sadly, Margaret's role in The Rutan Relics is a bit small, and she's there mostly to kick Frank when he gets too insufferable. It is implied that she has seen the inside of the TARDIS when Nine visited the 4077th, though (she and Radar being the only people in the camp who know the truth about the Doctor, which just goes to show how clever she is).
(hee - in my dream lineup of companions, Zoe's totally a part of it, along with Jamie, Ace & Leela. They'd totally be fine in their own TARDIS! But Susan could always come along, as she knows how to fly it maybe a bit better. :D)
You need a Donna there. You can never go wrong with Donna Noble around. :)
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Date: 2009-07-08 09:39 am (UTC)That gets both an 'O my!' & a 'HEEHEE!' from me. :D
Actually, the Master's first official appearance dates from 1971, while his unofficial appearance (of which I spoke of in one of my other comments) is from 1969 - if you believe that's him, that is.
O, good! I, um, wasn't totally sure but I decided to chance it. (uh, maybe bomb-defusing isn't in my immediate future.) I've still not really decided WHERE the War Chief falls in for myself, really - I suppose I'll wait til I meet him to see. (but I don't discount him as a possible source of inspiration for the Master, like I don't completely discount the Robomen as possible inspiration for the Cybermen)
No, not Mark of the Rani - that's her first appearance, and takes place halfway through Six's arch. However, Time and the Rani, her other atory, is indeed the serial that follows Trial of a Time Lord and is Seven's first story.
AH, OKAY! Yes, I think I could still get it if I wanted to. But argh, sorry for the mixup! But I KNEW it was one of them. :)
Sadly, Margaret's role in The Rutan Relics is a bit small, and she's there mostly to kick Frank when he gets too insufferable. It is implied that she has seen the inside of the TARDIS when Nine visited the 4077th, though (she and Radar being the only people in the camp who know the truth about the Doctor, which just goes to show how clever she is).
DUDE, TEN SHOULD HAVE HAD MARGARET IN THE TARDIS DURING SERIES THREE & FOUR. (even though I heart Donna, of course!) but I think Margaret would have been quite good for him post-Rose. :D (not that Martha wasn't, but um, am I making sense? I hope so!)
Aww! But still, I'll be content with her meeting the Doctor anyhow. ^-^
& YES, A DONNA SHOULD BE THERE. Too many young people in the TARDIS could get a bit crazy, after all - Donna would keep everyone in line! :D
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Date: 2009-07-08 10:00 am (UTC)She managed to do a summer course for teens at RADA, and her teacher was none other than Rickman - who apparently likes to make his students pretend they're trees and snakes. :P At the end of the course, he gave her a book of Shakespeare's sonnets, in which he wrote "Shall I or shan't I? Alan Rickman." - which I held in my hands, making me one degree closer to the man. :D
I've still not really decided WHERE the War Chief falls in for myself, really - I suppose I'll wait til I meet him to see.
I think it's better. I mean, I've watched both The War Games and Terror of the Autons (Delgado!Master's first appearance) several times, and I still haven't reached a definite personal conclusion.
But argh, sorry for the mixup! But I KNEW it was one of them. :)
It's an understandable confusion, since both titles are so similar - I had to check an episode guide to see if it was the right one myself, since I didn't want you to get the wrong one by accident.
but I think Margaret would have been quite good for him post-Rose. :D (not that Martha wasn't, but um, am I making sense? I hope so!)
I think Martha's problem is that he should have had Margaret first - she'd kick his ass every time he'd go "Woe is me, I miss mah Rose!" and he'd then be less likely to be such a jerk with the whole Rose business while he was with Martha.
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Date: 2009-07-08 10:52 am (UTC)O. MY. GIDDY. AUNT! WHAT a lucky lassie! When I studied theatre, a girl several years ahead of me (who I had a terrible crush on, incidentally) had done something similar & I was just like ZOMG!!! when a friend of mine who was in her class mentioned that to me. I don't know if she met anyone of such renown as your friend did, but still - studying for a summer IN ENGLAND, AT RADA. I was slightly envious & all agog over that news, I will say! :D
I've watched both The War Games and Terror of the Autons (Delgado!Master's first appearance) several times, and I still haven't reached a definite personal conclusion.
Eeep. Yes, probably better to wait & see. Which is something I try to remember & do now when it comes to Classic!Who now, instead of just reading about it.
It's an understandable confusion, since both titles are so similar - I had to check an episode guide to see if it was the right one myself, since I didn't want you to get the wrong one by accident.
O! I DO wish they hadn't given her only two stories such similar titles! She sounds awesome enough for two different titles, I think.
I think Martha's problem is that he should have had Margaret first - she'd kick his ass every time he'd go "Woe is me, I miss mah Rose!" and he'd then be less likely to be such a jerk with the whole Rose business while he was with Martha.
EXACTLY! (& I think that merits the ONLY Two icon I haven't used yet in a conversation!)
& since I feel like a curious miss, what do you think Ten's FORMER regenerations would have said to him over his being like that & being so mean to poor Martha? I think One would have knocked him on the head with his walking stick & reminded him about Susan. To me, SUSAN'S the bigger loss - she was family! Rose was a romantic relationship. TOTALLY different stakes there.
(random Martha sidebar: I really like Martha. But I HATE, HATE, HATE how she was written - I felt like the writers just wanted to define her character through how she felt about Ten & THAT'S what pissed me off so much about series three & why I didn't like her at first. I felt her potential was just wasted up until the end of series three. THEN we were shown how brave & awesome she truly could be. & in Torchwood, she's AMAZING. She should have been asked to stay, I think. But she's good at UNIT too - & not the first companion to be at UNIT after a travel with the Doctor!)
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Date: 2009-07-08 11:11 am (UTC)She was. I'm terribly jealous!
& since I feel like a curious miss, what do you think Ten's FORMER regenerations would have said to him over his being like that & being so mean to poor Martha?
I doubt any of them would have been pleased. In the Fourteenverse Three talked to Jo about Jamie a lot, but I doubt he was insufferable about it - and he definitely did not annoy Sarah Jane with how much he missed Jo, either. I can also see Five rolling his eyes, and Seven leaving the room for a moment after quietly telling Ace to do something to the skinny guy with the pinstripe suit. :P
As for Two, I'd like to link you to a beautiful fic called A Moment's Grace, in which Martha meets Two during The Year That Never Was.
To me, SUSAN'S the bigger loss - she was family! Rose was a romantic relationship. TOTALLY different stakes there.
That comic book I mentioned recently, The Forgotten, has a showdown in the final issue in which Verity (i.e., the human manifestation of the TARDIS takes the form of several former companions). After the threat was over, Ten asks her to assume the shape of one specific companion he wants to see more than anyone else - and when I read his request I started to groan, because if the comic had been written by RTD, it would have been Rose. Imagine my relief when I turned the page and Verity had become Susan. :)
I really like Martha. But I HATE, HATE, HATE how she was written - I felt like the writers just wanted to define her character through how she felt about Ten
I know what you mean - there's so many levels of amazing in Martha, but the writers focused on nothing else besides her crush. Ugh.
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Date: 2009-07-08 12:02 pm (UTC)All agreed, particularly the last one. :P That is, if Seven didn't 'accidentally' trip Ten with his umbrella, or spill a bit of tea on him. ::slightly evil smile:: I feel like Six would have just sighed heavily, then just interrupted Ten in the middle of some Rose-coloured lament to talk about something else for just a FEW minutes. Eight might be a bit sympathetic for a bit, but finally, he'd probably just point out that all of him have experienced some sort of traumatic loss at some point & that Rose really isn't that special a case. But he'd be a gentleman about it! :D
& thankyou for the fic! ::hops off to read it:: Two & Martha meeting up is a thought that hadn't crossed my mind, I think.
That comic book I mentioned recently, The Forgotten, has a showdown in the final issue in which Verity (i.e., the human manifestation of the TARDIS takes the form of several former companions). After the threat was over, Ten asks her to assume the shape of one specific companion he wants to see more than anyone else - and when I read his request I started to groan, because if the comic had been written by RTD, it would have been Rose. Imagine my relief when I turned the page and Verity had become Susan. :)
O! That must have been wonderful, both for Ten & for YOU reading it! I wouldn't mind Ten & Susan meeting up again, because she IS his granddaughter, but I think that's where Ten & I part. I hope Eleven gets to meet some former companions! (& some of his older, even scarier enemies. :D)
Poor Susan - is she EVER mentioned in the new series? If not - that makes me mad. How 'convenient' of RTD to just ignore Susan having ever existed. Susan SHOULD be mentioned in the new series, I think - she WAS a major part of the Doctor's life - she even shaped his choice of companions, to a certain extent.
I know what you mean - there's so many levels of amazing in Martha, but the writers focused on nothing else besides her crush. Ugh.
I KNOW! THAT'S what made me hate her when I first met her - her crush was so obvious a BLIND person could see it, seriously. Then I realised that it wasn't so much HER I hated, but the way she was WRITTEN - as some soppy little girl crushing on the ever-so-perfect-Doctor who just ignores her like a complete jerk BECAUSE SHE ISN'T ROSE, OMG. Martha's introductory episode I thought set her up very nicely & made her way different from Rose - whereas Rose hadn't finished school & lived with her mother in a council estate, Martha was working to be a doctor, she had her own place & her own life. I thought she would have been great. But her second episode in (which I like, but not too much some of her actions in it - or Ten's, for that matter), all of that was gone & replaced by 'O, I fancy you & we're sharing a bed!'
But don't even get me started on Ten's saying WHEN SHE'S TRYING TO HELP HIM OUT, 'Rose would know what to do.' I really wanted to throw him off the bed for being so rude to her. I don't blame her annoyance with him AT all there.
Just . . . Ten needed some serious bitchslapping A LOT in series three & well . . . okay, almost always. Pretty, yes, but not nearly as fascinating as his predecessors, I would say now.
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Date: 2009-07-08 01:30 pm (UTC)The umbrella would have been very much in-character. And then, when Ten looked at him surprised, Seven would raise his hat to him in form of greeting with the most angelic face he could muster. >:D
I feel like Six would have just sighed heavily, then just interrupted Ten in the middle of some Rose-coloured lament to talk about something else for just a FEW minutes.
Himself, most likely. *grins* Though if he was really annoyed with the conversation, he'd probably say something like, "What about Peri, Doctor? You do remember her, don't you?"
Eight might be a bit sympathetic for a bit, but finally, he'd probably just point out that all of him have experienced some sort of traumatic loss at some point & that Rose really isn't that special a case. But he'd be a gentleman about it! :D
Or he'd look at Ten while he was talking and mutter "Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam..." to himself until Ten got the hint and shut up. :P
Poor Susan - is she EVER mentioned in the new series? If not - that makes me mad. How 'convenient' of RTD to just ignore Susan having ever existed.
He mentioned having been a father to Rose at some point (making her look at him with a "WTF?" face) and tells Donna that he lost his family in The Doctor's Daughter, but he is yet to mention Susan by herself. *shakes head* Let's hope Moffatt corrects this.
But don't even get me started on Ten's saying WHEN SHE'S TRYING TO HELP HIM OUT, 'Rose would know what to do.' I really wanted to throw him off the bed for being so rude to her. I don't blame her annoyance with him AT all there.
I would have kicked him out. Heck, ROSE would have kicked him out.
Pretty, yes, but not nearly as fascinating as his predecessors, I would say now.
Just because an actor has a cute accent in real life doesn't make his character likeable in my books. That said, Tennant at times annoys me as much as Ten - the only exception being his story about how he met Wendy Padbury, which he narrates in the hidden commentaries from The Five Doctors.
Which reminds me - I've recently watched a YouTube video in which Padders describes how she was the agent who discovered Matt Smith, and the way she seems to fangirl him (and how much she SQUEED about him being cast as Eleven) gives me high hopes about the boy. He's got the Zoe Heriot Seal of Approval TM. :D
On the other hand, David Tennant freaked her out when he was a young unknown, which I think says it all.
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Date: 2009-07-08 02:29 pm (UTC)O YES! ::giggles:: He DOES do that to a cheetah person in Survival after all! :D & I can totally see Ten's face after being tripped by, well . . . himself! & O, IT MAKES ME LAUGH. XD
Himself, most likely. *grins* Though if he was really annoyed with the conversation, he'd probably say something like, "What about Peri, Doctor? You do remember her, don't you?"
Now this would be an instant I'd be PLEASED to hear Six talk about himself for a solid ten minutes - FAR more interesting than another 'I MISS MY ROOOOOSE OMG!' cryfest from Ten. & YES! He SHOULD bring up Peri! Let's see what Ten says to THAT.
Or he'd look at Ten while he was talking and mutter "Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam..." to himself until Ten got the hint and shut up. :P
Or possibly ask if he even remembers his epic affair with Fitz to throw Ten off-balance entirely.
He mentioned having been a father to Rose at some point (making her look at him with a "WTF?" face) and tells Donna that he lost his family in The Doctor's Daughter, but he is yet to mention Susan by herself. *shakes head* Let's hope Moffatt corrects this.
I remember the former very well, but not the latter - I am so done with Ten I can barely sit through any of his stories. But I would LOVE IT if Eleven mentioned Susan. Or you know - ANYONE THAT ISN'T ROSE.
I would have kicked him out. Heck, ROSE would have kicked him out.
SERIOUSLY! I mean, it doesn't matter that they weren't actually, well . . . doing anything in the bed, but you don't say something like that & just ignore what someone just said to you! I mean, how bloody tasteless is THAT?I'm sure Rose would have been like, 'Doctor, that's kind of rude.'
Just because an actor has a cute accent in real life doesn't make his character likeable in my books.
YES, THANKYOU. I mean, if someone's pretty or has a lovely voice, it can't fully compensate in other areas! There are a few actresses I can think of who are pretty, but they're genuinely horrible at acting & no matter what their character is, I just end up disliking them. Though I've not found David annoying myself - his fangirls on the other hand, YES. His fangirls can be downright scary at times. I do like David & I DEFINITELY wish I could be as thin & as pretty as he is but in a girlish way, & I'll miss him kind of, but meh. His Doctor does NOTHING for me AT ALL anymore. Pretty, yes, but as the Doctor? It's not the same anymore. I just feel that after seeing so much of the original series & DISCUSSING it with you, that David's Doctor had no real substance in the end. He was just pretty & well - the Doctor. The only exception being Time Crash - I think he was great with Peter in it.
(& he has a hidden commentary on The Five Doctors? & he met Wendy? Ooo, I should find this - I found two cute Easter eggs on my Tomb of the Cybermen DVD!)
Which reminds me - I've recently watched a YouTube video in which Padders describes how she was the agent who discovered Matt Smith, and the way she seems to fangirl him (and how much she SQUEED about him being cast as Eleven) gives me high hopes about the boy. He's got the Zoe Heriot Seal of Approval TM. :D
OMFG ARE YOU SERIOUS?! SHE discovered him?! OMG! I was already warming to Matt Smith as Eleven (well, you know how I'm looking forward to Ten being GONE, anyway!) but I had NO idea Wendy was the one who found him in the first place! That is SO awesome, definitely. :D
On the other hand, David Tennant freaked her out when he was a young unknown, which I think says it all.
Hmm, did she say why, just out of curiosity?
(When I started watching the new series, David was the ONLY Doctor I knew & I just wanted to skip ahead & see his stuff, but the friend of mine who told me to see it wouldn't let me. :D I'm glad she didn't!)
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Date: 2009-07-08 03:19 pm (UTC)Brilliant, that would have been.
Now this would be an instant I'd be PLEASED to hear Six talk about himself for a solid ten minutes
I know Peri would disagree with me on this, but I actually like Six's narsissistic self-adoration. Yet another reason why the song for Babelcolour's tribute to Six is so perfect: the lyrics "I look handsome, I look smart, I am a walking work of art."
Or possibly ask if he even remembers his epic affair with Fitz to throw Ten off-balance entirely.
That would shut him up, defnitiely.
Or maybe the mention of three little words: Charlotte Elspeth Pollard.
But I would LOVE IT if Eleven mentioned Susan. Or you know - ANYONE THAT ISN'T ROSE.
I should point out that, since Eleven will be a Steven Moffat creation, he'll probably mention River instead.
Or maybe Jane from Coupling.Another bit of trivia: I've realized some time ago that I must have "borrowed" some traits from Francesca Annis' portrayal of Tuppence Beresford in the 1983 TV adaptation of Agatha Christie's Partners in Crime when I created Fourteen (it has to be Annis' take on Tuppence, mind - there's no trace of Fourteen in any other portrayal of the character; book!Tuppence, however, is also very Fourteenish). Anyway, if you have this in mind it's funny to think that Ralph Fiennes used to be married to Alex Kingston (River) but left her for Francesca Annis. Fourteen > River?
Though I've not found David annoying myself - his fangirls on the other hand, YES. His fangirls can be downright scary at times.
David himself annoys me at times. One day, a reporter asked him what actor he would cast as Eleven, and he said (very seriously, I should add) "Billie Piper." GROAN!
& he has a hidden commentary on The Five Doctors?
It's the Five Doctors Easter Egg - a commentary by Tennant and some writers from the new series.
I found two cute Easter eggs on my Tomb of the Cybermen DVD!
There's a third one, actually. I've recently found a list of the existing Who Easter Eggs on a website with small audio files from Old School episodes - I can link you to them if you want.
OMFG ARE YOU SERIOUS?! SHE discovered him?! OMG!
The vid is here, if you want to listen to it.
Hmm, did she say why, just out of curiosity?
It wasn't her - it was Tennant in the Easter Egg commentary. Apparently when he phoned her agency while trying to find someone to represent her, he had a squeefest when he realized ZOE was on the other side of the phone. She must have been rather freaked out by his reaction, because he never heard from them again.
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Date: 2009-07-09 08:33 am (UTC)HEE! In another fandom I was in once, that led me partially to Doctor Who, one of my favourite characters was actually VERY much like that - a cross between Six & Ten, actually, & he actually destroyed three-fourths of a solar system in one episode I think. But he was quite awesome despite the above & I quite liked him.
& Peri & I can have funny drinks in the TARDIS while Six goes on & on about himself while we just look at each other & sigh between sips. :P
That would shut him up, defnitiely.
Or maybe the mention of three little words: Charlotte Elspeth Pollard.
YES & YES. ::clings to Charley:: You DID break a few rules there, Doctor, you SHOULD remember THAT. & there WERE other men besides Jack!
& Charley > Rose. Srsly.I should point out that, since Eleven will be a Steven Moffat creation, he'll probably mention River instead.
O, damn, that's a good point. ::cringes:: Maybe we'll be lucky & River will meet the Doctor when he's more like the Valeyard? :D
Another bit of trivia: I've realized some time ago that I must have "borrowed" some traits from Francesca Annis' portrayal of Tuppence Beresford in the 1983 TV adaptation of Agatha Christie's Partners in Crime when I created Fourteen (it has to be Annis' take on Tuppence, mind - there's no trace of Fourteen in any other portrayal of the character; book!Tuppence, however, is also very Fourteenish). Anyway, if you have this in mind it's funny to think that Ralph Fiennes used to be married to Alex Kingston (River) but left her for Francesca Annis. Fourteen > River?
HAHAHA! :D YES, FOURTEEN > RIVER.
There's only ONE River for the Doctor & it ISN'T River Song!OMG, WHAT IF THEY met up? What do you think would happen?David himself annoys me at times. One day, a reporter asked him what actor he would cast as Eleven, and he said (very seriously, I should add) "Billie Piper." GROAN!
O, CHRIST. She's had ENOUGH exposure on Doctor Who; I wouldn't WANT her to be the first girl!Doctor!
& I . . . um . . . found that commentary this morning . . . . & watched it all the way through. BUT IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN DONE FOR THE RECAPPING SO IT DOESN'T COUNT? Well, anyway, It was amusing to listen to, but I found David a bit grating at times, honestly. & also, I don't particularly like Helen Raynor's scripts for the new series - & one aspect of them I hate is that there are always CRAPPY American accents in them! ::headdesk:: I SWEAR, WE DON'T ALL SOUND LIKE THAT. & I think she wrote the Sontarans TERRIBLY out of character, which enraged me, because they were my very first Classic!Who villains, so I rather like them.
There's a third one, actually. I've recently found a list of the existing Who Easter Eggs on a website with small audio files from Old School episodes - I can link you to them if you want.
O, I'd love that! I, uh . . . am not very good at finding Easter eggs. The first two were just lucky accidents! :D & thankyou for the vid!
& I heard his story about meeting Wendy when I listened to it this morning - it was kind of cute, if odd, somehow. Um, you know what I mean. :D
(I'm amazed I DID hear it over my happy sighs at seeing Jamie & Zoe again & over how rather dapper Jamie looked in his clothes! & I'm not too surprised that Jamie would have been all . . , unbuttoned as he was, if HE was the illusion to appear to Two - Rassilon knows all, after all. ::winkwink::)
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Date: 2009-07-09 10:41 am (UTC)Oh dear. Then he was a cross between Six and Ten with some Master thrown into the mix.
& there WERE other men besides Jack!
Fitz Fitz Fitz Fitz Fitz Fitz Fitz Turlough JAMIE! And, of course, Steven and his shapely bum, which you'll be able to see in all its glory in episode 4 (the one that's not a recon) of The Celestial Toymaker.
Maybe we'll be lucky & River will meet the Doctor when he's more like the Valeyard? :D
Or with luck, he would have met her while he was still Ten, between specials. At least, that was the impression I got from those episodes - that the Doctor she had met was an older Ten (it wouldn't make sense for her to be surprised he couldn't remember her otherwise).
Also, I like to think that the future Doctor everybody seems to have met in Battlefield was Eight.
There's only ONE River for the Doctor & it ISN'T River Song!
*assumes K9 voice* Elaboration, Mistress.
OMG, WHAT IF THEY met up? What do you think would happen?
Well, first of all, Fourteen would give River one of her bone-crushing hugs (I had a lot of fun writing a scene in which she did it to Harry and knocked him out, resulting in Ben taking a step back for fear of the same happening to him). River would then go all O_O when she realized who that tiny woman with the crazy socks was.
& I . . . um . . . found that commentary this morning . . . . & watched it all the way through. BUT IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN DONE FOR THE RECAPPING SO IT DOESN'T COUNT?
Don't worry, it doesn't count, no.
Well, anyway, It was amusing to listen to, but I found David a bit grating at times, honestly.
I'm not surprised. I like David - lovely accent, occasional use of kilts, fanboyish squee, looks adorkable next to Anneke - but he's got that grating quality at times.
& one aspect of them I hate is that there are always CRAPPY American accents in them!
I think the actors and directors are to blame for that one, more than the writers. Not that it apologizes for the rest.
& I think she wrote the Sontarans TERRIBLY out of character, which enraged me, because they were my very first Classic!Who villains, so I rather like them.
Oh dear. I hope I have written Sontarans well enough, because I don't want to upset you when you get to my fics.
O, I'd love that! I, uh . . . am not very good at finding Easter eggs. The first two were just lucky accidents! :D
Here it is, then. It doesn't have the War Games Easter Eggs yet, but give them time - it only came out this Monday, after all.
I'm not too surprised that Jamie would have been all . . , unbuttoned as he was, if HE was the illusion to appear to Two - Rassilon knows all, after all. ::winkwink::
*laughs* Yes, you've got a point there.
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Date: 2009-07-09 11:55 am (UTC)You know, that could be a fair assessment of him. :P But he didn't MEAN to blow up three-fourths of a solar system; his ego was just too big to let him stop his experiments. :P
Fitz Fitz Fitz Fitz Fitz Fitz Fitz Turlough JAMIE! And, of course, Steven and his shapely bum, which you'll be able to see in all its glory in episode 4 (the one that's not a recon) of The Celestial Toymaker.
SQUEEE! ::dances in a sylph-like way:: Pretty pretty men of the TARDIS! :D Non-reconned, even!
Or with luck, he would have met her while he was still Ten, between specials. At least, that was the impression I got from those episodes - that the Doctor she had met was an older Ten (it wouldn't make sense for her to be surprised he couldn't remember her otherwise).
Also, I like to think that the future Doctor everybody seems to have met in Battlefield was Eight.
That would be PLENTY fine with me. I'd rather not see her again, honestly.
& EIGHT?! ::squeals:: Now I'm pulled between asking more questions & wanting to wait until I SEE it . . .
*assumes K9 voice* Elaboration, Mistress.
::Romana!voice:: Of course K-9. The only River in question for the Doctor is this one. Her name is River Tam & can be found in the thirteen episodes of her own show Firefly & later, her own movie Serenity. She's quite a bit like Zoe, actually & a bit like Leela at the same time. She's a seventeen year old genius from the twenty-fifth century, I think, who was trained, as well as having her brain operated on to be made into a psychic assassin, until her brother was able to save her life. As a result, she's been driven insane, but she's still terrifyingly intelligent & incredibly clever & skilled with weapons. ::points to icon:: She can take out a pack of half-human, half-zombie creatures all on her own! & she also loves to dance.
(& I also have an obsession with her dresses. Which is half the story of my username! :D)
Well, first of all, Fourteen would give River one of her bone-crushing hugs (I had a lot of fun writing a scene in which she did it to Harry and knocked him out, resulting in Ben taking a step back for fear of the same happening to him). River would then go all O_O when she realized who that tiny woman with the crazy socks was.
HEE! ::giggles madly:: & CRAZY SOCKS! That shall be my nickname for Fourteen then - Crazy Socks! ::tickles Crazy Socks::
& YAY IT DOESN'T COUNT! ::DANCES::
I'm not surprised. I like David - lovely accent, occasional use of kilts, fanboyish squee, looks adorkable next to Anneke - but he's got that grating quality at times.
Yeses all around. ::nodnod::
& I trust your handling of the Sontarans! See, you KNOW what you're doing with Classic!Villains. She, having also written Daleks in Manhattan which wasn't very good either, seems not to.
& EEE, THANKYOU! Oooo, so many hidden things for me to find now! :D ::looks enchanted::
*laughs* Yes, you've got a point there.
::angelic smiles:: Well, Rassilon IS the Gallifreyan equivalent of Ceiling Cat so . . . IF he were to know . . . THINGS . . . it would not be too surprising.
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Date: 2009-07-09 01:05 pm (UTC)Well, the Master didn't mean to wipe out Traken and all those other planets, either - his original plan backfired because he was unaware of the true nature of Logopolis.
& EIGHT?! ::squeals:: Now I'm pulled between asking more questions & wanting to wait until I SEE it . . .
Here's a (hopefully) not-too-spoilery explanation: in that serial, some people seem to recognize Seven from somewhere, even though he has never met them before, and call him by a completely different name. When he says they're probably mistaken, they reply with a "You might have changed your face, but I'd recognize you anywhere!"
A big part of fandom likes to believe these adventures the Doctor had under an alias will take place in the new series, but I doubt it. Personally, I believe that these adventures took place before the new series, and that therefore the future regeneration of the Doctor who lived through them was Eight. The identity he assumed would have fit him perfectly, I think.
Her name is River Tam & can be found in the thirteen episodes of her own show Firefly & later, her own movie Serenity.
Oh, I know Firefly. I saw half of it, but gave up halfway because on that same time another channel started to air weekly mini-marathons of M*A*S*H (5 episodes in a row) and that was my main priority.
I was confused because I was expecting someone from the Whoverse.
& CRAZY SOCKS! That shall be my nickname for Fourteen then - Crazy Socks! ::tickles Crazy Socks::
She'd prefer Fabulous Socks instead, but I'll go for Crazt Socks. :P
& I trust your handling of the Sontarans! See, you KNOW what you're doing with Classic!Villains.
Well, I did a lot of research when I wrote them. I just hope it worked. With the Rutans, however, since I never saw their so far only serial, I was forced to take some liberties.
Well, Rassilon IS the Gallifreyan equivalent of Ceiling Cat
*dies laughing* Now that's a comparison I never thought of making. :D
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Date: 2009-07-10 12:26 am (UTC)O, it DID, I forgot! Okay, this may stand. :D
Here's a (hopefully) not-too-spoilery explanation: in that serial, some people seem to recognize Seven from somewhere, even though he has never met them before, and call him by a completely different name. When he says they're probably mistaken, they reply with a "You might have changed your face, but I'd recognize you anywhere!"
A big part of fandom likes to believe these adventures the Doctor had under an alias will take place in the new series, but I doubt it. Personally, I believe that these adventures took place before the new series, and that therefore the future regeneration of the Doctor who lived through them was Eight. The identity he assumed would have fit him perfectly, I think.
Hmm - no, not that spoilery at all! & with Eight's occasional memory loss, he could have been that particular Doctor & not known it when he was.
Oh, I know Firefly. I saw half of it, but gave up halfway because on that same time another channel started to air weekly mini-marathons of M*A*S*H (5 episodes in a row) and that was my main priority.
O, hooray! I had a feeling you might know of it, actually - somehow. Hee! Well, anyway, River is my absolute favourite for many reasons & once upon a time, I attempted to write a crossover with her as a companion of Ten's, between Rose & Martha's times as his companions. It was a three-story thing, one being a fanmix with fic attatched, but it was never completed & as you might imagine, is now completely abandoned. But not the idea of River as a companion to A Doctor, of course. Just not Ten.
(& I had a River/Simm!Master story in the works, but it's in limbo really, now, since it was sort of connected to the other one.)
She'd prefer Fabulous Socks instead, but I'll go for Crazt Socks. :P
::giggles:: But Crazy Socks is so cute, I think! But her socks are also fabulous, I must agree. ^-^
Well, I did a lot of research when I wrote them. I just hope it worked. With the Rutans, however, since I never saw their so far only serial, I was forced to take some liberties.
I'm sure everything will work out fine in the end. ♥ & I haven't even HEARD of the Rutans, so I won't know at all if they're not right or such. :D
YOU KNOW HE TOTALLY IS. I actually did a poll on that & he ALMOST won, but was beaten out by Romana. :P But still - Rassilon = Ceiling Cat! HE KNOWS ALL. ::scary boomy voice::
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Date: 2009-07-10 05:52 am (UTC)I don't think a memory loss would be necessary for this to work. Fourteen's memories of it seem to be clear enough, anyway.
I'm sure everything will work out fine in the end. ♥ & I haven't even HEARD of the Rutans, so I won't know at all if they're not right or such. :D
Well, apart from Horror at Fang Rock, they are only mentioned whenever the Sontarans appear - and not enough for the viewers to get a good idea about what they are. I did by best in terms of research to make them fit the image those who did watch Fang Rock would have, but I know something will be amiss anyway.
But still - Rassilon = Ceiling Cat! HE KNOWS ALL. ::scary boomy voice::
In that case, would Omega be Basement Cat?
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Date: 2009-07-10 07:47 am (UTC)::looks shifty::
::shoves idea out of nearest window::
(told you I was the 'destroy the evidence type'. :P)
Well, apart from Horror at Fang Rock, they are only mentioned whenever the Sontarans appear - and not enough for the viewers to get a good idea about what they are.
O DAMMITALL! ::headdesks very hard:: THEN YES, I WOULD HAVE HEARD OF THEM, CONSIDERING THEY GET MENTIONED IN THE FIRST CLASSIC!WHO SERIAL I EVER WATCHED. I swear, I really DO think before I type, but it always ends up looking like I don't. THINK HARDER, FOOLISH GIRL, THINK HARDER.
Um, anyway, I've not seen The Horror at Fang Rock & even if I did have a chance to, I probably wouldn't be seeing it before diving into your stories. :D
In that case, would Omega be Basement Cat?
LOLZ! Why not? :P Or, he could be Endcat in The Three Doctors & Monorail Cat the rest of the time, since he DID give Gallifrey the gift of time travel. (& then he went out of service as soon as he did. :P)
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Date: 2009-07-10 09:01 am (UTC)Well, he could have forgotten about it - his brain being so mushy when it comes to remembering things - but it could have all come back later.
O DAMMITALL! ::headdesks very hard:: THEN YES, I WOULD HAVE HEARD OF THEM, CONSIDERING THEY GET MENTIONED IN THE FIRST CLASSIC!WHO SERIAL I EVER WATCHED.
Mind you, it's a very small mention there - just "The Sontarans have been at war with the Rutans for centuries" and nothing else.
Um, anyway, I've not seen The Horror at Fang Rock & even if I did have a chance to, I probably wouldn't be seeing it before diving into your stories. :D
Alas, I don't have it and therefore was unable to send it to you. It might interest you, though, since it's a Leela story - and one in which something happens to her that changes how she'll look like for the rest of her tenure in the show.
Or, he could be Endcat in The Three Doctors & Monorail Cat the rest of the time, since he DID give Gallifrey the gift of time travel.
Hm. Yes, it makes sense. :P
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Date: 2009-07-10 10:21 am (UTC)Quite possible! Eight DOES have a rather . . . tatty memory, after all. ::pets::
Mind you, it's a very small mention there - just "The Sontarans have been at war with the Rutans for centuries" and nothing else.
Yes, but STILL. I ought to have remembered. (but I haven't seen a Four serial in a LONG while, as you know.)
It might interest you, though, since it's a Leela story - and one in which something happens to her that changes how she'll look like for the rest of her tenure in the show.
You know, usually, when I go looking for new & shiny Who serials, I almost always see that one. I hadn't thought of getting it before, because I was rather opposed to Leela, as she replaced Sarah Jane, but now I'll probably get it one day. :D
Hm. Yes, it makes sense. :P
::laughs:: I like thinking of lolcats & who they fit the best on some occasions. :P Tis amusing!
& Omega being Monorail Cat gives a WHOLE new meaning to the macro 'monorail cat is out of service' (okay, this actually makes me giggle, even more than Ceiling Cat!Rassilon or Ceiling Cat!Romana. XD)
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Date: 2009-07-10 10:28 am (UTC)Yes indeed. And it's even worse in the EDAS, since he experiences a really traumatic even halfway through it, of which he hasn't recovered at the point I'm at. He doesn't even remember his past adventures with Fitz! I blame Romana III for it.
I hadn't thought of getting it before, because I was rather opposed to Leela, as she replaced Sarah Jane, but now I'll probably get it one day. :D
Please do. And if you watch it before reading The Rutan Relics, I'll be happy if you point out what I might have done wrong.
& Omega being Monorail Cat gives a WHOLE new meaning to the macro 'monorail cat is out of service'
*laughs*
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Date: 2009-07-11 08:41 am (UTC)NOOOOOOOOO! ::SCREAMS::
Mindwipe Romana III for this!Please do. And if you watch it before reading The Rutan Relics, I'll be happy if you point out what I might have done wrong.
O, I'll certainly look for it - I did today, but I didn't see it, shockingly, but I saw Six's Cybermen story, which U didn't even KNOW was out here yet & I BOUGHT Vicki's first serials. :D & um, I'll try & point out things, but I'll be SO scared to, mind you! No matter how nice I am about pointing things out, I just can't bring myself to do it. :O
(guess what else I found today? A CYBERMEN SHIRT. Granted, it's a new series!Cybermen shirt, but a little duct tape & a black marker & it'll say 'You will be like us. You will be one of us.' :D)
& Monorail!Omega is even more lulzy if you hear the Five audio Omega, I think. ;)
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Date: 2009-07-11 08:52 am (UTC)Don't worry, she gets her comeuppance.
but I saw Six's Cybermen story, which U didn't even KNOW was out here yet & I BOUGHT Vicki's first serials. :D
Ooh, pelase let me know what you think of those serials when you watch them, then!
You should have also bought Attack of the Cybermen and included it in the watch-a-thon since, as I'll mention in my comments to your new post (which I'm now halfway through) it's a sequel of sorts to both The Tenth Planet and Tomb (and also to Tegan's last serial, in a way). It doesn't look like it's very highly regarded by fans, but at least it would probably help to answer some questions about timelines and continuity - or maybe just make things even more confusing. *shrugs*
guess what else I found today? A CYBERMEN SHIRT. Granted, it's a new series!Cybermen shirt, but a little duct tape & a black marker & it'll say 'You will be like us. You will be one of us.' :D
Hee, that's great!
If I had appropriate fabric-painting material, I'm sure I could make a t-shirt with the stencil-like logo found in the tombs - and I'd put "You belong to us. You shall be like us." on the back. :D
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Date: 2009-07-11 09:16 am (UTC)Good! ::sets down pitchfork:: But I'll just keep it around in case of . . . emergencies. :D
You should have also bought Attack of the Cybermen and included it in the watch-a-thon since, as I'll mention in my comments to your new post (which I'm now halfway through) it's a sequel of sorts to both The Tenth Planet and Tomb (and also to Tegan's last serial, in a way). It doesn't look like it's very highly regarded by fans, but at least it would probably help to answer some questions about timelines and continuity - or maybe just make things even more confusing. *shrugs*
I DID think about getting it for a few minutes, until I saw Vicki's serials & grabbed the only copy they had, since it's got Cybermen & Peri, but I wasn't sure if it . . . well, if it was a good serial or not. ::looks embarrassed:: I thought I'd ask around first before I bought it. & I do sort of want to save my first Six viewing FOR The Two Doctors, even though I actually really would have liked to have that serial. But I'm still nervous about watching Six, in case I end up not liking him at all. :(
If I had appropriate fabric-painting material, I'm sure I could make a t-shirt with the stencil-like logo found in the tombs - and I'd put "You belong to us. You shall be like us." on the back. :D
That? WOULD BE AWESOME. :D I was SHOCKED to see it in the window, as you NEVER see Who-related things in the States, so I flipped out, went in, asked the price & bought it, even though it's a bit big for me. But I might try tucking it into my black miniskirt when I get the braces for that one - it does not like me & tends to slip a bit. ::sighs:: I WAS going to sleep in it, but DUDE. Best way to find Doctor Who fen in the States. :D
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Date: 2009-07-11 09:39 am (UTC)I think you made the right choice. I don't remember practically anything from Attack of the Cybermen apart from the plot point that follows from Resurrection of the Daleks and the thing with the TARDIS' chameleon circuit so i can't tell you if it's good or not, so you should try and get it only after you watch The Two Doctors (which I think it's a good introduction to Six - but then again I like him and therefore enjoy many serials others hate) and only if you end up liking Six.
I WAS going to sleep in it, but DUDE. Best way to find Doctor Who fen in the States. :D
Oh yes! Walk around with it, and see if anyone will approach you. :D
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Date: 2009-07-12 06:17 am (UTC)O yay! I just hope it'll be there still, if I should want to get it eventually! ♥
& I most certainly will! Hopefully a cute & friendly sort of fellow will notice it? ^___^
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Date: 2009-07-12 06:47 am (UTC)I hope so too.
& I most certainly will! Hopefully a cute & friendly sort of fellow will notice it? ^___^
*crosses fingers*
On a different note, I went a little nuts with Photoshop yesterday and made some graphics for my fics. Since I'm sure you'll enjoy seeing them, here they are:
I also made a wallpaper with this one.
♥
The Doctor, motherbitches.
This one will go to my writing journal's userinfo. I made an alternate version with the words "Hello, Jamie. Remember me?"
This one cracks me up.
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