'Listen to our little dolly rocker Duchess!'

[riverdresses]

& now, here we go, off on the second three recaps of the great & mighty Troughton rewatch-athon!

The Smugglers

- So this serial picks up from where we left off at the end of The War Machines, with Ben & Polly going into the TARDIS to return One's key to him, then him taking off with them inside. This could be a bit harder to recap, because it's a recon, but I'll do my best!

One seems quite angry to have uninvited guests in his ship this time, but actually, I don't think of him as being angry so much as just very surprised. He says himself he thought he would finally be alone after leaving 1966. I think if he were really angry, he would have made a point of throwing Ben & Polly off the TARDIS right then & there, if they hadn't already demateralised. Also, I doubt he would have explained certain aspects of the TARDIS to them like he did if he was so angry or he was planning on ditching them at some point.

- I love Ben's initial shock when he & Polly are inside the TARDIS for the first time. Polly seems to stay very level headed, even though she's just stepped into a huge room in what she thought was a mere police box. It's a good contrast to Ben's shock & general reactions, I think. She doesn't scream or panic, she just listens & asks questions. Very good on her!

- I am a bit surprised that Ben refuses to believe that he's in a time machine, considering what he just went through with One in The War Machines. But I suppose those were a bit of a different set of circumstances - Ben was in his own time, dealing with something dangerous on his territory, not in an alien land millions of years in the past or future. So his reactions are a bit surprising to me, but also a fair bit understandable.

- Teehee! Polly pinched Ben! Well, he did ask for it, so he can't complain now, eh? ::giggles::

- & of course the Doctor's off to follow them - did you really believe he wouldn't? Did anyone really believe he didn't want to keep Ben & Polly safe?

- Polly's enthusiasm is so cute! & any thoughts I may have had as to One's feelings toward them? All gone, save for that he does want them there!

- O dear . . . seventeenth century?

- Polly doesn't like being called Duchess & she doesn't like being called a lad. But Ben just said one of my favourite lines ever! 'Listen to our little dolly rocker Duchess!' LOVE YA, BEN!

- Polly's pragmatic side is showing & Ben's sarcastic, annoyed side is coming out. But still, v. awesome, the both of them! & I DO love how the first things on Ben's mind is some good beer. ::giggles:: Sailors! ::giggle::

- Ben ready to fight for One! GO BEN! ::waves pompoms:: Seriously, I ♥ Ben even more every minute.

- I quite like how Polly insists that Ben be seen to after somebody finally shows up to help her. & I'm glad Ben wasn't too severely injured!

- ARGH NOW I'M WORRIED FOR ONE DAMMIT. I know he can help himself, but still, I'm worried how he's going to get away from a band of pirates & their ship. ::chews fingers::

- WHAT THE HELL WHY ARE BEN & POLLY BEING ARRESTED. Another reason to worry now! & I am worried if they're going to find out Polly's no boy - that could be quite dangerous for her.

- One is quite brave (& a bit saucy!) when being threatened by pirates! & surprisingly, still dapper-looking even when a bit torn up.

- POLLY LOVES THEIR PREDICAMENT! & Ben's all whiny & sour about it - ha! Polly = the better adventuress of the two, perhaps? But seriously, I love how Polly's the one finding the adventure & excitement in their problem, even if she has been accused of murder & is currently sitting in gaol.

- Wait, Polly's excited one minute, then she's screaming about a rat? EXCUSE ME? Hello, inconsistant writing.

Or maybe not inconsistent, but that bit bugs me a fair bit.

- Ah, but Kickass!Polly returns just a bit later, with her plan of faking witchery! ::grins:: Go Polly, go Polly! But alas, for her good moment, we must have her irritating fear of rats - girl, you're in a seventeenth-century gaol - OF COURSE THERE'LL BE RATS! Don't tell me you expected it to be all nice & clean!

(but really, I blame the writers, not Polly. Silly writers.)

- One's got brains, gentility, & he knows how to work the right people in the write places - I'm jealous of Susan getting to be his granddaughter! I love One's manipulation of Captain Pike by playing to his apparent vanity & his flattery of him. One is a BADASS, I must reiterate!

- Polly's become 'Paul' now & GO GIRL, GO GIRL, PLAY ON SEVENTEENTH-CENTURY FEAR LIKE THAT! ::hugs her:: & Ben is a great accomplice in her plans, I must say. But Polly Wright FTMFW, BITCHES! & YAY, THEY'RE FREE! Thanks to Polly's snappy thinking, of course!

Seriously. I love this girl. She's as worthy a companion to the Doctor as any of her predecessors!

- Ben & Polly playing detective together is kind of cute, actually. & awww, Ben's worried about Polly's safety. ♥

- Ben, while not as sophisticated as One, is pretty good at getting information when he wants it, at least so far.

- Hmm. The Squire sounds a bit like One. Just a note!

- & quite an ending to leave off on - I'm rather worried for Ben & Polly now! Where is One, o, where IS he?!

- OMG, One's telling fortunes now! HOW DOES HE GET MORE AWESOME WITH EVERY SERIAL? & hmm . . . I wonder what One's up to . . . doesn't seem like him, telling fortunes - O! PLOY! V. good show Doctor, v. good show! ::shan't doubt One again::

(but I'd not be surprised if the Doctor knew how to tell fortunes in different ways - even if he's really more a man of science & exploration, that doesn't mean he wouldn't know how to perhaps read a tea leaf or two, or cut a Tarot deck.)

- Phew! At last, Ben & Polly have a partial believer! But a partial believer is better than what they had before - nothing!

- OMG ONE'S BACK!! ::hugs him:: Now, the three of them shall kick some pirate arse!

- Wow. One . . . damn, I haven't even got words, but the fact that he feels so morally obligated & responsible for protecting the village is . . . wow. I am . . . I mean, I know all of the Doctor is like that, but hearing him explain it in such solid terms just blows me away. Not that I didn't expect him to try & save the village, along with Ben & Polly, nor did I expect him to run off & leave the village to its own fate so the three of them could go elsewhere, but I don't think I'd expected him to be so open in explaining his feelings about it to Ben. I really can see Barbara's good influence shining through now & I can see that is something she left with him & that he'll not lose, ever.

(um, in short, One is love. & I totally love him even more now, if such a thing is possible.)

- & I love how Polly sides with One completely. She's full of strength & compassion & I love her so. & Ben! I'm a bit disappointed in him for wanting to run off & let the village die so easily, but I'm glad he came around somewhat.

Polly > Ben

- Ooo! Ben & Polly's lark in the graveyard helped One figure out the churchwarden's riddle! & they're getting all the pieces together at quite a pace!

- One's v. brave to make Ben & Polly leave him like that to keep them safe. & Ben's awesome for saying he'll be back for him. ::nods::

- One's so honourable, even when dealing with the likes of Captain Pike. ♥ WHY DO PEOPLE DISRESPECT HIM SO MUCH?!

- ::sighs:: I sort of find Ben rescuing Polly from pirates to be terribly romantic. ::blushes::

- & off they (& I!) go onto their next destination, which, sadly, will be One's final story. But it must be faced with a clear mind, & a brave heart.

The Tenth Planet

- Oooo, the opening titles are quite ominous for this serial - I love them! Immediately makes me think of Cybermen. (& yay, a Kit Pedler story!)

- This serial, if I remember right, is almost entirely intact, save for the final story, which is a recon. So it should be a bit easier for me to recap for the most part. (I'm thinking recapping a serial that's a recon is an art that must be learnt a bit slowly, if one means to pick it up properly!)

- 'Doctor, you have a fantastic wardrobe!' YES! Proof that the Doctor's always had one hell of a wardrobe, even if he was only travelling with Susan! & I LOVE Polly's choice - supercute & warm! & aww, how sweet is it that she gently fusses over One's warmth? 'Like toast, my dear!' LOVE.

- Random fashion note: Polly's carrying a muff! Stylish indeed!

- Sigh, men gawking at pretty, dolly, jolly Polly already? MEN. Ben's not going to like this. I think!

- Ha, One doesn't tolerate ANYONE speaking him in a rude tone! Respect the Doctor or get cut!

- 1986?! OMG. I was expecting them to land in the twenty-first century myself, but 1986?! That's three years before I was born! Wild, man.

- Hmm, so this tenth planet is between Mars & Venus? Why did I think it was near Pluto? (yes, this was the 1960s, Pluto was still a planet!)

- One's knowledge of what this planet means is sort of giving me the creeps. I don't really want to speculate as to what the planet is myself, but his knowing it is just creepy.

- LOLZ, THEY'RE GOING TO TRY & BREAK INTO THE TARDIS? LOLZ, I SAY AGAIN.

- UM. I think we just had our first - no, we HAVE just had our first sighting of Mondasian Cybermen! WHOA. & yes, they disturb me as well as the Telosian ones do. Right now, it's all in their faces.

- Okay, the Cybermen are in the base now. & they're scary, okay?! & their voices are kind of creeeepy.

- Mondasian Cybermen are an interesting breed & they are NOT like the Telosian breed, which is what most of us have seen in future serials - the Mondasian breed only had one serial, I think, & it was this one. nentari & I have/are having quite an interesting talk about the differences between Mondasian, Telosian & Cybus Cybermen, the latter being the new series ones. The Mondasian ones seem, to me, just a slight bit more human than the Telosian ones, or even the Cybus ones. They're more willing to answer human queries about who & what they are, as well as how they became what they are now. They also seem more inclined to carry on a conversation, or something like one, with humans, whereas Telosian & Cybus Cybermen are more of the 'convert delete or kill' sort.

Also, their design is vastly different from their counterparts - more bulky & more tubed in the front, & far less of a metallic face. In fact, their faces remind me of clown faces - & I'm somewhat scared of clowns.

& also, the Mondasian Cybermen still have the stealth of the Telosian ones - which is something the Cybus Cybermen of the new series irritatingly lost - honestly, if the Mondasian Cybermen & the Telosian Cybermen went around stomping & clanking like ghosts with rusty chains attached, it would be far too easy for the Doctor to wipe them out before they even showed up!

- So now the Cybermen threw Ben in a projection room & yet, he's learnt from the Doctor already - never give up, no matter how bleak a situation looks. & his remorse at being forced to kill a Cybermen . . . o, Ben. ::hugs::

(& Polly's at his side already!)

- I was actually only planning to go to the second story tonight, but I'm on the third story & I just can't stop watching! Anyway, Cybermen are - O FUCK! One just collapsed! One just collapsed & the Cybermen are bringing in more & along with spaceships. This is not the best time for One to be taken ill!

- Polly says he just seems worn out. I'm pretty worried about the Doctor, my own self! But I rather liked how Ben insists that he & Polly get back to the others & that there's nothing they can do for him. Be that as it may, I'm worried about One.

- HA. Polly may appear to be making coffee, but that girl's working her ulterior motives in-between adding sugar & cream! To all the Polly haters - SHE'S NOT JUST THE MOTHERFUCKING TEA GIRL, BITCHES! She's got someone on her, Ben & One's side now. Not bad for someone everyone always calls a 'screamer' & 'a tea lady'. IN YOUR FACES, POLLY'S AWESOME.

- Oooo, v. James Bond there Ben, crawling through ventilation shafts like that! & he's got his pocket knife! He's ready, folks.

- Another random note - I LOVE Polly's dress! (or is it a jumper?) Overall, she really looks just fabulous! & her EYES! I WANT HER EYES, OR AT LEAST, HER EYE MAKEUP.

- JERK KNOCKED BEN OUT! ::growls:: But at least Polly's there to help him out a bit. (he looks so sweet whilst unconscious . . . but they both look quite sweet together.)

- Okay, we're in recon mode now - & it is a GREAT recon, seriously. An absolutely cracking recon.

- 'I guess this old body of mine is wearing a bit thin.'

O, One. I . . . I know what will come next . . . but I don't want you to leave!

- Wow, owing a Cyberman your life . . . not a concept I'm so readily familiar with. & saving a Cyberman as well . . . wow.

- Ben is going to cut a Cyberman if they touch Polly. Seriously.

- FUCKERS ARE NOT CONVERTING POLLY, FUCK THAT NOISE. & if they do, Ben & One will rip their heads right off.

- I'm sorry, but the Mondasian Cybermen have faces that are freaking me the fuck out - they look too fucking much like clowns! ::hides::

- WHOA, WHOA, GO BEN! He's caught on that Cybermen can't handle radiation! That would make him the first companion of the Doctor's to realise that Cybermen cannot face radiation without dying.

(incidentally, Polly's the one who kicked some Cybermen arse with nail varnish remover! Those two were damn good against Cybermen!)

- ::is scared for Polly & One::

- Ben is showing his snappy, hit-the-ground-fighting traits again, just like he showed us in The War Machines. ROCK ON, BEN! I just hope he'll be okay after being so close to radioactive materials!

- I love Ben. Sometimes, so far, he's bugged me a bit, but he's awesome & I do love him. He really is a great companion.

- WHOA. Mondas disintegrates, & so do the Cybermen? AWESOME!

- & now Ben's saving Polly & One! But One . . . he doesn't look good at all. He sounds awful & he looks so weak . . .

- Okay, this is . . . not good. He can barely even get Ben & Polly inside the TARDIS! & the TARDIS doesn't even sound like herself!

- & . . . . he's gone. Just like that. He collapsed & One . . . isn't One anymore.

(okay, going to have a bit of sap for a moment here.)

In the mix I made about the nine times the Doctor has regenerated, I used the song Airbag by Radiohead, because, based on the research I'd done on One's regeneration, I felt like it fit his moment of regeneration, particularly the line 'In an interstellar burst/I'm back to save the universe'.

& that's just what happens.

Still . . . I miss One already. ::sad sigh::

Also, nentari & I once had a bit of discussion on what it was that caused One to regenerate - was it because of the Cybermen, or was it simply because his original body was finally forced to regenerate, or he would have died? After watching, I'm pretty much solid on the idea of his regeneration coming about because his first body was just too old & had been through too much & if he hadn't regenerated when he did, he would have died altogether. Also, there is enough evidence throughout the story that his body was finally showing signs of age & that a regeneration would have to come soon.

(I should also say that I am one hundred percent sure that the first body we see the Doctor in is the body he was born with.)

The Power of the Daleks

- Picking up where we left off, One has just regenerated into his second body on the floor of the TARDIS, in front of Ben & Polly, who are lost as fuck as to what's just happened.

- & Patrick Troughton's off to a GREAT start as our second Doctor! I love his post-regeneration scene - v. well played & v. in-keeping with what I've seen the Doctor like after he's regenerated.

- Teehee! Now he's got to examine his new face. & his muscles are a bit tight, alas.

- Now everything's beginning to fall into place for all three of them - Two knows he's the Doctor now, or at least he seems to.

- THE RECORDER!! I LOVE IT! Aww! & he's got his five hundred year diary & knows who Ben is - okay, getting there now, I'd say.

- I love how Polly's the one with full faith in the Doctor; that it is the Doctor & he'll be okay, while Ben's insanely sceptical about everything that's going on around him. It's a good contrast both to each other & to Two's own confusion.

- HE'S PLAYING IT AGAIN. ♥ & Ben appears to be none too happy about it. He's even shouted at Polly. Yeah, he's not in the best of moods. & AWWW, STILL PLAYING IT. I think he's rather good, myself.

- O yeah, this is so the Doctor - plotty, cunning, sneaky & with just the right card up his sleeve. ::grins:: Loving him already, on his first serial! I do hope Ben cuts the 'OMG THIS AIN'T THE DOCTOR!' bollocks already. Preferably very soon.

- I have a really bad feeling about that capsule & the first serial's half over. Meep.

- Two is awesomely sneaky, I have GOT to say that.

- FUCK. Daleks. Well . . . they don't look as deadly as the ones I've seen, but WHAT is that thing on the floor?! & where's the fourth one?

- GAH THAT THING IS DISGUSTING! It looks like a bloody mutated jellyfish!

(I think I've also forgotten that this IS the first time Ben & Polly have ever seen a Dalek. They've met Cybermen, but not Daleks.)

- Christ on a cracker . . . I'm sorry, Cybermen may scare me more, but Daleks can do it pretty well too. & Two saying only one Dalek would be needed to wipe out the whole colony on Vulcan . . . I find it chilling.

- HA! Two's sauciness is sexy! ::blows kiss::

- He's only just regenerated, but he's got the spark & fire of his later time - ♥ Two ♥

- DUDE, WTF, ARE YOU AN IDIOT? WHY ARE TRYING TO REVIVE THE DALEKS? Why don't people just listen to the Doctor when he talks?! Melt the pepperpots down!

- Hee, reference to his meeting Marco Polo! & BEN, CUT THE BITCHING, PLEASE. Polly, however, gets a cupcake for believing him to be the real Doctor.

- 'I never talk nonsense. Well, hardly ever.'

- Wow. Two's actually giving me a bit of a spook in this serial - he's never done that before. It's his mysteriousness, his sense of confusion, the hint of darkness I keep feeling from him. I don't think I've ever known one to be like this - he's always been the Doctor I'd want to be best friends with, to go dancing with, & learn to play recorder from. I know there's more to him than his outward silliness & cheerful disposition, like how there's more to Eight than his giddiness & Romantic tendencies, but unlike with Eight, I've never seen Two's darker side - or maybe I have & don't remember it - prior to now. I've seen his cleverness, his wit, his capabilities, but not so much this . . . darkness I just feel from him in this story.

- EARTH PEOPLE ARE TWITS. WHY, WHY, WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO REVIVE A DAMN DALEK?! Okay, FINE, get your silly selves exterminated, so you don't pollute the rest of the human gene pool by procreating. ::sighs loudly::

- More recorder playing! & I love the discussion between Polly & Ben over the deputy governor's guilt or innocence. I think it's an interesting showcase of their personalities, as well as their emotions & of course, their feelings on the situation at hand.

- O, FUCK ME, WHY ARE EARTH PEOPLE SUCH FOOLS. & Two agrees with me, I see. ::glares:: (& maybe NOW Ben will quit the bitching about him being the Doctor or not.)

- The very last half of the second serial, when the Dalek begins to speak, & Two's desperately trying to explain a Dalek's true nature & both are sort of vocally (or should I say aurally?) overlaid is both haunting & chilling.

. . . Okay, it's just scary. To me, anyway. People, just melt down the Daleks before you get yourselves wiped out!

- Any time a Dalek claims to be 'helping' a human? It's time to bash the thing in the eyestalk with a baseball bat.

- GET YOUR GRUBBY HANDS OFF MY DUCHESS BASTARDS!

- More recorder playing! & when Ben finds out they've kidnapped Polly, he is going to blow a frakkin' fuse.

- O, sure, let's just hand over lots of shiny stuff to the Daleks all willy-nilly, why don't we? ::sighs even louder::

- O.fuck.me. The Daleks have all been reactivated. That colony is SCREWED.

- O no. Two's been discovered. Now HE'S screwed!

- & now people are leaving pseudo-ransom notes about Polly? ::glowers:: NOT ON.

- HALLELUJAH, SOMEONE'S SLOWLY BEGINNING TO AGREE WITH TWO.

- Dalek reproduction is . . . . well . . . . let's pretend I don't know about it, okay?

- 'You think you're very tough, don't you, pushing a girl around. I'd like to see you come up against a real man.'

'Like who?'

'Like Ben for instance!'

♥♥♥♥

Polly-girl, you are the awesome.

- . . . . Did Two just use his recorder to break out of a prison cell?

THAT RECORDER IS A WEAPON IN HIS HANDS! & he is made of some serious win, people.

- For some reason, I find Two telling Polly that Ben can take care of himself to be quite sweet.

- & yes, the ending of the fifth part gave me some massive chills. Dalek voices are v. scary when they layer over each other like that.

- My shippy little heart went all fluttery when Ben & Polly finally got to see each other again. Awww.

- Ben comforting Polly! O . . . ♥♥

- 'Why can't you just take all the plugs out and cut the power?'

'Because I prefer to do it my way!'

Hee! I love Two's stubbornness; it's one of my favourite things about him.

- Something I've not noted yet - the concept of one scientist 'giving' life to the Daleks - it feels very Frankenstein-esque, in my opinion. Not only were the Daleks brought to life by a human, they killed humans as well. Of course, all under very different circumstances. But it did put me in mind of the story.

- Ah, a sneaky escape, as the Doctor prefers. ::smiles:: & more recorder playing!!

- & away they go, off to new places & new faces! Bravo, bravo! ::claps::

Whew! This was the official beginning of the great & mighty Troughton rewatch-athon & alas, the ending point of the Hartnell era for now. (but I've a load of Hartnell-era serials to watch!) The next three serials will be The Highlanders (!!!), The Underwater Menace & The Moonbase, the last two I may supplement with my Lost in Time DVD collection.

Previous recaps
The Dalek Invasion of Earth
The Time Meddler
The War Machines

Comments

[nentari.livejournal.com]

Yay an update!

I think you're right there - the Doctor was a bit snippy when he realized Ben and Polly were on board, but he was surprised rather than angry.

& I DO love how the first things on Ben's mind is some good beer. ::giggles:: Sailors! ::giggle::
You gotta love a sailor. :D

Wait, Polly's excited one minute, then she's screaming about a rat? EXCUSE ME? Hello, inconsistant writing.
I don't think it's that inconsistent. It is a very human reaction, after all (it's not that bizarre for someone to be excited in the face of something big and freak out over a tiny thing), and one that, in my eyes, makes her more well-rounded. Besides, Ben's amusement shows that the writers were aware of the silliness of such a contradictory behaviour.
Not that I'm apologizing the writers of the time of contradicting themselves when writing Polly. Wait until you get to The Highlanders and The Underwater Menace and compare the way Polly is portrayed in those two.

(but I'd not be surprised if the Doctor knew how to tell fortunes in different ways - even if he's really more a man of science & exploration, that doesn't mean he wouldn't know how to perhaps read a tea leaf or two, or cut a Tarot deck.)
Well, I remember Three in The Daemons scoffing that kind of thing, but I can easily see the Doctor learning how to tell fortunes just for the sake of showing the logical flaws in those actions - and then putting what he learned to good use, like he did here.

I really can see Barbara's good influence shining through now & I can see that is something she left with him & that he'll not lose, ever.
Yes! That was Barbara's legacy to the Doctor, right there. :)

Sigh, men gawking at pretty, dolly, jolly Polly already? MEN.
Well, they've been stuck in an enclosed place filled only with men, so this display of male hormones hopping all over the place is not unexpected. It's not forgivable either, of course.

In fact, their faces remind me of clown faces - & I'm somewhat scared of clowns.
I used to work as a clown, you know.

But yeah, Mondasian Cybermen are more human than their Telosian descendants - their hands are still completely human, for example, which I find disturbing and scary.

Okay, we're in recon mode now - & it is a GREAT recon, seriously. An absolutely cracking recon.
Told ya so. I love the high quality of the work the reconners did for this episode.

(I should also say that I am one hundred percent sure that the first body we see the Doctor in is the body he was born with.)
I think we've had enough canonical evidence of that - later Doctors indicating the number of times they have regenerated or how many regenerations they have left (I remember two different occasions with Five), and One in The Five Doctors saying he's "the original" - though that must have also been a bit of an inside joke, since he was now being played by a different actor.

& Ben appears to be none too happy about it. He's even shouted at Polly. Yeah, he's not in the best of moods.
I think Ben was freaking out. Can't say I blame him, after what happened to the Doctor.

Wow. Two's actually giving me a bit of a spook in this serial - he's never done that before.
It's the post-regeneration talking, I think. Plus I think the writers were trying to make the audience (who at the time knew nothing about regeneration) to be as sceptical and freaked out as Ben.

[riverdresses.livejournal.com]

::twirls:: Now that I'm on PROPER holiday, my recaps will be coming much sooner! (I started The Highlanders tonight, but River's acting up a bit, so I couldn't finish the fourth story.)

::pets Ben:: He's adorable. I would possibly fight Polly for him! ;)

I don't think it's that inconsistent. It is a very human reaction, after all (it's not that bizarre for someone to be excited in the face of something big and freak out over a tiny thing), and one that, in my eyes, makes her more well-rounded. Besides, Ben's amusement shows that the writers were aware of the silliness of such a contradictory behaviour. Not that I'm apologizing the writers of the time of contradicting themselves when writing Polly. Wait until you get to The Highlanders and The Underwater Menace and compare the way Polly is portrayed in those two.

::blushes slightly:: That hadn't crossed my mind, I'm completely willing to admit. & you make a good point - if I'd been in Polly's place, I think I'd have been the same way, though if I saw a spider, I'd definitely freak out - I'm horridly arachnophobic!

& I do remember someone discussing how great Polly is in The Highlanders & how poorly written she is in The Underwater Menace - I'll keep my eyes open when I get to the latter serial.

Well, I remember Three in The Daemons scoffing that kind of thing, but I can easily see the Doctor learning how to tell fortunes just for the sake of showing the logical flaws in those actions - and then putting what he learned to good use, like he did here.

Three & One are the ones I could definitely see rolling their eyes at such things, though I could see Four having a bit of fun with them, even if he doesn't take them very seriously. (& I get a bit of a giggle out of the idea of someone asking Two if they could read the leaves in his teacup. :D)

Well, they've been stuck in an enclosed place filled only with men, so this display of male hormones hopping all over the place is not unexpected. It's not forgivable either, of course.

True, v. true. but still, on Polly's behalf, I must sigh. :P

In fact, their faces remind me of clown faces - & I'm somewhat scared of clowns.
I used to work as a clown, you know.

. . . . well, if I knew it was YOU in a clown outfit, I wouldn't be scared! It's the anonymous ones that spook me a bit!

(I think this is what happens when someone in the house collects clown dolls, then lets the youngest lassie in the house read & see It when she's four.)

& incidentally, the one who collects clown dolls has one that is dressed in a v. Six-esque outfit - I'll take a picture of it for you! :)

Um, but back on-topic, I have to agree, in some ways the Mondasian Cybermen are much scarier than the Telosian ones. Those faces of theirs . . . eeek. D:

& HOW MUCH DID I LOVE THAT RECON OMG. I wish we had more recons like that - it was really easy for me to recap, while the others can be a bit harder to do. But as I said, recapping recons is a bit of an art, I suppose! :D

I think we've had enough canonical evidence of that - later Doctors indicating the number of times they have regenerated or how many regenerations they have left (I remember two different occasions with Five), and One in The Five Doctors saying he's "the original" - though that must have also been a bit of an inside joke, since he was now being played by a different actor.

Ah, I remember that bit! & I remember One saying to Five, 'There are five of me now!' So yes, I think it's pretty much a given that his first body was indeed, his first. (& also, I think that would make him the only regeneration to have lived so long that regeneration was no longer an option if he wanted to live.)

It's the post-regeneration talking, I think. Plus I think the writers were trying to make the audience (who at the time knew nothing about regeneration) to be as sceptical and freaked out as Ben.

O, yes, that's a good possibility. Two was just so different from how I know him to be that it ended up scaring me a little. But it did indeed freak me out a bit - all the times I've seen the Doctor regenerate, he's been more confused, hyper & a bit amusing, not so spooky as Two was.

[nentari.livejournal.com]

In case you haven't seen it, your recons have inspired me into making yet another fanmix. Be proud!

& I do remember someone discussing how great Polly is in The Highlanders & how poorly written she is in The Underwater Menace - I'll keep my eyes open when I get to the latter serial.
The problem with Polly's depiction in The Underwater Menace is Jamie. As you know, Jamie was meant to be only in The Highlanders, and was to escape to France aboard the Annabelle with the other Jacobites at the end - only the producers realized what a good character Jamie was (and how tasty an eyecandy Frazer was for female viewers :P) and made him a companion. However, since most of the season 4 stories had already been written, Jamie had to be "shoehorned" into them by editing. In The Moonbase this is achieved by making him spend most of the story sick, while in The Underwater Menace and The Macra Terror the writers changed some lines and scenes that originally belonged to Ben and Polly (and more from Polly than Ben, as you'll see) and gave them to Jamie. In The Macra Terror they still manage to give Polly some interesting moments, but in The Underwater Menace this works to Polly's disadvantage, as they transferred all her awesomeness into Jamie. I think that some moments, particularly at the end, were originally written for one of the serial's characters (a slave girl called Ara) but given to Polly so that she could have something to do, but they make her very unlike herself. I can easily see in the final episode Polly coaxing an exausted and terrified Ara into carrying on and be brave; the same scene with Jamie coaxing Ara-in-Polly's-body? Not so much.
(I like Ara, though)

(& I get a bit of a giggle out of the idea of someone asking Two if they could read the leaves in his teacup. :D)
I can just picture his face... *giggles*

I think this is what happens when someone in the house collects clown dolls, then lets the youngest lassie in the house read & see It when she's four.
Oh dear. I never had that problem - but then again, as a kid I was surrounded by people who were aware that Stephen King is not the best choice for a 4-year-old. However, it seems that Roald Dahl's horror stories for adults (especially Lamb for the Slaughter) were perfectly okay. :P I only discovered his children's stories (and fell for Gene Wilder's Willy Wonka) in my twenties, so talk about age reversal.

& HOW MUCH DID I LOVE THAT RECON OMG. I wish we had more recons like that - it was really easy for me to recap, while the others can be a bit harder to do.
The recons for The Underwater Menace and The Macra Terror are also very good. The two of them are clearly made by the same team of reconners and, although not as brilliant as the Tenth Planet one, show amazing care and dedication. The one from The Faceless Ones is my least favourite, as the captions hurt my eyes (and I groan every time I look at the closing credits and see that Jamie is played by "Frazier Hinze"), but it's better than nothing, I suppose.

But it did indeed freak me out a bit - all the times I've seen the Doctor regenerate, he's been more confused, hyper & a bit amusing, not so spooky as Two was.
There's a theory going around that the Time Lords screwed up something in the Doctor's physiology when they forced the Two-to-Three regeneration, and that this is why the first regeneration shows different after-effects from the ones that follow. Of course, this is all speculation rather than fact, but it somewhat fits with the fact that the other Time Lords I've seen regenerate (Romana, K'anpo and the Master) don't seem to experience the same post-regeneration trauma that the Doctor seems to suffer through since he became Three.

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OMG, I INSPIRED YOU TO MAKE A BEN/POLLY FANMIX? ::turns cherryblossom pink:: IT LOOKS GREAT! I think I'll have to take River out to get this (& your Zoe mix. which I STILL haven't got yet, sadly!) v. soon!

(& I'm already up to The Moonbase - summer holidays are FABULOUS. But I'll miss Ben & Polly when they go.)

I actually finished watching & recapping The Underwater Menace tonight & yes, I could definitely see that Polly was somewhat severely lacking in the personality & the awesomeness I've seen from her before & from what I saw in The Highlanders - it felt really inconsistent to have her be so kickass & strong in the latter, then in the next one, virtually make her a stereotype of what people always think Classic!companions are - screamers that always need to be rescued. I thought she had small moments of YAY! in it, but really . . . I wasn't happy with how she was written. & I HATE that it was because they wanted to add Jamie as a companion, because I do so love him & if I didn't so much, it would be easy to resent him a bit for having all the good bits that Polly could have had. ::sighs sadly::

(of course, I DON'T, I still adore him & thought he was lovely in his first major story, but it saddens me that some of his moments were originally to be Polly's. & I liked Ara too. ^_^)

Oh dear. I never had that problem - but then again, as a kid I was surrounded by people who were aware that Stephen King is not the best choice for a 4-year-old. However, it seems that Roald Dahl's horror stories for adults (especially Lamb for the Slaughter) were perfectly okay. :P I only discovered his children's stories (and fell for Gene Wilder's Willy Wonka) in my twenties, so talk about age reversal.

Hee! That's one of the few things I don't hate the barbarian for - she never forbade me to read anything she read, or told me what I could & could not see, so I read a LOT of Stephen King as a girlie & got to watch films like Silence of the Lambs (which I could NOT do today, no way). As a result, I was something of a rather morbid child for a few, um, years. ::laughs:: Though when I was still in primary school, I have to say, Matilda was one of the most important books I'd ever read at that point. (& I read CONSTANTLY when I was little)

The recons for The Underwater Menace and The Macra Terror are also very good. The two of them are clearly made by the same team of reconners and, although not as brilliant as the Tenth Planet one, show amazing care and dedication.

O, agreed COMPLETELY! I LOVED watching the recon of The Underwater Menace, even if I really didn't like the story, save for . . . certain fine aspects of it . . . but anyway, it was great to watch & that helped my (rather pitiful, I'll tell you now) recapping of it. (& Pat's voice!! Swoon-worthy indeed!)

There's a theory going around that the Time Lords screwed up something in the Doctor's physiology when they forced the Two-to-Three regeneration, and that this is why the first regeneration shows different after-effects from the ones that follow.

I'd actually not heard of that theory before - that sounds quite interesting! From the small bits I've picked up in places, didn't the Time Lords force his regeneration by way of mortally wounding him, thereby ensuring that he would regenerate? But now that you've pointed this out, you're right - when I saw Romana after she'd regenerated she seemed so tranquil & serene - when I saw Four regenerate, he was off his rocker, honestly! (I remember Five at one point calling Adric by Jamie & Jo's names, even) & when Simm!Master regenerated, he was immediately in control, no fussing about with memory or anything. In the Doctor's case, do you think, if they DID screw something up in his physiology, that it was done purposely, perhaps?

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OMG, I INSPIRED YOU TO MAKE A BEN/POLLY FANMIX?
You did, you did. :) It's funny, though - it took me months to make the Zoe mix, while this one only needed a few hours.

I thought she had small moments of YAY! in it, but really . . .
That she did, especially when she pretends to be Amdo. And I love her seashell outfit almost as much as seeing the boys in rubber. But for the most part... Meh.

& I liked Ara too. ^_^
Ara was a dear, and she had a few moments of awesome as well - especially with her quick-witted schemes to help the gang just because the Doctor was kind to her. I couldn't help but notice that she practically disappears at the very end, though, so I have the feeling it was probably her who was meant to escape to the surface with Polly instead of Jamie, and that in the rewrite her lines were given to Pol so that Jamie could have hers instead. Not on, writers. Not on.

As a result, I was something of a rather morbid child for a few, um, years. ::laughs::
Probably not as much as you think. One of my best friends at elementary school had watched The Exorcist half a dozen times by the time we were 9, and she was a pretty level-headed and normal girl. Of course, she told us everything about the movie with minute detail, and I had nightmares for weeks. :P

O, agreed COMPLETELY! I LOVED watching the recon of The Underwater Menace, even if I really didn't like the story, save for . . . certain fine aspects of it . . .
I know what you mean. It's amazing that such a disappointing story (the weakest from Two's era, in my opinion) has such a stunning recon. I remember that, when heydollyrocker held the Ben & Polly rewatch-a-thon, nobody wanted to sign for that one (perfectly understandable) - but after alouzon watched the recon, she was so impressed with the work they did on it she decided to work on it anyway.
Incidentally, if you want to read the rewatch-a-thon tributes, here's the ones that were posted:
* The War Machines
* The Smugglers
* The Tenth Planet
* The Highlanders (guess who posted this one :P)
* The Underwater Menace
* The Macra Terror
As you can see, the people who were assigned to write about Power of the Daleks, The Moonbase and The Faceless Ones did not post their tributes; there's a very short (but funny and in-character, I think) comment to what could have happened right after The Faceless Ones here, though. Check these out as you finish watching each serial so that you can see how other people reacted to it. :)

From the small bits I've picked up in places, didn't the Time Lords force his regeneration by way of mortally wounding him, thereby ensuring that he would regenerate?
No mortal wound, no. It's a bit vague how the do it, but it looks as if they just force the Doctor's regeneration with the power of their brains.

In the Doctor's case, do you think, if they DID screw something up in his physiology, that it was done purposely, perhaps?
I don't think it was on purpose - more like they're not as all-powerful and infallible as they seem at first (which makes sense when we later see the flawed Time Lords from Four's era onwards) and ended up screwing something up. I also believe they were not as successful with the mind blocks they inflicted on Jamie and Zoe, but that is slighly bases on wishful thinking rather than facts, I'm afraid (though amnesiac!Zoe at the end of The War Games makes me wonder...).

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::feels totally honoured:: HEE! Well - I feel rather honoured, like I said! :D I can't even think of a mix I've done where I could whip it all together so fast. I'll definitely try & get it & Zoe's mix; I really want both.

That she did, especially when she pretends to be Amdo. And I love her seashell outfit almost as much as seeing the boys in rubber. But for the most part... Meh.

Agreed with IN FULL. The boys in rubber, Polly in seashells & Two being pretty as he is were pretty much all I enjoyed about the story. Even when I saw it before seeing the recons, I didn't really enjoy it. But because I'm determined to see as much of Two's era as I can, I made myself push on. At least The Moonbase was a bit better for Polly.

Ara was a dear, and she had a few moments of awesome as well - especially with her quick-witted schemes to help the gang just because the Doctor was kind to her. I couldn't help but notice that she practically disappears at the very end, though, so I have the feeling it was probably her who was meant to escape to the surface with Polly instead of Jamie, and that in the rewrite her lines were given to Pol so that Jamie could have hers instead. Not on, writers. Not on.

Ara! She was a sweet thing & I do agree it was most likely her who would have come up with Polly to the surface, if Jamie were not in the story. I hope she was able to get out in time though - my personal canon says she did. :D But it would have been nice if the writers had been able to show her, Polly & Jamie all escaping together, I think. But alas, such was not so.

One of my best friends at elementary school had watched The Exorcist half a dozen times by the time we were 9, and she was a pretty level-headed and normal girl. Of course, she told us everything about the movie with minute detail, and I had nightmares for weeks. :P

ACK! Okay, that is one of the few horror movies I cannot even bring myself to watch CLIPS of, let alone the whole thing. The barbarian told me how she went to see it with her first husband & a friend of hers & afterward, her friend couldn't drive home on her own & the barbarian said she slept with all the lights on that night. I can't even read the book!

I know what you mean. It's amazing that such a disappointing story (the weakest from Two's era, in my opinion) has such a stunning recon.

EXACTLY! It IS good that we have such a lovely recon, but for such a weak story, it's a little sad. I think I would have preferred the recon of The Underwater Menace to be the quality of The Highlanders, & for The Highlanders to have been so delightfully redone. But it's good that ANY of Two's stories are able to be reconned so nicely at all, of course!

& thankyou for linking me to all of those recaps! I've actually finished my last three recaps (which I'll be posting on Saturday) & as soon as I'm all done with Ben & Polly's final story, I'll check them out. (I'm going to miss Ben & Polly so much!) It's a shame that no one posted about The Moonbase (which I love Ben & Polly in!) & The Faceless Ones; I'd have loved to read them.

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& because LJ decided I needed to cut my comment in half . . . sigh!

No mortal wound, no. It's a bit vague how the do it, but it looks as if they just force the Doctor's regeneration with the power of their brains.

. . . Time Lords can kill (or regenerate!) you with their brains. ::gigglesnorts:: But still, even if there's no injury, it won't be something I'm looking forward to. :/ (I'm half-looking forward to The War Games & half-dreading it - looking forward to it because afterward, I can see Two interacting with his past & future selves & dreading it for, well . . . obvious reasons.)

I don't think it was on purpose - more like they're not as all-powerful and infallible as they seem at first (which makes sense when we later see the flawed Time Lords from Four's era onwards) and ended up screwing something up. I also believe they were not as successful with the mind blocks they inflicted on Jamie and Zoe, but that is slighly bases on wishful thinking rather than facts, I'm afraid

I think that makes a sound bit of sense - it might make more after I see a little more of Four's era & maybe The Key to Time series, possibly. But your feelings on the memory wiping they did to Jamie & Zoe make sense as well - if the Time Lords would have even the possible chance of screwing up the Doctor's physiology by forcing regeneration on him, it's highly likely that their mind blocks would have a good-sized margin of error to them. Or those are my feelings on it to date.

(& also, it reminds me of a beautiful Jamie/Four - I THINK it was Jamie/Four, I'm not totally sure- story I read once, where the mind block on Jamie only half-worked. I might have linked it to you, but I can't remember - it's The Persistence of Memory by Aquarius)

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Ooh, our first broken comment in this post! *grins*

I'm half-looking forward to The War Games & half-dreading it - looking forward to it because afterward, I can see Two interacting with his past & future selves & dreading it for, well . . . obvious reasons.
Yes, seeing Two and Three interacting is a thing of beauty. Plus Three is my second favourite of all Doctors (he was my top 1 Doctor until Two snuck up and stole the title). But yeah, thinking Two is gone (and that he was murdered by his own kind just because he helps people, while they are always willing to cut the Master some slack in spite of all the deaths and confusion he causes) pains me to no end.

(& also, it reminds me of a beautiful Jamie/Four - I THINK it was Jamie/Four, I'm not totally sure- story I read once, where the mind block on Jamie only half-worked. I might have linked it to you, but I can't remember - it's The Persistence of Memory by Aquarius)
Hm, I don't think I've read those yet. *ponders* Or maybe I'm just not linking the titles with the fics.
Anyway, if you want to know more about my take on the borked memory blocks, you'll have to wait until you read my Fourteenth Doctor fics - though I also think Zoe's Companion Chronicle, Fear of the Daleks, also points you out on how it works. I was pleasantly surprised to see that what I had written fit perfectly with the way it's shown in that audio, even if Zoe's post-War Games future in the Fourteenverse is completely different from that story in every other aspect.

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::smashes a bottle of champagne over our first broken comment:: AWESOME!

Yes, seeing Two and Three interacting is a thing of beauty. Plus Three is my second favourite of all Doctors (he was my top 1 Doctor until Two snuck up and stole the title).

O, yes yes yes! I'll never forget The Three Doctors - I do believe it was my first meeting of Two, & CERTAINLY my first time meeting One! (& I loved him right off & KNEW I had to see more of him.) Two was ADORABLE in that serial & I love his interactions with Benton. & when they see the big jelly monster - 'Oh my giddy aunt!' HEE! It was the first time I heard him say it & now I'VE happened to say it on many an occasion. ;)

& incidentally, my Two adoration came about because I loved Three so much - Three's one of my top three (no pun intended! :P) Doctors, with Eight being at the top because he's my Doctor. Two would be second, I think. (& nope, still no pun. ::laughs::)

But yeah, thinking Two is gone (and that he was murdered by his own kind just because he helps people, while they are always willing to cut the Master some slack in spite of all the deaths and confusion he causes) pains me to no end.

Sadly & shockingly, until you said that, I never realised how much the Master really DOES get away with. The Doctor seems to get beaten over the head with the Rod of Rassilon everytime he does so much as cough in another time period, but the Master's out there going crazy, blowing up planets, tricking people & doing anything he wants, but RARELY is he ever seen to be punished by anyone, save the Doctor. (& even then it isn't so much a punishment as just stopping him from killing all life on Earth, or something similar) I mean, in The Five Doctors, they turn to HIM to help the Doctor, instead of trying to help him THEMSELVES, which, in my opinon, would have been a nice thing for them to do, considering one of his regenerations in the Death Zone is one they basically KILLED, & in the new series, they resurrect HIM as a last-ditch effort to massacre the Daleks? ::sighs:: He gets off way too easy for an insane renegade. I do love the Master to bits (& I'll never . . . well, okay, maybe I do, a little) but he seems to come off so easily compared to the Doctor when the Time Lords get involved.

(ack. sorry, ranted a bit there!)

I wonder how Romana would have dealt with him, you know, I really do.

Hm, I don't think I've read those yet. *ponders* Or maybe I'm just not linking the titles with the fics.

O, it was just a one-shot, but it was so beautiful - I get a little sad whenever I read it, actually - I think of all that could have been for Jamie & all that could have been for him & Two, & maybe beyond. Um, anyway, this is it & if you HAVE read it, I'm sorry to have spammed at you!

& one day, I shall get to actually READ your fics! Ack, you have NO idea how impatient I am to read them! But NOT UNTIL I FINISH THE REWATCH-ATHON! THEN, I shall read them. (& maybe try & make a Two/Jamie fanmix because I have NEVER seen one, ANYWHERE. What is UP with that?)

(& OMG, I was actually at a loss as to what icon to use for this comment! Here, have Three in his cape - iconic & quite dapper!)

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& when they see the big jelly monster - 'Oh my giddy aunt!' HEE! It was the first time I heard him say it & now I'VE happened to say it on many an occasion. ;)
My first "giddy aunt" experience was with The Two Doctors - my very first complete serial featuring Two and Jamie, in fact, as it happened some 6 or 7 years ago when Six's run was playing on BBC Prime (having discovered the show through that channel while they were halfway through Five's run).

& incidentally, my Two adoration came about because I loved Three so much - Three's one of my top three (no pun intended! :P) Doctors, with Eight being at the top because he's my Doctor. Two would be second, I think. (& nope, still no pun. ::laughs::)
Heheh, no pun indeed. :D
Two is indeed my Doctor, followed by Three and Seven (with Jamie as my companion, followed by Ace and Donna); Five was my first Doctor, but he lost the top billing to those three. Well, and Six, who rates #4 in my top because I think he's smashing in spite of all the hate the fandom has for him - but Fivey is still in the top 5 as... #5! Look, I can use the "no pun intended" line too. :P

he seems to come off so easily compared to the Doctor when the Time Lords get involved.
There's something in both The Deadly Assassin and Trial of a Time Lord that bugs me particularly about the way Time Lords treat the Master - in both occasions, the Doctor is seen as a renegade who deserves nothing but contempt and punishment for his interference (never mind the fact that he had already received his pardon), and when the Master steps in halfway through the story they clearly have no idea who he is in spite of all the damage he has caused throughout the universe. In Trial the Master seems to be rolling his eyes at this, a sentiment I share.
And in Terror of the Autons, the Time Lords learn that the Master is heading to Earth to destroy the Doctor, and what do they do? They warn the Doctor. *rolls eyes* Since they know the time and place in which the Master is to land, why don't they capture the bugger and put him on trial, like they did to the Doctor when they finally located him in The War Games? Time Lord mentality makes no sense - no wonder the Doctor got fed up and left with his granddaughter after a few centuries living with the buggers.

Oh, dear, now I've been ranting. I do apologize.

Um, anyway, this is it & if you HAVE read it, I'm sorry to have spammed at you!
Ooh! No, I hadn't read it yet - and wow, it has some points in common with the beginning of Jamie, my first Fourteenth Doctor fic.

But NOT UNTIL I FINISH THE REWATCH-ATHON! THEN, I shall read them.
Yes, I think it's better if you finish the rewatch-a-thon first, because of all the references I put into it. The Two Doctors especially, since I quote it a lot, as I believe that, if Jamie's subconscious was to make him relive truncated parts of his lost memories, that one would be the one more likely to feature in his nightmares. Well, it also mentions Peri's fate in Trial of a Time Lord, I'm afraid, so I hope you won't mind being spoiled for that one. :/

& maybe try & make a Two/Jamie fanmix because I have NEVER seen one, ANYWHERE. What is UP with that?
Ooh, please do! I was considering making one myself, but for some reason my mind switches from Two/Jamie to Fourteen/Jamie every time I think about it. It makes sense, considering my current writing project, but it's nevertheless frustrating.

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I ♥ the story of your Two love - what a lovely journey, it seems. :D

Though I love all of the Doctor, save Ten, as you know, I would have to say my main & most adored Doctors would be Eight, Two, Three & Four, with One, Seven & Nine behind them & Six & Five coming in last, since I have yet to MEET Six in serial form (but I've got friends who love him, so I'm totally going to give him a chance!) & Five, who I think is sweet, but a bit bland for my liking. (I love Audio!Six & Peri though; & I think Audio!Peri's supercute! & I'm not overly annoyed by her accent - I've heard worse in other audios & in the new series! :P) As for companions . . . well, that's a bit long & might break this comment too, but Jamie, Charley, Susan, Sarah Jane, Ben, Polly, Romana & VIctoria are all among them!

(& I realised recently that I think, save for Peri, Mel, Sara Kingdom, Katarina & Romana I, that I've met almost all the Doctor's companions in at least one serial. & yes, I still count Dodo, even if it was her horrible departure story!) & that's almost thirty plus companions! Not too bad, I think.

There's something in both The Deadly Assassin and Trial of a Time Lord that bugs me particularly about the way Time Lords treat the Master - in both occasions, the Doctor is seen as a renegade who deserves nothing but contempt and punishment for his interference (never mind the fact that he had already received his pardon), and when the Master steps in halfway through the story they clearly have no idea who he is in spite of all the damage he has caused throughout the universe. In Trial the Master seems to be rolling his eyes at this, a sentiment I share. And in Terror of the Autons, the Time Lords learn that the Master is heading to Earth to destroy the Doctor, and what do they do? They warn the Doctor. *rolls eyes* Since they know the time and place in which the Master is to land, why don't they capture the bugger and put him on trial, like they did to the Doctor when they finally located him in The War Games? Time Lord mentality makes no sense

::boggles:: I - just - WHAT CONTROLS THE TIME LORDS & THEIR THOUGHT PROCESS?! I mean, have they ever punished the Master? (not counting what Eight says in the TVM; I've read one fic that explains actions pre-TVM & how he got to be during it & I'm completely adopting that into my personal canon) The Doctor gets a forced regeneration, exile, a trashed TARDIS, a kangaroo court (as Six puts it in The Eight Doctors) & nothing but contempt & distrust from his own kind, even though he's saved the universe more times than they've probably gone into their own TARDISes? HOW does that make any sense in ANY thinking creature's line of reasoning? I'm glad Susan went with her grandfather - she learnt much more & much better with him than she ever could have on Gallifrey, I say!

(& ranting is good! I've never had a chance to rant & be snippy about the Time Lords with anyone else - mostly because I don't know many people have seen as much Classic!Who as you have! :D)

& as for Romana & how I think she would have handled the Master, I think she would have been very harsh with him; putting him on trial, then imprisoning him, if she didn't outright choose memory wiping for or death for him. (in the Master's case, memory wiping or a mind block wouldn't be SO wrong - he's insane & very dangerous - he would warrant that, I think; unlike Jamie & Zoe, who were complete innocents.) I don't see Romana as the President who would be so easy with the Master - or as contemptuous of the Doctor, especially since she travelled with him & knows what he's really like. But I'm thinking of Romana II, & not Romana III, of course.

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Um, oops. I broke the comment box again! XD

Ooh! No, I hadn't read it yet - and wow, it has some points in common with the beginning of Jamie, my first Fourteenth Doctor fic

EEEEEE! Now I'm even more excited to start reading your Fourteenverse! I actually reread that fic after I linked it to you & it still makes me sad, especially when Jamie & Four are alone in the woods & it's so clear he remembers the Doctor, even if it's horridly fuzzy. (6B happened, it happened!!) It's a beautiful story & I love it so much.

Yes, I think it's better if you finish the rewatch-a-thon first, because of all the references I put into it. The Two Doctors especially, since I quote it a lot, as I believe that, if Jamie's subconscious was to make him relive truncated parts of his lost memories, that one would be the one more likely to feature in his nightmares. Well, it also mentions Peri's fate in Trial of a Time Lord, I'm afraid, so I hope you won't mind being spoiled for that one. :/

O, it's alright - I DID know she dies during that serial, so it won't be like 'OMG NOOOOOO I WAS GOING TO WATCH THAT SERIAL NEXT!!!1111' or anything; it'll just make me a bit sad. (you know, when I started my Classic!Who watching, I had intended to watch The Trial of a Time Lord, for the Doctor/Master yay, but now, I'm going to wait & see how I feel about Six before I get it. & maybe, if I do end up liking him enough, seeing some of the stuff he has with both the Master & the Rani, as I've yet to meet her.)

Ooh, please do! I was considering making one myself, but for some reason my mind switches from Two/Jamie to Fourteen/Jamie every time I think about it. It makes sense, considering my current writing project, but it's nevertheless frustrating.

I'm actually already collecting songs for it - I've got two, maybe three so far, along with a title & the idea for the cover - it's one I definitely want to do & if any ship in the whole of the Doctor Who fandom needs a mix, it's Two/Jamie - our ORIGINAL slashtastic pair! ::sparkles::

(& as to your last . . . predicament . . . I'd prescribe a healthy dose of Two/Jamie smut & or romantic ficcage, if you're looking to fix it! & I can always supply some, should you so wish. ::innocent face::)

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Um, oops. I broke the comment box again! XD
Ooh, naughty naughty. :P

& it's so clear he remembers the Doctor, even if it's horridly fuzzy. (6B happened, it happened!!)
Well, regardless of what theory you follow, he will always remember what happened in The Highlanders - minus the very end, of course.

O, it's alright - I DID know she dies during that serial, so it won't be like 'OMG NOOOOOO I WAS GOING TO WATCH THAT SERIAL NEXT!!!1111' or anything; it'll just make me a bit sad.
But that's the ting - the public outrage about her death was so strong that John Nathan-Turner was forced to add a PS to her story, taking advantage of the fact that the Matrix had been tampered with and that a lot of the things they had viewed during the trial had been rewritten in order to make the Doctor guilty. A lot of fans get even more outraged with the PS than with the death (which, I should add, is as stunning as Five's regeneration) that they prefer to think that that bit is the one that's not true; the fact that it's the Master who tells it helps people not to believe it. For Jamie, I used the PS as the truth (as I believe it happened, even though I was also a bit disappointed by it, as there was no reason for the Master to be lying about it, no matter how untrustworthy he is), but used my own personal theory about the characters involved (and which I was glad to see in the DVD extras that both Colin Baker and Brian Blessed see the same way as I do) to give it a twist. So, even though you know she dies, you don't know about the PS, so I hope you won't be too disappointed with being spoiled for it.

There's only two stories with the Rani, by the way - one with Six, and the other with Seven. You'll know them because they both have her name on the title. :P

I'm actually already collecting songs for it - I've got two, maybe three so far, along with a title & the idea for the cover - it's one I definitely want to do & if any ship in the whole of the Doctor Who fandom needs a mix, it's Two/Jamie - our ORIGINAL slashtastic pair! ::sparkles::
Yay! *dances*

& as to your last . . . predicament . . . I'd prescribe a healthy dose of Two/Jamie smut & or romantic ficcage, if you're looking to fix it!
Yes, that would do the trick. And my Fourteen muse would not disapprove since she was Two and so it was still her.
*uses appropriate icon*

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::looks completely innocent & angelic:: I'm a good girl, really! not ;)

Well, regardless of what theory you follow, he will always remember what happened in The Highlanders - minus the very end, of course.

O, yes, he will. Sadly. (Augh, I'll NEVER make it through The War Games without tears. Let's just hope I've no eye makeup on then!)

But that's the ting - the public outrage about her death was so strong that John Nathan-Turner was forced to add a PS to her story, taking advantage of the fact that the Matrix had been tampered with and that a lot of the things they had viewed during the trial had been rewritten in order to make the Doctor guilty. A lot of fans get even more outraged with the PS than with the death (which, I should add, is as stunning as Five's regeneration) that they prefer to think that that bit is the one that's not true;

I remember reading about Five's regeneration for the mix I made & his song, when you listen to it, is PERFECT for the moment when he regenerates. Just absolutely perfect, I think. But should I take this to mean that Peri went out in a fierce way, fighting or trying to do good up until the very last second of her life? (& I'll say here & now, that PS sounds . . . well to me, it sounds really off for some reason . . . can't explain it, but it does.) But thankyou for telling me about it; I'll know more of what I'm in for now. :D

& I know one of them is The Mark of the Rani - it's almost the ONLY serial for Six I ever see ANYWHERE, along with Timelash (which I keep reading as Timeslash when I see it! ::giggle:: Yes, we know where my mind is.)

I'm super excited about the idea of doing a mix for them - they should have one & I really am surprised that no one's done one yet!

Yes, that would do the trick. And my Fourteen muse would not disapprove since she was Two and so it was still her.
*uses appropriate icon*

Ask & ye shall receive, m'dear . . .

The Price of Freedom by vandonovan
The Bet by lithrael
Figuring It Out by vandonovan (erm, it's actually Jamie/Leela, but it's got a nicely implied Two/Jamie ending)
Rotten All Right, part one, part two & part three by lithrael (this is actually, um, Salamander/Jamie, but it ENDS with Two/Jamie!)
Winterlude by vandonovan (♥♥♥ omg such lovely, non-smutty romance, with bonus Ben/Polly!)

& yes, I know, I SAID just Two/Jamie, but I do hate neglecting Zoe so . . .

Isobel's Zoeby amywolf.
now I'm going to go read some of this. ::wanders off:: & I do wonder if I'll ever be brave enough to think of Jamie, Victoria, & sex in the same thought. I CAN'T DO IT, I SWEAR!

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I ♥ the story of your Two love - what a lovely journey, it seems. :D
I'll have to add that, before that, I got curious about the Doctors that preceded Five and ordered some VHS tapes of them (this was around 2000 or 2001, before I got a DVD player), and Pat's tape was a tribute featuring three orphaned episodes now available in the Lost in Time set and presented by Jon Pertwee, who said some very sweet things about Pat - and mentioned a recurring joke the two of them made at conventions involving water guns, and which Rich Morris used for a small visual joke in the Ten Doctos webcomic. That tape was what made me fall for Jamie (more specifically, the moment during The Abominable Snowmen where he announces he has an idea), but the falling for Pat would only come later with The Two Doctors.

& Five, who I think is sweet, but a bit bland for my liking.
When you can, I recommend you watch Five's final story, The Caves of Androzani - Five is truly badass in that one, no blandess in sight. :P Plus, that was the first regeneration I've watched (apart from that small clip of the One-to-Two regeneration from The Tenth Planet, which was in the Pat tape I mention above), and to this day it remains my very favourite. It's chilly and I love it. I also love the fact that Five's final word is "Adric?" after the boy's face shows up.
But let's not give it away too much before you actually watch it. If your dialup allows it, you can watch the Five-to-Six regeneration here.

::boggles:: I - just - WHAT CONTROLS THE TIME LORDS & THEIR THOUGHT PROCESS?! I mean, have they ever punished the Master?
I think they spoil the Master rotten - he's like a spoiled brat at times, who grew up having all his naughtiness forgiven and all his whims satisfied.

I don't see Romana as the President who would be so easy with the Master - or as contemptuous of the Doctor, especially since she travelled with him & knows what he's really like. But I'm thinking of Romana II, & not Romana III, of course.
Of course. I can easily see Romana III giving full pardon to the Master as long as he's able to provide her with something she wants.

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I'll have to add that, before that, I got curious about the Doctors that preceded Five and ordered some VHS tapes of them (this was around 2000 or 2001, before I got a DVD player), and Pat's tape was a tribute featuring three orphaned episodes now available in the Lost in Time set and presented by Jon Pertwee, who said some very sweet things about Pat - and mentioned a recurring joke the two of them made at conventions involving water guns, and which Rich Morris used for a small visual joke in the Ten Doctos webcomic. That tape was what made me fall for Jamie (more specifically, the moment during The Abominable Snowmen where he announces he has an idea), but the falling for Pat would only come later with The Two Doctors.

♥♥♥♥ & I do believe I know the reoccurring joke Jon was talking about - I think it was that they used to have water gun fights on occasion at conventions. If I'm right, I always thought that was so cute! & they were so adorable together in that interview they did with Peter Davison, when Pat was talking about his ill-fated almost-wig & just about knocked his glasses off. ^__^ I think I heart both of them equally - & the barbarian once teased me about it! O, she hasn't a bit of taste!

& I do remember in your astounding meta on Jamie, you mentioned that bit of The Abominable Snowman as being the one that really made you ♥ Jamie. & I totally agree. It's such cute moment & I always feel like Two needs a neat prod in the side for not hearing it!

When you can, I recommend you watch Five's final story, The Caves of Androzani - Five is truly badass in that one, no blandess in sight. :P Plus, that was the first regeneration I've watched (apart from that small clip of the One-to-Two regeneration from The Tenth Planet, which was in the Pat tape I mention above), and to this day it remains my very favourite. It's chilly and I love it. I also love the fact that Five's final word is "Adric?" after the boy's face shows up.

O, fabulous! Have you seen him in Resurrection of the Daleks, by any chance? I'm thinking of getting it, but all I know is that it's Tegan's final story. (I saw it used for thirteen dollars at the used bookshop & ALMOST bought it then. But I'm not sure yet.) I know a bit of why he regenerated - radiation poisoning I think, both him & Peri, & he chose to give Peri all of the antidote & to regenerate. & as I said before, that is EXACTLY why Radiohead's Pyramid Song will always make me think of him. Though Five isn't one of my top Doctors, I do think his choice was very noble & in a way, beautiful.

(that serial isn't on DVD, is it? I might look into it if it is!)

I think they spoil the Master rotten - he's like a spoiled brat at times, who grew up having all his naughtiness forgiven and all his whims satisfied.

I would say that's a solid assessment of how easily the Master gets away with everything. & while I do love him, it's now beginning to bother me; his cosmic mischief going unpunished, while the Doctor is the whipping boy of Rassilon, it seems. ::glares::

It doesn't surprise me at all that Gallifrey HAD to be destroyed, along with the Daleks, now. The Time Lords probably could have been able to prevent it, or avert it to a certain degree, but they probably just sat about & said that all things must happen in time & whatever rationalising nonsense they tell themselves.

I can easily see Romana III giving full pardon to the Master as long as he's able to provide her with something she wants.

. . . is she THAT horrid a regeneration? & if she is, can I pretend it's just another Time Lady who STOLE Romana's name & just posed as her to be evil & ruin Gallifrey then?

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I do believe I know the reoccurring joke Jon was talking about - I think it was that they used to have water gun fights on occasion at conventions. If I'm right, I always thought that was so cute!
It is cute - especially the fact that at each new convention the guns got bigger. I'm sure that if they were still alive, they'd probably drive fire trucks to the cons and try to hose each other down. :P

It's such cute moment & I always feel like Two needs a neat prod in the side for not hearing it!
I think he was joking, but it was a very mean joke. My poor poppet. *pets him*

O, fabulous! Have you seen him in Resurrection of the Daleks, by any chance?
It's part of my "Dalek Collection" DVD box set - which also has The Dalek Invasion of Earth, Genesis of the Daleks, Revelation of the Daleks and Remembrance of the Daleks.

that serial isn't on DVD, is it? I might look into it if it is!
Yes, I'm sure it is. I must get it for myself as well, one day, as it's been years since I've watched it from start to finish (again, from BBC Prime).

. . . is she THAT horrid a regeneration? & if she is, can I pretend it's just another Time Lady who STOLE Romana's name & just posed as her to be evil & ruin Gallifrey then?
Pretend away. :) As for me, I like to remember myself that the EDAs are AU and therefore Romana III is not canon. But then again, the same could be said about Fitz, so thank heavens he's transitioned to Big Finish now.

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I can't even think of a mix I've done where I could whip it all together so fast.
Well, I think it helps that a huge chunk of songs in my music file comes from the '60s. Basically, I pasted all the songs from the era I could find into a new folder, and removed the ones that didn't fit with Ben and Polly one by one until I ended up with the winning 14. And then, it was a matter of finding the order I felt they should be - starting with the song that I feel works perfectly for Ben and Polly meeting in the Inferno, and ending with one that could show them after The Faceless Ones looking at the river and ready to start their ordinary life again - only together.

I hope she was able to get out in time though - my personal canon says she did. :D
I think she was probably with Thous and Damon when they reached the surface, but wasn't given any lines. I'll have to rewatch to make sure. What I am sure of is that the only characters we've met that are accounted as dead during the flood are Zaroff and Lolem, so let's all believe that Ara and the old rug seller are alive and well.

The barbarian told me how she went to see it with her first husband & a friend of hers & afterward, her friend couldn't drive home on her own & the barbarian said she slept with all the lights on that night.
Oh dear. Yes, it's not the best film to watch. I'm also afraid of watching The Omen after all I've heard about it - but at the same time Patrick Troughton being in this movie makes me curious. I'm all conflicted.
The barbarian's story reminds me of my father telling me the story of how he and some buddies from the air force went to Lisbon to watch Christopher Lee's Dracula, and on the ride back it was raining heavily and there was a blackout. Apparently, even burly air force men (including one famous for flying with his plane upside-down and nearly touching the ground just for the lolz) can screech like little girls. :D

I think I would have preferred the recon of The Underwater Menace to be the quality of The Highlanders, & for The Highlanders to have been so delightfully redone.
And the same thing for The Faceless Ones, which is the recon I was most disappointed of. I'd gladly switch The Underwater Menace for those two any time.

One question: will you be including the BBC audios to the watch-a-thon now?

I've actually finished my last three recaps (which I'll be posting on Saturday)
*is itching to read them now but will make all efforts to wait*

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Well, I think it helps that a huge chunk of songs in my music file comes from the '60s. Basically, I pasted all the songs from the era I could find into a new folder, and removed the ones that didn't fit with Ben and Polly one by one until I ended up with the winning 14. And then, it was a matter of finding the order I felt they should be - starting with the song that I feel works perfectly for Ben and Polly meeting in the Inferno, and ending with one that could show them after The Faceless Ones looking at the river and ready to start their ordinary life again - only together.

See, if I had more 60s music, my Marwood mix would have been done SO MUCH faster! & possibly easier to do, as well, considering he was from 1969. :D

Ah, I don't even KNOW how I became such a Ben/Polly fangirl. I know how I became a Jamie/Victoria fangirl, but eee, how did Ben & Polly get me so fast?! ::giggles:: Aw, well, no matter, I adore them & nothing will ever get me to ship either of them with anyone else. Ben ♥ Polly. ::nods::

I think she was probably with Thous and Damon when they reached the surface, but wasn't given any lines. I'll have to rewatch to make sure. What I am sure of is that the only characters we've met that are accounted as dead during the flood are Zaroff and Lolem, so let's all believe that Ara and the old rug seller are alive and well.

Sounds good to me! (& on a note I didn't mention oddly in my first comment - how cute was Two's marketplace disguise? I LOVED his sunglasses! :D)

Oh dear. Yes, it's not the best film to watch. I'm also afraid of watching The Omen after all I've heard about it - but at the same time Patrick Troughton being in this movie makes me curious. I'm all conflicted.

::answers first, fangirls second::

O YES AGREED. I get jumpy any time I notice it's on, & to this very day, the barbarian won't watch it & I'm not even going to try & read the book. NO MA'AM.

& fangirling time . . . yes, I know how you feel - I never did feel brave enough to watch The Omen because just . . . I do NOT handle creepy little kids well. But at the same time . . . I rather DO want to see Patrick in it (AS A PRIEST!! ::flails::), so maybe I'll just watch the bits he's in & then watch a nice, cute, fluffy movie right after. (I've seen a picture of him as the priest in it - o, lovely lovely, I say!) I just wish I knew how much of it he's in, so I know how long I'll be spooked for. (& hopefully he won't die in it - that would make me a sad girlie!)

The barbarian's story reminds me of my father telling me the story of how he and some buddies from the air force went to Lisbon to watch Christopher Lee's Dracula, and on the ride back it was raining heavily and there was a blackout. Apparently, even burly air force men (including one famous for flying with his plane upside-down and nearly touching the ground just for the lolz) can screech like little girls. :D

O my! ::giggles:: I suppose ANYTHING can spook even the bravest of folks if all the right ingredients have been added! ^_^

One question: will you be including the BBC audios to the watch-a-thon now?

YES YES & YES! I haven't even touched them yet (nope, not even The Enemy of the World & I AM DYING TO HEAR IT!!) specifically so I could add them to the rewatch-athon! & some of them, I can supplement with my Lost in Time DVDs I think. If you & I were going to bet on whether or not I'll be seeing if I can get The Enemy of the World onto my iPod, I WOULD SO BE LOSING. :P That voice! The ideas for Salamander/Victoria! ::sighs dreamily::

HEE! I knooooow, & I want to post them, but if I did, then we might never get to discuss this set properly! :P (besides, my recap for The Underwater Menace isn't the greatest!)

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I know how I became a Jamie/Victoria fangirl, but eee, how did Ben & Polly get me so fast?!
Because they're Ben and Polly? *grins* Seriously, it's impossible not to love the Duchess and her sailor.

& hopefully he won't die in it - that would make me a sad girlie!
I'm sorry to tell you this, but he does indeed die - and it seems like it's one of the most memorable (which I believe might also mean "gruesome") deaths in the whole movie.

I haven't even touched them yet (nope, not even The Enemy of the World & I AM DYING TO HEAR IT!!) specifically so I could add them to the rewatch-athon!
Yay!

HEE! I knooooow, & I want to post them, but if I did, then we might never get to discuss this set properly! :P
*grins* Yes, that makes some sense. :D

(besides, my recap for The Underwater Menace isn't the greatest!)
Well, as long as it's there. :)

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Seriously, it's impossible not to love the Duchess and her sailor.

I'll toast to that! ::toasts:: :D (I MUST find more Ben/Polly fic!)

I'm sorry to tell you this, but he does indeed die - and it seems like it's one of the most memorable (which I believe might also mean "gruesome") deaths in the whole movie.

EEEEEK! ::hides under blankets:: I . . . I really don't want to know HOW he dies, but at the same time I'm curious . . . argh, I may have to at LEAST see five minutes of him in this to remedy my indecisiveness.

(& I think if I remember right, The Omen is another film that somewhat frightens the barbarian, but she's only slightly over it now. ::giggles:: But I don't mind having a peek at it for Patrick! :D)

HEE, I just spent half the time writing my last comment to roughly organise all of my BBC audios in serial order - a bit of a challenge, but I'll probably figure it out one I start watching & supplementing them with my Lost in Time DVD & all the rest of my serials.

*grins* Yes, that makes some sense. :D

::smiles like Two in The Mind Robber::

(besides, my recap for The Underwater Menace isn't the greatest!)
Well, as long as it's there. :)

It IS, but it's probably one of my most boring & rather shallow ones ever. ;)

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I . . . I really don't want to know HOW he dies, but at the same time I'm curious . . .
I know what you mean. To this day, I'm frightened of even trying to find out through Wikipedia or some other research method, let alone watching it. Pat should not die, ever - not even while playing the most gruesome villain.
(which makes me think - how would the Master have been like played by Pat? *ponders*)

It IS, but it's probably one of my most boring & rather shallow ones ever. ;)
That's okay - if you're not satisfied, you can later on read a more in-depth and detailed recap when you check out alouzon's thoughts on the serial in those links I gave you. And I'm not mentioning it just because I proof-read it and provided her with some screencaps I took. :P

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I know what you mean. To this day, I'm frightened of even trying to find out through Wikipedia or some other research method, let alone watching it. Pat should not die, ever - not even while playing the most gruesome villain.

AGREED TIMES TEN, THANKYOUVERYMUCH. BUT. I, being a girlie of . . . insatiable curiosity, went & looked his death scene up on Wikipedia & well . . . yes, it would be what I call memorable. & probably v. gruesome, considering the manner of it. (but o, I WANT to see him just for a bit in it! I cannot resist the sexiness.)

& incidentally, David Warner, who once played an AU!Alternate!Audio!Three FABULOUSLY is in it & he, um, gets decapitated by a sheet of plate glass. Pat doesn't lose his head, I'll tell you that!

(which makes me think - how would the Master have been like played by Pat? *ponders*)

It's a good thing I was typing this whilst sitting on my bed - what a swoon-worthy thought!

& hmm . . . I keep thinking something along the lines of Salamander, but without the accent, possibly/preferably no beard & the involvement of black velvet & black leather gloves. All of which I have a TERRIBLE fancy for, I admit! Or maybe something more James Bond!villainy-esque - cold, calculating & utterly irredeemable. With the black velvet & leather gloves still. What about you?

That's okay - if you're not satisfied, you can later on read a more in-depth and detailed recap when you check out alouzon's thoughts on the serial in those links I gave you. And I'm not mentioning it just because I proof-read it and provided her with some screencaps I took. :P

Hee! ::hugs you:: Aww, thankyou love. When I DO put mine up, I shall go & check out hers!

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I, being a girlie of . . . insatiable curiosity, went & looked his death scene up on Wikipedia & well . . . yes, it would be what I call memorable. & probably v. gruesome, considering the manner of it.
Oh dear.

& hmm . . . I keep thinking something along the lines of Salamander, but without the accent, possibly/preferably no beard & the involvement of black velvet & black leather gloves.
Hmm, I like your idea.
Myself, I'd like to see Pat!Master with a beard. I think Pat can look stunning with one.

Which reminds me - I have to watch his appearance as a villain in Space: 1999 one day; I have the whole series on DVD, but I'm yet to watch that episode. I know that he has a beard in it, and that he tried to harm my favourite character, Maya (who, incidentally, is played by Catherine Schell, who was the villainess in City of Death; role-reversal much?).

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I, being a girlie of . . . insatiable curiosity, went & looked his death scene up on Wikipedia & well . . . yes, it would be what I call memorable. & probably v. gruesome, considering the manner of it.
Oh dear.

Yes . . . & I had no shyness in DOING it, as I, who HATEHATEHATES most horror movies (though there are a couple of exceptions, but nothing made past '95 & NO MODERN HORROR FILMS NO, NO NO!) & just watches the bad ones for the LOLZ, does, on occasion look up horror movie summaries on Wikipedia & end up reading five or six at a time. & the first time I did that, I was reading about the Saw series, which led into a bunch of other ones & even though I did this with the light on, in a good mood, I COULD NOT SLEEP. & I did have a few dreams from them. I'm silly, I know!

(& I'll not tell you how he dies, unless you want to know, promise!)

Myself, I'd like to see Pat!Master with a beard. I think Pat can look stunning with one.

. . . you know, I could have learnt to like one on him myself if he had been the Master. ::girlish sighs:: (I quite liked our Beardy!Masters, I must confess. ^_^) & one must admit, the idea of Pat in black velvet & black leather gloves would appeal to anyone! (& if it didn't, their loss! :D)

Which reminds me - I have to watch his appearance as a villain in Space: 1999 one day; I have the whole series on DVD, but I'm yet to watch that episode. I know that he has a beard in it, and that he tried to harm my favourite character, Maya (who, incidentally, is played by Catherine Schell, who was the villainess in City of Death; role-reversal much?).

. . . .

YES, YES, YOU MUST! & maybe provide caps & a fast recap? I'd LOVE to be able to see more things with Pat being anywhere from slightly evil to full-blown evil LIKE WHOA, but alas, I have yet to FIND anything. D: & I'm sure he's quite good in it. ^____^

(& sorry for my sudden radio silence; seem to be somehow developing human sleep patterns; this will NOT do. EVER.)