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riverdresses& now, here we go, off on the second three recaps of the great & mighty Troughton rewatch-athon!
The Smugglers
- So this serial picks up from where we left off at the end of The War Machines, with Ben & Polly going into the TARDIS to return One's key to him, then him taking off with them inside. This could be a bit harder to recap, because it's a recon, but I'll do my best!
One seems quite angry to have uninvited guests in his ship this time, but actually, I don't think of him as being angry so much as just very surprised. He says himself he thought he would finally be alone after leaving 1966. I think if he were really angry, he would have made a point of throwing Ben & Polly off the TARDIS right then & there, if they hadn't already demateralised. Also, I doubt he would have explained certain aspects of the TARDIS to them like he did if he was so angry or he was planning on ditching them at some point.
- I love Ben's initial shock when he & Polly are inside the TARDIS for the first time. Polly seems to stay very level headed, even though she's just stepped into a huge room in what she thought was a mere police box. It's a good contrast to Ben's shock & general reactions, I think. She doesn't scream or panic, she just listens & asks questions. Very good on her!
- I am a bit surprised that Ben refuses to believe that he's in a time machine, considering what he just went through with One in The War Machines. But I suppose those were a bit of a different set of circumstances - Ben was in his own time, dealing with something dangerous on his territory, not in an alien land millions of years in the past or future. So his reactions are a bit surprising to me, but also a fair bit understandable.
- Teehee! Polly pinched Ben! Well, he did ask for it, so he can't complain now, eh? ::giggles::
- & of course the Doctor's off to follow them - did you really believe he wouldn't? Did anyone really believe he didn't want to keep Ben & Polly safe?
- Polly's enthusiasm is so cute! & any thoughts I may have had as to One's feelings toward them? All gone, save for that he does want them there!
- O dear . . . seventeenth century?
- Polly doesn't like being called Duchess & she doesn't like being called a lad. But Ben just said one of my favourite lines ever! 'Listen to our little dolly rocker Duchess!' LOVE YA, BEN!
- Polly's pragmatic side is showing & Ben's sarcastic, annoyed side is coming out. But still, v. awesome, the both of them! & I DO love how the first things on Ben's mind is some good beer. ::giggles:: Sailors! ::giggle::
- Ben ready to fight for One! GO BEN! ::waves pompoms:: Seriously, I ♥ Ben even more every minute.
- I quite like how Polly insists that Ben be seen to after somebody finally shows up to help her. & I'm glad Ben wasn't too severely injured!
- ARGH NOW I'M WORRIED FOR ONE DAMMIT. I know he can help himself, but still, I'm worried how he's going to get away from a band of pirates & their ship. ::chews fingers::
- WHAT THE HELL WHY ARE BEN & POLLY BEING ARRESTED. Another reason to worry now! & I am worried if they're going to find out Polly's no boy - that could be quite dangerous for her.
- One is quite brave (& a bit saucy!) when being threatened by pirates! & surprisingly, still dapper-looking even when a bit torn up.
- POLLY LOVES THEIR PREDICAMENT! & Ben's all whiny & sour about it - ha! Polly = the better adventuress of the two, perhaps? But seriously, I love how Polly's the one finding the adventure & excitement in their problem, even if she has been accused of murder & is currently sitting in gaol.
- Wait, Polly's excited one minute, then she's screaming about a rat? EXCUSE ME? Hello, inconsistant writing.
Or maybe not inconsistent, but that bit bugs me a fair bit.
- Ah, but Kickass!Polly returns just a bit later, with her plan of faking witchery! ::grins:: Go Polly, go Polly! But alas, for her good moment, we must have her irritating fear of rats - girl, you're in a seventeenth-century gaol - OF COURSE THERE'LL BE RATS! Don't tell me you expected it to be all nice & clean!
(but really, I blame the writers, not Polly. Silly writers.)
- One's got brains, gentility, & he knows how to work the right people in the write places - I'm jealous of Susan getting to be his granddaughter! I love One's manipulation of Captain Pike by playing to his apparent vanity & his flattery of him. One is a BADASS, I must reiterate!
- Polly's become 'Paul' now & GO GIRL, GO GIRL, PLAY ON SEVENTEENTH-CENTURY FEAR LIKE THAT! ::hugs her:: & Ben is a great accomplice in her plans, I must say. But Polly Wright FTMFW, BITCHES! & YAY, THEY'RE FREE! Thanks to Polly's snappy thinking, of course!
Seriously. I love this girl. She's as worthy a companion to the Doctor as any of her predecessors!
- Ben & Polly playing detective together is kind of cute, actually. & awww, Ben's worried about Polly's safety. ♥
- Ben, while not as sophisticated as One, is pretty good at getting information when he wants it, at least so far.
- Hmm. The Squire sounds a bit like One. Just a note!
- & quite an ending to leave off on - I'm rather worried for Ben & Polly now! Where is One, o, where IS he?!
- OMG, One's telling fortunes now! HOW DOES HE GET MORE AWESOME WITH EVERY SERIAL? & hmm . . . I wonder what One's up to . . . doesn't seem like him, telling fortunes - O! PLOY! V. good show Doctor, v. good show! ::shan't doubt One again::
(but I'd not be surprised if the Doctor knew how to tell fortunes in different ways - even if he's really more a man of science & exploration, that doesn't mean he wouldn't know how to perhaps read a tea leaf or two, or cut a Tarot deck.)
- Phew! At last, Ben & Polly have a partial believer! But a partial believer is better than what they had before - nothing!
- OMG ONE'S BACK!! ::hugs him:: Now, the three of them shall kick some pirate arse!
- Wow. One . . . damn, I haven't even got words, but the fact that he feels so morally obligated & responsible for protecting the village is . . . wow. I am . . . I mean, I know all of the Doctor is like that, but hearing him explain it in such solid terms just blows me away. Not that I didn't expect him to try & save the village, along with Ben & Polly, nor did I expect him to run off & leave the village to its own fate so the three of them could go elsewhere, but I don't think I'd expected him to be so open in explaining his feelings about it to Ben. I really can see Barbara's good influence shining through now & I can see that is something she left with him & that he'll not lose, ever.
(um, in short, One is love. & I totally love him even more now, if such a thing is possible.)
- & I love how Polly sides with One completely. She's full of strength & compassion & I love her so. & Ben! I'm a bit disappointed in him for wanting to run off & let the village die so easily, but I'm glad he came around somewhat.
Polly > Ben
- Ooo! Ben & Polly's lark in the graveyard helped One figure out the churchwarden's riddle! & they're getting all the pieces together at quite a pace!
- One's v. brave to make Ben & Polly leave him like that to keep them safe. & Ben's awesome for saying he'll be back for him. ::nods::
- One's so honourable, even when dealing with the likes of Captain Pike. ♥ WHY DO PEOPLE DISRESPECT HIM SO MUCH?!
- ::sighs:: I sort of find Ben rescuing Polly from pirates to be terribly romantic. ::blushes::
- & off they (& I!) go onto their next destination, which, sadly, will be One's final story. But it must be faced with a clear mind, & a brave heart.
The Tenth Planet
- Oooo, the opening titles are quite ominous for this serial - I love them! Immediately makes me think of Cybermen. (& yay, a Kit Pedler story!)
- This serial, if I remember right, is almost entirely intact, save for the final story, which is a recon. So it should be a bit easier for me to recap for the most part. (I'm thinking recapping a serial that's a recon is an art that must be learnt a bit slowly, if one means to pick it up properly!)
- 'Doctor, you have a fantastic wardrobe!' YES! Proof that the Doctor's always had one hell of a wardrobe, even if he was only travelling with Susan! & I LOVE Polly's choice - supercute & warm! & aww, how sweet is it that she gently fusses over One's warmth? 'Like toast, my dear!' LOVE.
- Random fashion note: Polly's carrying a muff! Stylish indeed!
- Sigh, men gawking at pretty, dolly, jolly Polly already? MEN.Ben's not going to like this. I think!
- Ha, One doesn't tolerate ANYONE speaking him in a rude tone! Respect the Doctor or get cut!
- 1986?! OMG. I was expecting them to land in the twenty-first century myself, but 1986?! That's three years before I was born! Wild, man.
- Hmm, so this tenth planet is between Mars & Venus? Why did I think it was near Pluto? (yes, this was the 1960s, Pluto was still a planet!)
- One's knowledge of what this planet means is sort of giving me the creeps. I don't really want to speculate as to what the planet is myself, but his knowing it is just creepy.
- LOLZ, THEY'RE GOING TO TRY & BREAK INTO THE TARDIS? LOLZ, I SAY AGAIN.
- UM. I think we just had our first - no, we HAVE just had our first sighting of Mondasian Cybermen! WHOA. & yes, they disturb me as well as the Telosian ones do. Right now, it's all in their faces.
- Okay, the Cybermen are in the base now. & they're scary, okay?! & their voices are kind of creeeepy.
- Mondasian Cybermen are an interesting breed & they are NOT like the Telosian breed, which is what most of us have seen in future serials - the Mondasian breed only had one serial, I think, & it was this one.![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
nentari & I have/are having quite an interesting talk about the differences between Mondasian, Telosian & Cybus Cybermen, the latter being the new series ones. The Mondasian ones seem, to me, just a slight bit more human than the Telosian ones, or even the Cybus ones. They're more willing to answer human queries about who & what they are, as well as how they became what they are now. They also seem more inclined to carry on a conversation, or something like one, with humans, whereas Telosian & Cybus Cybermen are more of the 'convert delete or kill' sort.
Also, their design is vastly different from their counterparts - more bulky & more tubed in the front, & far less of a metallic face. In fact, their faces remind me of clown faces - & I'm somewhat scared of clowns.
& also, the Mondasian Cybermen still have the stealth of the Telosian ones - which is something the Cybus Cybermen of the new series irritatingly lost - honestly, if the Mondasian Cybermen & the Telosian Cybermen went around stomping & clanking like ghosts with rusty chains attached, it would be far too easy for the Doctor to wipe them out before they even showed up!
- So now the Cybermen threw Ben in a projection room & yet, he's learnt from the Doctor already - never give up, no matter how bleak a situation looks. & his remorse at being forced to kill a Cybermen . . . o, Ben. ::hugs::
(& Polly's at his side already!)
- I was actually only planning to go to the second story tonight, but I'm on the third story & I just can't stop watching! Anyway, Cybermen are - O FUCK! One just collapsed! One just collapsed & the Cybermen are bringing in more & along with spaceships. This is not the best time for One to be taken ill!
- Polly says he just seems worn out. I'm pretty worried about the Doctor, my own self! But I rather liked how Ben insists that he & Polly get back to the others & that there's nothing they can do for him. Be that as it may, I'm worried about One.
- HA. Polly may appear to be making coffee, but that girl's working her ulterior motives in-between adding sugar & cream! To all the Polly haters - SHE'S NOT JUST THE MOTHERFUCKING TEA GIRL, BITCHES! She's got someone on her, Ben & One's side now. Not bad for someone everyone always calls a 'screamer' & 'a tea lady'. IN YOUR FACES, POLLY'S AWESOME.
- Oooo, v. James Bond there Ben, crawling through ventilation shafts like that! & he's got his pocket knife! He's ready, folks.
- Another random note - I LOVE Polly's dress! (or is it a jumper?) Overall, she really looks just fabulous! & her EYES! I WANT HER EYES, OR AT LEAST, HER EYE MAKEUP.
- JERK KNOCKED BEN OUT! ::growls:: But at least Polly's there to help him out a bit. (he looks so sweet whilst unconscious . . . but they both look quite sweet together.)
- Okay, we're in recon mode now - & it is a GREAT recon, seriously. An absolutely cracking recon.
- 'I guess this old body of mine is wearing a bit thin.'
O, One. I . . . I know what will come next . . . but I don't want you to leave!
- Wow, owing a Cyberman your life . . . not a concept I'm so readily familiar with. & saving a Cyberman as well . . . wow.
- Ben is going to cut a Cyberman if they touch Polly. Seriously.
- FUCKERS ARE NOT CONVERTING POLLY, FUCK THAT NOISE. & if they do, Ben & One will rip their heads right off.
- I'm sorry, but the Mondasian Cybermen have faces that are freaking me the fuck out - they look too fucking much like clowns! ::hides::
- WHOA, WHOA, GO BEN! He's caught on that Cybermen can't handle radiation! That would make him the first companion of the Doctor's to realise that Cybermen cannot face radiation without dying.
(incidentally, Polly's the one who kicked some Cybermen arse with nail varnish remover! Those two were damn good against Cybermen!)
- ::is scared for Polly & One::
- Ben is showing his snappy, hit-the-ground-fighting traits again, just like he showed us in The War Machines. ROCK ON, BEN! I just hope he'll be okay after being so close to radioactive materials!
- I love Ben. Sometimes, so far, he's bugged me a bit, but he's awesome & I do love him. He really is a great companion.
- WHOA. Mondas disintegrates, & so do the Cybermen? AWESOME!
- & now Ben's saving Polly & One! But One . . . he doesn't look good at all. He sounds awful & he looks so weak . . .
- Okay, this is . . . not good. He can barely even get Ben & Polly inside the TARDIS! & the TARDIS doesn't even sound like herself!
- & . . . . he's gone. Just like that. He collapsed & One . . . isn't One anymore.
(okay, going to have a bit of sap for a moment here.)
In the mix I made about the nine times the Doctor has regenerated, I used the song Airbag by Radiohead, because, based on the research I'd done on One's regeneration, I felt like it fit his moment of regeneration, particularly the line 'In an interstellar burst/I'm back to save the universe'.
& that's just what happens.
Still . . . I miss One already. ::sad sigh::
Also,nentari & I once had a bit of discussion on what it was that caused One to regenerate - was it because of the Cybermen, or was it simply because his original body was finally forced to regenerate, or he would have died? After watching, I'm pretty much solid on the idea of his regeneration coming about because his first body was just too old & had been through too much & if he hadn't regenerated when he did, he would have died altogether. Also, there is enough evidence throughout the story that his body was finally showing signs of age & that a regeneration would have to come soon.
(I should also say that I am one hundred percent sure that the first body we see the Doctor in is the body he was born with.)
The Power of the Daleks
- Picking up where we left off, One has just regenerated into his second body on the floor of the TARDIS, in front of Ben & Polly, who are lost as fuck as to what's just happened.
- & Patrick Troughton's off to a GREAT start as our second Doctor! I love his post-regeneration scene - v. well played & v. in-keeping with what I've seen the Doctor like after he's regenerated.
- Teehee! Now he's got to examine his new face. & his muscles are a bit tight, alas.
- Now everything's beginning to fall into place for all three of them - Two knows he's the Doctor now, or at least he seems to.
- THE RECORDER!! I LOVE IT! Aww! & he's got his five hundred year diary & knows who Ben is - okay, getting there now, I'd say.
- I love how Polly's the one with full faith in the Doctor; that it is the Doctor & he'll be okay, while Ben's insanely sceptical about everything that's going on around him. It's a good contrast both to each other & to Two's own confusion.
- HE'S PLAYING IT AGAIN. ♥ & Ben appears to be none too happy about it. He's even shouted at Polly. Yeah, he's not in the best of moods. & AWWW, STILL PLAYING IT. I think he's rather good, myself.
- O yeah, this is so the Doctor - plotty, cunning, sneaky & with just the right card up his sleeve. ::grins:: Loving him already, on his first serial! I do hope Ben cuts the 'OMG THIS AIN'T THE DOCTOR!' bollocks already. Preferably very soon.
- I have a really bad feeling about that capsule & the first serial's half over. Meep.
- Two is awesomely sneaky, I have GOT to say that.
- FUCK. Daleks. Well . . . they don't look as deadly as the ones I've seen, but WHAT is that thing on the floor?! & where's the fourth one?
- GAH THAT THING IS DISGUSTING! It looks like a bloody mutated jellyfish!
(I think I've also forgotten that this IS the first time Ben & Polly have ever seen a Dalek. They've met Cybermen, but not Daleks.)
- Christ on a cracker . . . I'm sorry, Cybermen may scare me more, but Daleks can do it pretty well too. & Two saying only one Dalek would be needed to wipe out the whole colony on Vulcan . . . I find it chilling.
- HA! Two's sauciness is sexy! ::blows kiss::
- He's only just regenerated, but he's got the spark & fire of his later time - ♥ Two ♥
- DUDE, WTF, ARE YOU AN IDIOT? WHY ARE TRYING TO REVIVE THE DALEKS? Why don't people just listen to the Doctor when he talks?! Melt the pepperpots down!
- Hee, reference to his meeting Marco Polo! & BEN, CUT THE BITCHING, PLEASE. Polly, however, gets a cupcake for believing him to be the real Doctor.
- 'I never talk nonsense. Well, hardly ever.'
- Wow. Two's actually giving me a bit of a spook in this serial - he's never done that before. It's his mysteriousness, his sense of confusion, the hint of darkness I keep feeling from him. I don't think I've ever known one to be like this - he's always been the Doctor I'd want to be best friends with, to go dancing with, & learn to play recorder from. I know there's more to him than his outward silliness & cheerful disposition, like how there's more to Eight than his giddiness & Romantic tendencies, but unlike with Eight, I've never seen Two's darker side - or maybe I have & don't remember it - prior to now. I've seen his cleverness, his wit, his capabilities, but not so much this . . . darkness I just feel from him in this story.
- EARTH PEOPLE ARE TWITS. WHY, WHY, WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO REVIVE A DAMN DALEK?! Okay, FINE, get your silly selves exterminated, so you don't pollute the rest of the human gene pool by procreating. ::sighs loudly::
- More recorder playing! & I love the discussion between Polly & Ben over the deputy governor's guilt or innocence. I think it's an interesting showcase of their personalities, as well as their emotions & of course, their feelings on the situation at hand.
- O, FUCK ME, WHY ARE EARTH PEOPLE SUCH FOOLS. & Two agrees with me, I see. ::glares:: (& maybe NOW Ben will quit the bitching about him being the Doctor or not.)
- The very last half of the second serial, when the Dalek begins to speak, & Two's desperately trying to explain a Dalek's true nature & both are sort of vocally (or should I say aurally?) overlaid is both haunting & chilling.
. . . Okay, it's just scary. To me, anyway. People, just melt down the Daleks before you get yourselves wiped out!
- Any time a Dalek claims to be 'helping' a human? It's time to bash the thing in the eyestalk with a baseball bat.
- GET YOUR GRUBBY HANDS OFF MY DUCHESS BASTARDS!
- More recorder playing! & when Ben finds out they've kidnapped Polly, he is going to blow a frakkin' fuse.
- O, sure, let's just hand over lots of shiny stuff to the Daleks all willy-nilly, why don't we? ::sighs even louder::
- O.fuck.me. The Daleks have all been reactivated. That colony is SCREWED.
- O no. Two's been discovered. Now HE'S screwed!
- & now people are leaving pseudo-ransom notes about Polly? ::glowers:: NOT ON.
- HALLELUJAH, SOMEONE'S SLOWLY BEGINNING TO AGREE WITH TWO.
- Dalek reproduction is . . . . well . . . . let's pretend I don't know about it, okay?
- 'You think you're very tough, don't you, pushing a girl around. I'd like to see you come up against a real man.'
'Like who?'
'Like Ben for instance!'
♥♥♥♥
Polly-girl, you are the awesome.
- . . . . Did Two just use his recorder to break out of a prison cell?
THAT RECORDER IS A WEAPON IN HIS HANDS! & he is made of some serious win, people.
- For some reason, I find Two telling Polly that Ben can take care of himself to be quite sweet.
- & yes, the ending of the fifth part gave me some massive chills. Dalek voices are v. scary when they layer over each other like that.
- My shippy little heart went all fluttery when Ben & Polly finally got to see each other again. Awww.
- Ben comforting Polly! O . . . ♥♥
- 'Why can't you just take all the plugs out and cut the power?'
'Because I prefer to do it my way!'
Hee! I love Two's stubbornness; it's one of my favourite things about him.
- Something I've not noted yet - the concept of one scientist 'giving' life to the Daleks - it feels very Frankenstein-esque, in my opinion. Not only were the Daleks brought to life by a human, they killed humans as well. Of course, all under very different circumstances. But it did put me in mind of the story.
- Ah, a sneaky escape, as the Doctor prefers. ::smiles:: & more recorder playing!!
- & away they go, off to new places & new faces! Bravo, bravo! ::claps::
Whew! This was the official beginning of the great & mighty Troughton rewatch-athon & alas, the ending point of the Hartnell era for now. (but I've a load of Hartnell-era serials to watch!) The next three serials will be The Highlanders (!!!), The Underwater Menace & The Moonbase, the last two I may supplement with my Lost in Time DVD collection.
Previous recaps
The Dalek Invasion of Earth
The Time Meddler
The War Machines
The Smugglers
- So this serial picks up from where we left off at the end of The War Machines, with Ben & Polly going into the TARDIS to return One's key to him, then him taking off with them inside. This could be a bit harder to recap, because it's a recon, but I'll do my best!
One seems quite angry to have uninvited guests in his ship this time, but actually, I don't think of him as being angry so much as just very surprised. He says himself he thought he would finally be alone after leaving 1966. I think if he were really angry, he would have made a point of throwing Ben & Polly off the TARDIS right then & there, if they hadn't already demateralised. Also, I doubt he would have explained certain aspects of the TARDIS to them like he did if he was so angry or he was planning on ditching them at some point.
- I love Ben's initial shock when he & Polly are inside the TARDIS for the first time. Polly seems to stay very level headed, even though she's just stepped into a huge room in what she thought was a mere police box. It's a good contrast to Ben's shock & general reactions, I think. She doesn't scream or panic, she just listens & asks questions. Very good on her!
- I am a bit surprised that Ben refuses to believe that he's in a time machine, considering what he just went through with One in The War Machines. But I suppose those were a bit of a different set of circumstances - Ben was in his own time, dealing with something dangerous on his territory, not in an alien land millions of years in the past or future. So his reactions are a bit surprising to me, but also a fair bit understandable.
- Teehee! Polly pinched Ben! Well, he did ask for it, so he can't complain now, eh? ::giggles::
- & of course the Doctor's off to follow them - did you really believe he wouldn't? Did anyone really believe he didn't want to keep Ben & Polly safe?
- Polly's enthusiasm is so cute! & any thoughts I may have had as to One's feelings toward them? All gone, save for that he does want them there!
- O dear . . . seventeenth century?
- Polly doesn't like being called Duchess & she doesn't like being called a lad. But Ben just said one of my favourite lines ever! 'Listen to our little dolly rocker Duchess!' LOVE YA, BEN!
- Polly's pragmatic side is showing & Ben's sarcastic, annoyed side is coming out. But still, v. awesome, the both of them! & I DO love how the first things on Ben's mind is some good beer. ::giggles:: Sailors! ::giggle::
- Ben ready to fight for One! GO BEN! ::waves pompoms:: Seriously, I ♥ Ben even more every minute.
- I quite like how Polly insists that Ben be seen to after somebody finally shows up to help her. & I'm glad Ben wasn't too severely injured!
- ARGH NOW I'M WORRIED FOR ONE DAMMIT. I know he can help himself, but still, I'm worried how he's going to get away from a band of pirates & their ship. ::chews fingers::
- WHAT THE HELL WHY ARE BEN & POLLY BEING ARRESTED. Another reason to worry now! & I am worried if they're going to find out Polly's no boy - that could be quite dangerous for her.
- One is quite brave (& a bit saucy!) when being threatened by pirates! & surprisingly, still dapper-looking even when a bit torn up.
- POLLY LOVES THEIR PREDICAMENT! & Ben's all whiny & sour about it - ha! Polly = the better adventuress of the two, perhaps? But seriously, I love how Polly's the one finding the adventure & excitement in their problem, even if she has been accused of murder & is currently sitting in gaol.
- Wait, Polly's excited one minute, then she's screaming about a rat? EXCUSE ME? Hello, inconsistant writing.
Or maybe not inconsistent, but that bit bugs me a fair bit.
- Ah, but Kickass!Polly returns just a bit later, with her plan of faking witchery! ::grins:: Go Polly, go Polly! But alas, for her good moment, we must have her irritating fear of rats - girl, you're in a seventeenth-century gaol - OF COURSE THERE'LL BE RATS! Don't tell me you expected it to be all nice & clean!
(but really, I blame the writers, not Polly. Silly writers.)
- One's got brains, gentility, & he knows how to work the right people in the write places - I'm jealous of Susan getting to be his granddaughter! I love One's manipulation of Captain Pike by playing to his apparent vanity & his flattery of him. One is a BADASS, I must reiterate!
- Polly's become 'Paul' now & GO GIRL, GO GIRL, PLAY ON SEVENTEENTH-CENTURY FEAR LIKE THAT! ::hugs her:: & Ben is a great accomplice in her plans, I must say. But Polly Wright FTMFW, BITCHES! & YAY, THEY'RE FREE! Thanks to Polly's snappy thinking, of course!
Seriously. I love this girl. She's as worthy a companion to the Doctor as any of her predecessors!
- Ben & Polly playing detective together is kind of cute, actually. & awww, Ben's worried about Polly's safety. ♥
- Ben, while not as sophisticated as One, is pretty good at getting information when he wants it, at least so far.
- Hmm. The Squire sounds a bit like One. Just a note!
- & quite an ending to leave off on - I'm rather worried for Ben & Polly now! Where is One, o, where IS he?!
- OMG, One's telling fortunes now! HOW DOES HE GET MORE AWESOME WITH EVERY SERIAL? & hmm . . . I wonder what One's up to . . . doesn't seem like him, telling fortunes - O! PLOY! V. good show Doctor, v. good show! ::shan't doubt One again::
(but I'd not be surprised if the Doctor knew how to tell fortunes in different ways - even if he's really more a man of science & exploration, that doesn't mean he wouldn't know how to perhaps read a tea leaf or two, or cut a Tarot deck.)
- Phew! At last, Ben & Polly have a partial believer! But a partial believer is better than what they had before - nothing!
- OMG ONE'S BACK!! ::hugs him:: Now, the three of them shall kick some pirate arse!
- Wow. One . . . damn, I haven't even got words, but the fact that he feels so morally obligated & responsible for protecting the village is . . . wow. I am . . . I mean, I know all of the Doctor is like that, but hearing him explain it in such solid terms just blows me away. Not that I didn't expect him to try & save the village, along with Ben & Polly, nor did I expect him to run off & leave the village to its own fate so the three of them could go elsewhere, but I don't think I'd expected him to be so open in explaining his feelings about it to Ben. I really can see Barbara's good influence shining through now & I can see that is something she left with him & that he'll not lose, ever.
(um, in short, One is love. & I totally love him even more now, if such a thing is possible.)
- & I love how Polly sides with One completely. She's full of strength & compassion & I love her so. & Ben! I'm a bit disappointed in him for wanting to run off & let the village die so easily, but I'm glad he came around somewhat.
- Ooo! Ben & Polly's lark in the graveyard helped One figure out the churchwarden's riddle! & they're getting all the pieces together at quite a pace!
- One's v. brave to make Ben & Polly leave him like that to keep them safe. & Ben's awesome for saying he'll be back for him. ::nods::
- One's so honourable, even when dealing with the likes of Captain Pike. ♥ WHY DO PEOPLE DISRESPECT HIM SO MUCH?!
- ::sighs:: I sort of find Ben rescuing Polly from pirates to be terribly romantic. ::blushes::
- & off they (& I!) go onto their next destination, which, sadly, will be One's final story. But it must be faced with a clear mind, & a brave heart.
The Tenth Planet
- Oooo, the opening titles are quite ominous for this serial - I love them! Immediately makes me think of Cybermen. (& yay, a Kit Pedler story!)
- This serial, if I remember right, is almost entirely intact, save for the final story, which is a recon. So it should be a bit easier for me to recap for the most part. (I'm thinking recapping a serial that's a recon is an art that must be learnt a bit slowly, if one means to pick it up properly!)
- 'Doctor, you have a fantastic wardrobe!' YES! Proof that the Doctor's always had one hell of a wardrobe, even if he was only travelling with Susan! & I LOVE Polly's choice - supercute & warm! & aww, how sweet is it that she gently fusses over One's warmth? 'Like toast, my dear!' LOVE.
- Random fashion note: Polly's carrying a muff! Stylish indeed!
- Sigh, men gawking at pretty, dolly, jolly Polly already? MEN.
- Ha, One doesn't tolerate ANYONE speaking him in a rude tone! Respect the Doctor or get cut!
- 1986?! OMG. I was expecting them to land in the twenty-first century myself, but 1986?! That's three years before I was born! Wild, man.
- Hmm, so this tenth planet is between Mars & Venus? Why did I think it was near Pluto? (yes, this was the 1960s, Pluto was still a planet!)
- One's knowledge of what this planet means is sort of giving me the creeps. I don't really want to speculate as to what the planet is myself, but his knowing it is just creepy.
- LOLZ, THEY'RE GOING TO TRY & BREAK INTO THE TARDIS? LOLZ, I SAY AGAIN.
- UM. I think we just had our first - no, we HAVE just had our first sighting of Mondasian Cybermen! WHOA. & yes, they disturb me as well as the Telosian ones do. Right now, it's all in their faces.
- Okay, the Cybermen are in the base now. & they're scary, okay?! & their voices are kind of creeeepy.
- Mondasian Cybermen are an interesting breed & they are NOT like the Telosian breed, which is what most of us have seen in future serials - the Mondasian breed only had one serial, I think, & it was this one.
nentari & I have/are having quite an interesting talk about the differences between Mondasian, Telosian & Cybus Cybermen, the latter being the new series ones. The Mondasian ones seem, to me, just a slight bit more human than the Telosian ones, or even the Cybus ones. They're more willing to answer human queries about who & what they are, as well as how they became what they are now. They also seem more inclined to carry on a conversation, or something like one, with humans, whereas Telosian & Cybus Cybermen are more of the 'convert Also, their design is vastly different from their counterparts - more bulky & more tubed in the front, & far less of a metallic face. In fact, their faces remind me of clown faces - & I'm somewhat scared of clowns.
& also, the Mondasian Cybermen still have the stealth of the Telosian ones - which is something the Cybus Cybermen of the new series irritatingly lost - honestly, if the Mondasian Cybermen & the Telosian Cybermen went around stomping & clanking like ghosts with rusty chains attached, it would be far too easy for the Doctor to wipe them out before they even showed up!
- So now the Cybermen threw Ben in a projection room & yet, he's learnt from the Doctor already - never give up, no matter how bleak a situation looks. & his remorse at being forced to kill a Cybermen . . . o, Ben. ::hugs::
(& Polly's at his side already!)
- I was actually only planning to go to the second story tonight, but I'm on the third story & I just can't stop watching! Anyway, Cybermen are - O FUCK! One just collapsed! One just collapsed & the Cybermen are bringing in more & along with spaceships. This is not the best time for One to be taken ill!
- Polly says he just seems worn out. I'm pretty worried about the Doctor, my own self! But I rather liked how Ben insists that he & Polly get back to the others & that there's nothing they can do for him. Be that as it may, I'm worried about One.
- HA. Polly may appear to be making coffee, but that girl's working her ulterior motives in-between adding sugar & cream! To all the Polly haters - SHE'S NOT JUST THE MOTHERFUCKING TEA GIRL, BITCHES! She's got someone on her, Ben & One's side now. Not bad for someone everyone always calls a 'screamer' & 'a tea lady'. IN YOUR FACES, POLLY'S AWESOME.
- Oooo, v. James Bond there Ben, crawling through ventilation shafts like that! & he's got his pocket knife! He's ready, folks.
- Another random note - I LOVE Polly's dress! (or is it a jumper?) Overall, she really looks just fabulous! & her EYES! I WANT HER EYES, OR AT LEAST, HER EYE MAKEUP.
- JERK KNOCKED BEN OUT! ::growls:: But at least Polly's there to help him out a bit. (he looks so sweet whilst unconscious . . . but they both look quite sweet together.)
- Okay, we're in recon mode now - & it is a GREAT recon, seriously. An absolutely cracking recon.
- 'I guess this old body of mine is wearing a bit thin.'
O, One. I . . . I know what will come next . . . but I don't want you to leave!
- Wow, owing a Cyberman your life . . . not a concept I'm so readily familiar with. & saving a Cyberman as well . . . wow.
- Ben is going to cut a Cyberman if they touch Polly. Seriously.
- FUCKERS ARE NOT CONVERTING POLLY, FUCK THAT NOISE. & if they do, Ben & One will rip their heads right off.
- I'm sorry, but the Mondasian Cybermen have faces that are freaking me the fuck out - they look too fucking much like clowns! ::hides::
- WHOA, WHOA, GO BEN! He's caught on that Cybermen can't handle radiation! That would make him the first companion of the Doctor's to realise that Cybermen cannot face radiation without dying.
(incidentally, Polly's the one who kicked some Cybermen arse with nail varnish remover! Those two were damn good against Cybermen!)
- ::is scared for Polly & One::
- Ben is showing his snappy, hit-the-ground-fighting traits again, just like he showed us in The War Machines. ROCK ON, BEN! I just hope he'll be okay after being so close to radioactive materials!
- I love Ben. Sometimes, so far, he's bugged me a bit, but he's awesome & I do love him. He really is a great companion.
- WHOA. Mondas disintegrates, & so do the Cybermen? AWESOME!
- & now Ben's saving Polly & One! But One . . . he doesn't look good at all. He sounds awful & he looks so weak . . .
- Okay, this is . . . not good. He can barely even get Ben & Polly inside the TARDIS! & the TARDIS doesn't even sound like herself!
- & . . . . he's gone. Just like that. He collapsed & One . . . isn't One anymore.
(okay, going to have a bit of sap for a moment here.)
In the mix I made about the nine times the Doctor has regenerated, I used the song Airbag by Radiohead, because, based on the research I'd done on One's regeneration, I felt like it fit his moment of regeneration, particularly the line 'In an interstellar burst/I'm back to save the universe'.
& that's just what happens.
Still . . . I miss One already. ::sad sigh::
Also,
nentari & I once had a bit of discussion on what it was that caused One to regenerate - was it because of the Cybermen, or was it simply because his original body was finally forced to regenerate, or he would have died? After watching, I'm pretty much solid on the idea of his regeneration coming about because his first body was just too old & had been through too much & if he hadn't regenerated when he did, he would have died altogether. Also, there is enough evidence throughout the story that his body was finally showing signs of age & that a regeneration would have to come soon.(I should also say that I am one hundred percent sure that the first body we see the Doctor in is the body he was born with.)
The Power of the Daleks
- Picking up where we left off, One has just regenerated into his second body on the floor of the TARDIS, in front of Ben & Polly, who are lost as fuck as to what's just happened.
- & Patrick Troughton's off to a GREAT start as our second Doctor! I love his post-regeneration scene - v. well played & v. in-keeping with what I've seen the Doctor like after he's regenerated.
- Teehee! Now he's got to examine his new face. & his muscles are a bit tight, alas.
- Now everything's beginning to fall into place for all three of them - Two knows he's the Doctor now, or at least he seems to.
- THE RECORDER!! I LOVE IT! Aww! & he's got his five hundred year diary & knows who Ben is - okay, getting there now, I'd say.
- I love how Polly's the one with full faith in the Doctor; that it is the Doctor & he'll be okay, while Ben's insanely sceptical about everything that's going on around him. It's a good contrast both to each other & to Two's own confusion.
- HE'S PLAYING IT AGAIN. ♥ & Ben appears to be none too happy about it. He's even shouted at Polly. Yeah, he's not in the best of moods. & AWWW, STILL PLAYING IT. I think he's rather good, myself.
- O yeah, this is so the Doctor - plotty, cunning, sneaky & with just the right card up his sleeve. ::grins:: Loving him already, on his first serial! I do hope Ben cuts the 'OMG THIS AIN'T THE DOCTOR!' bollocks already. Preferably very soon.
- I have a really bad feeling about that capsule & the first serial's half over. Meep.
- Two is awesomely sneaky, I have GOT to say that.
- FUCK. Daleks. Well . . . they don't look as deadly as the ones I've seen, but WHAT is that thing on the floor?! & where's the fourth one?
- GAH THAT THING IS DISGUSTING! It looks like a bloody mutated jellyfish!
(I think I've also forgotten that this IS the first time Ben & Polly have ever seen a Dalek. They've met Cybermen, but not Daleks.)
- Christ on a cracker . . . I'm sorry, Cybermen may scare me more, but Daleks can do it pretty well too. & Two saying only one Dalek would be needed to wipe out the whole colony on Vulcan . . . I find it chilling.
- HA! Two's sauciness is sexy! ::blows kiss::
- He's only just regenerated, but he's got the spark & fire of his later time - ♥ Two ♥
- DUDE, WTF, ARE YOU AN IDIOT? WHY ARE TRYING TO REVIVE THE DALEKS? Why don't people just listen to the Doctor when he talks?! Melt the pepperpots down!
- Hee, reference to his meeting Marco Polo! & BEN, CUT THE BITCHING, PLEASE. Polly, however, gets a cupcake for believing him to be the real Doctor.
- 'I never talk nonsense. Well, hardly ever.'
- Wow. Two's actually giving me a bit of a spook in this serial - he's never done that before. It's his mysteriousness, his sense of confusion, the hint of darkness I keep feeling from him. I don't think I've ever known one to be like this - he's always been the Doctor I'd want to be best friends with, to go dancing with, & learn to play recorder from. I know there's more to him than his outward silliness & cheerful disposition, like how there's more to Eight than his giddiness & Romantic tendencies, but unlike with Eight, I've never seen Two's darker side - or maybe I have & don't remember it - prior to now. I've seen his cleverness, his wit, his capabilities, but not so much this . . . darkness I just feel from him in this story.
- EARTH PEOPLE ARE TWITS. WHY, WHY, WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO REVIVE A DAMN DALEK?! Okay, FINE, get your silly selves exterminated, so you don't pollute the rest of the human gene pool by procreating. ::sighs loudly::
- More recorder playing! & I love the discussion between Polly & Ben over the deputy governor's guilt or innocence. I think it's an interesting showcase of their personalities, as well as their emotions & of course, their feelings on the situation at hand.
- O, FUCK ME, WHY ARE EARTH PEOPLE SUCH FOOLS. & Two agrees with me, I see. ::glares:: (& maybe NOW Ben will quit the bitching about him being the Doctor or not.)
- The very last half of the second serial, when the Dalek begins to speak, & Two's desperately trying to explain a Dalek's true nature & both are sort of vocally (or should I say aurally?) overlaid is both haunting & chilling.
. . . Okay, it's just scary. To me, anyway. People, just melt down the Daleks before you get yourselves wiped out!
- Any time a Dalek claims to be 'helping' a human? It's time to bash the thing in the eyestalk with a baseball bat.
- GET YOUR GRUBBY HANDS OFF MY DUCHESS BASTARDS!
- More recorder playing! & when Ben finds out they've kidnapped Polly, he is going to blow a frakkin' fuse.
- O, sure, let's just hand over lots of shiny stuff to the Daleks all willy-nilly, why don't we? ::sighs even louder::
- O.fuck.me. The Daleks have all been reactivated. That colony is SCREWED.
- O no. Two's been discovered. Now HE'S screwed!
- & now people are leaving pseudo-ransom notes about Polly? ::glowers:: NOT ON.
- HALLELUJAH, SOMEONE'S SLOWLY BEGINNING TO AGREE WITH TWO.
- Dalek reproduction is . . . . well . . . . let's pretend I don't know about it, okay?
- 'You think you're very tough, don't you, pushing a girl around. I'd like to see you come up against a real man.'
'Like who?'
'Like Ben for instance!'
♥♥♥♥
Polly-girl, you are the awesome.
- . . . . Did Two just use his recorder to break out of a prison cell?
THAT RECORDER IS A WEAPON IN HIS HANDS! & he is made of some serious win, people.
- For some reason, I find Two telling Polly that Ben can take care of himself to be quite sweet.
- & yes, the ending of the fifth part gave me some massive chills. Dalek voices are v. scary when they layer over each other like that.
- My shippy little heart went all fluttery when Ben & Polly finally got to see each other again. Awww.
- Ben comforting Polly! O . . . ♥♥
- 'Why can't you just take all the plugs out and cut the power?'
'Because I prefer to do it my way!'
Hee! I love Two's stubbornness; it's one of my favourite things about him.
- Something I've not noted yet - the concept of one scientist 'giving' life to the Daleks - it feels very Frankenstein-esque, in my opinion. Not only were the Daleks brought to life by a human, they killed humans as well. Of course, all under very different circumstances. But it did put me in mind of the story.
- Ah, a sneaky escape, as the Doctor prefers. ::smiles:: & more recorder playing!!
- & away they go, off to new places & new faces! Bravo, bravo! ::claps::
Whew! This was the official beginning of the great & mighty Troughton rewatch-athon & alas, the ending point of the Hartnell era for now. (but I've a load of Hartnell-era serials to watch!) The next three serials will be The Highlanders (!!!), The Underwater Menace & The Moonbase, the last two I may supplement with my Lost in Time DVD collection.
Previous recaps
The Dalek Invasion of Earth
The Time Meddler
The War Machines
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Date: 2009-06-30 10:14 pm (UTC)Well, to be honest I use Shannyn Sossamon as Fourteen in my graphics because my flist voted for her, but my actual Fourteen is sort of a "Frankenstein monster" made of three Who actresses - she has the face of Carole Ann Ford, but with the nose of Jackie Lane (in fact, other characters are always going on about how Fourteen looks like Susan, though Fourteen herself also says that in profile she's more like Dodo) and Wendy Padbury's body; the only thing that's truly Shannyn in Fourteen is her dark eyes. Her having Wendy's body is the result of a friend bullying me into making Fourteen do something in the first fic that implies that she's as tiny as Zoe, and possibly with the same shapely backside. :P
And in case you're curious, her voice is also like Carole Ann's - not the voice she had when she played Susan, but the more mature and raspy voice she now has in her 60s and which helps give Fourteen an indefinable age. You'll get Fourteen's exact voice if you hear the companions' commentaries in the Five Doctors DVD - her reaction in the scene where Two and the Brig see the visions of Jamie and Zoe especially almost made me think "OMG Fourteen is in the commentaries!"
But then again, if you look at my icon, one can look at Shannyn and still believe her Fourteen is related to Susan. She would just need the help of CGI to be tiny. :P
Also, in that horrid film, her character's name was Victoria. & her sister kept calling her 'Vic'. & THAT MADE ME CRINGE LIKE WHOA.
Ugh. Victoria Waterfield is not happy!
Is it an ebook? If so, I AM SO GETTING THAT.
It is, yes. You can get it here for free, courtesy of the BBC.
I actually can't remember if I read this, heard this, or wrote it, but I always felt that the Doctor has something of a telepathic link with his TARDIS, & that he always has.
He does indeed, and if what I recall from Power of the Daleks is correct, it was this link that helped the One-to-Two regeneration to go smoothly. I think the way the connection between them manifests varies from regeneration to regeneration, though - one would never have been able to connect with the TARDIS the way Eight did in the TV movie, and vice-versa.
Ah, well . . . I might read it then. & just keep telling myself, 'It's all AU, it's all AU, Fitz is audio now . . . '
Perhaps it's best, if you really want to understand what the deal is with Compassion. It is something that had been building up from a few books earlier, but it all culminates in that one.
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Date: 2009-07-01 09:06 am (UTC)EEEP! I've actually never heard the commentary she did on The Five Doctors, but I will when I get to it in the rewatch-athon! (& I have a feeling that is possibly a thought that will cross my mind when I DO see it. :P) & she does quite look like Susan alongside Susan, I have to say! AWWW. (it reminds me of a few icons I have of Romana & Jenny like that - Jenny, when next to Romana, looks a fair bit like her. & Doctor/Romana, wheeee!)
ALL OF THAT 'VIC' NONSENSE WAS NOT COOL, MAN. (& randomly, her sister was played by Pink. As I like to say, IT'S NOT EVEN SIX DEGREES OF DOCTOR WHO ANYMORE, IN ANYTHING, SERIOUSLY.) But she was quite pretty in it, though her character was completely useless & the movie just SUCKED. Didn't scare me at all, more like BORED me.
& YES, EBOOK! I'm pretty sure I'll have a nice new external by the end of this week, so when I've got it all set up, I shall be snagging that & LOOOADS of other things. ::is a bouncy thing::
& I shall call it Zoe, possibly. :DHe does indeed, and if what I recall from Power of the Daleks is correct, it was this link that helped the One-to-Two regeneration to go smoothly. I think the way the connection between them manifests varies from regeneration to regeneration, though - one would never have been able to connect with the TARDIS the way Eight did in the TV movie, and vice-versa.
O, good, then I'm not crazy! & I do agree it was because of that link that he was able to regenerate so easily the first time - at least, if you look at his other regenerations.
& I just realised - One's regeneration into Two is actually the only time he regenerates INSIDE the TARDIS, isn't it?O, no, Five regenerated into Six inside the TARDIS, so that's out. But what I WAS thinking before I remembered that, was perhaps his regenerations would be easier if he did them all inside the TARDIS, but after Five to Six . . . maybe not. & also, noting how unstable he was after that, even when in the TARDIS, I think, is also more proof toward the theory that the Time Lords destroyed something in his physiology when they forced his third regeneration, at least to me.
& I like the idea of his link with the TARDIS becoming stronger & in a way, more mature, if that's the right word, as he ages & regenerates. It makes a great deal of sense.
Perhaps it's best, if you really want to understand what the deal is with Compassion. It is something that had been building up from a few books earlier, but it all culminates in that one.
Hmm. Yes, I think you're right. I'll remember that if & when I meet her & sort of decide how I feel about her - if I like her enough to want to keep reading about her, or if I think I'll be fine if I meet her just once.
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Date: 2009-07-01 09:54 pm (UTC)She also did the commentary for The Dalek Invasion of Earth, if you also want to check out that one.
& she does quite look like Susan alongside Susan, I have to say! AWWW.
I felt it worked well, icon-wise - and made me happy with Shannyn being voted as the face of Fourteen.
But she was quite pretty in it, though her character was completely useless & the movie just SUCKED. Didn't scare me at all, more like BORED me.
Horror movies that bore you are not good.
You should stick with Hammer classics - I've heard there's one in which Lalla Ward plays a vampire that likes to bite little children. Plus they did a lot of horror movies with Peter Cushing, who played the Doctor in the two Dalek movies.
& I shall call it Zoe, possibly. :D
That's the name of my flash drive! It's silver, tiny and it stores a helluva lot of information, so it's the perfect name! My computer, on the other hand, is called Stebbins after a minor Harry Potter character I used to play in a couple of RPGs.
& I just realised - One's regeneration into Two is actually the only time he regenerates INSIDE the TARDIS, isn't it?O, no, Five regenerated into Six inside the TARDIS, so that's out.
And so did Six into Seven, and Nine into Ten, now that I think about it.
But what I WAS thinking before I remembered that, was perhaps his regenerations would be easier if he did them all inside the TARDIS, but after Five to Six . . . maybe not.
Well, the way Five died made him doubt if a regeneration would have been possible, so that could have helped. The Six-to-Seven regeneration was quite easy compared to the others, if I remember correctly, and only had some disorientation as a secondary effect - and one that was possibly caused by the Rani trying to manipulate the Doctor rather than from the actual regeneration. *shrugs* As for the Nine-to-Ten event, I seem to remember that part of the post-regeneration problems arose from all the energy the Doctor had absorbed. So overall, it could still be possible that being inside the TARDIS would help. (but if that's the case, then I did a boo-boo when I wrote the Thirteen-to-Fourteen regeneration. Oops.)
I'll remember that if & when I meet her & sort of decide how I feel about her - if I like her enough to want to keep reading about her, or if I think I'll be fine if I meet her just once.
Personally, I quite liked her. She was a total bitch and resented the Doctor's attempts to make her nicer and more... well, compassionate, but I think that made her interesting, rather than irritating.
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Date: 2009-07-02 08:12 am (UTC)You should stick with Hammer classics - I've heard there's one in which Lalla Ward plays a vampire that likes to bite little children. Plus they did a lot of horror movies with Peter Cushing, who played the Doctor in the two Dalek movies.
ZOMFG LALLA WARD AS A VAMPIRE?! ::flails & collapses for a few moments:: YES, I SHOULD LOCATE THAT ONE. & I think there was one Pat was in as a . . . a priest, I think. ::giggle:: But I'm not actually sure though. But if he was a vampire or something . . . I'd sill see that. Could be fun! ::tries to look sweet & most likely fails::
That's the name of my flash drive! It's silver, tiny and it stores a helluva lot of information, so it's the perfect name!
AWESOME! My smaller, almost entirely full little silver one is Jo, because it's a petite, slender thing that is quite faithful in holding all of the important things. But alas, her space has run out, so I must upgrade. The one I'm hoping to get is 500GB, black I think, & OMGSHINY. I do hope I'll have it by tomorrow!
ARGH, I CANNOT EVEN BELIEVE I FORGOT NINE'S REGENERATION INSIDE THE TARDIS! I? FAIL, massively. :( But I didn't know about Six-to-Seven, so um, I can give myself a bit of leeway there, I think.
The Six-to-Seven regeneration was quite easy compared to the others, if I remember correctly, and only had some disorientation as a secondary effect - and one that was possibly caused by the Rani trying to manipulate the Doctor rather than from the actual regeneration.
Hmm, interesting - so the Rani had a part in Six's regeneration? If she did, I definitely did not know that. (& now I'll have to find both her serials)
Personally, I quite liked her. She was a total bitch and resented the Doctor's attempts to make her nicer and more... well, compassionate
Hee - what an ironic name she had then. But anyway, if & when I meet her & I most likely will - I'll keep an open mind about her, like I do with all of the Doctors & companions I meet. :D
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Date: 2009-07-02 09:15 pm (UTC)I'm not sure about that one - but I'm positive that there's one with Jon as a sappy-dressing actor-turned-vampire. With a girlfriend with big boobs.
Hmm, interesting - so the Rani had a part in Six's regeneration? If she did, I definitely did not know that. (& now I'll have to find both her serials)
It's been years since I've watched Time and the Rani, but I think she was the one responsible for the TARDIS crash that resulted in the Doctor's regeneration. What I do recall is that her servants invade the TARDIS while regeneration is taking place and take the Doctor away (for what reasons, I'm not sure), and the Rani dresses up as Mel (who is still unconscious aboard the TARDIS) and takes advantage of the Doctor being a bit disorientated to make him do what she wants. Then Seven spends a lot of the story still in his old (and now too-big) coat and looking adorable and silly.
Hee - what an ironic name she had then.
She had indeed. I remember a dialogue between her and a scientist from one of her earlier adventures:
Such a sweet girl she was. *grins* Even though I'm loving Anji, I miss her bitchiness.
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Date: 2009-07-03 10:54 am (UTC)::gigglesnorts:: OKAY, THAT IS ANOTHER ONE I'D TOTALLY WATCH. (& no, not because Three always makes me think of a vampire a little anyway, o no no . . . )
& speaking of horror movies & of Jon Pertwee scaring young ladies - Anytime I look at this particular picture, I always think he's trying to menace a little Wendy Padbury in it. What he's doing & where it's from, I HAVE NO CLUE, but I get giggles from it.
& also, I am easily amused by the fact that its dimensions are 700 x 666, which leads into . . . well, this one, which I could have sworn was bigger, but WHATEVER. PRIEST COLLAR. I APPROVE. Until the whole death scene, of course.
& it is SO Fob!Watched!Two. Jamie's just off milking cows undercover. ::nods::It's been years since I've watched Time and the Rani, but I think she was the one responsible for the TARDIS crash that resulted in the Doctor's regeneration. What I do recall is that her servants invade the TARDIS while regeneration is taking place and take the Doctor away (for what reasons, I'm not sure), and the Rani dresses up as Mel (who is still unconscious aboard the TARDIS) and takes advantage of the Doctor being a bit disorientated to make him do what she wants.
I'd heard that she'd dressed up as Mel for some reason in a serial but I never knew which one it was! & that . . . that sounds like an interesting serial, I would say. But AWW, SEVEN LOOKING CUTE IN SIX'S COAT? :D :D
HEE! Someone pointed out to her how ironic her own name was before I could. :P But I like that, for some reason! It amuses me! :D
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Date: 2009-07-03 10:30 pm (UTC)But he's a good vampire! That should count for something, right?
What he's doing & where it's from, I HAVE NO CLUE, but I get giggles from it.
That's from a children's show he did after Doctor Who (and after The Goodies), called Worzel Gummidge. He played the title character, who was a scarecrow, and from what I've heard he's just as famous for this in the UK as he is for Who. In the Nationwide interview where Pat knocks off his glasses, he was asked if people still called him Doctor, and he replied something like "Yes, when they don't call me Worzel Gummidge."
Also, according to the Five Doctors production notes, Three calling Two a "scarecrow" was a joke about Worzel.
Ooh, sexy priest! (and even though I'm now studying Buddhism, my Catholic upbringing is making me feel guilty of thinking that...)
But AWW, SEVEN LOOKING CUTE IN SIX'S COAT? :D :D
Photographic evidence!
*pinches his cheeks*
Also, here he is with the two Mels:
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Date: 2009-07-03 11:49 pm (UTC)Aww! I was kind of hoping for the evil, seductive sort myself!Of course it does! Good vampires can be quite nice. Like good Cybermen & Daleks!That's from a children's show he did after Doctor Who (and after The Goodies), called Worzel Gummidge. He played the title character, who was a scarecrow, and from what I've heard he's just as famous for this in the UK as he is for Who. In the Nationwide interview where Pat knocks off his glasses, he was asked if people still called him Doctor, and he replied something like "Yes, when they don't call me Worzel Gummidge."
O, thankyou for telling me! I THOUGHT he was a scarecrow, if not a very, very dirty tramp out to scare little girls. :P & I hadn't heard that bit - rewatch time! :D But he looks quite good as a scarecrow, oddly - rather adorable!
& I DO quite know the feeling - I, being more of a pagan myself, still feel just the tiiiinest bit guilty for falling over him AS A PRIEST. But well . . . pretty's pretty! & Pat was ALWAYS pretty. So there. :D
OMG SEVEN IN SIX'S CLOTHES! & HE MAKES THEM LOOK SO CUTE! He DOES, not scary or eyeball-bleaching at all! Which is something I'd never expected from THAT outfit. :P But yes, SUPERCUTE! ::snuggles him::
& o my, two Mels . . . that would be DOUBLE the carrot juice! Maybe it was good Six was Seven by then - if he had two of Mel, one being the Rani or not, he might have just forced himself into a new regeneration! :P
(wow, how many times over is my icon good for this post . . . three, ironically. ::giggles::)
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Date: 2009-07-04 03:18 am (UTC)Maybe he is that in the Hammer movie - but an actual vampire version of Three would have to be nice, definitely.
But he looks quite good as a scarecrow, oddly - rather adorable!
That's because it's Jon, and Jon can make anything look adorable - even evil, Snape-haired Welsh priests.
But well . . . pretty's pretty! & Pat was ALWAYS pretty. So there. :D
Yeah, can't argue there. :)
OMG SEVEN IN SIX'S CLOTHES! & HE MAKES THEM LOOK SO CUTE!
He does! He could have spent his whole existence still wearing his old clothes, for all I cared. :D
Maybe it was good Six was Seven by then - if he had two of Mel, one being the Rani or not, he might have just forced himself into a new regeneration! :P
*snerk* Well, Mel was quite nice, actually - and again, I can't really see the hate. I wish she had spent more time with Six, as they made a really great team, what with Mel being able to make Six treat her with more respect than he did Peri.
wow, how many times over is my icon good for this post . . . three, ironically. ::giggles::
*grins*
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Date: 2009-07-04 10:54 am (UTC)::melts:: YES. & Vampire!Eight.
With Jamie, possibly. But it would be okay, Two would save him! But think of all the neck!porn . . .Some Doctors would work well as vampires, possibly. & I'm okay with that! :DThat's because it's Jon, and Jon can make anything look adorable - even evil, Snape-haired Welsh priests.
YES YES & YES. :D I can see the logic in that!
& now you've seen why I can totally justify a few nightmares just to see that. :P & if I Do have them, that's why you sit up & watch Two serials until the scary things have gone away! :D
He does! He could have spent his whole existence still wearing his old clothes, for all I cared. :D
DUDE, AGREED. & what's more - how many people would expect him to be so sly & dangerous in such a mad getup? WILDCARD RIGHT THERE! :D
*snerk* Well, Mel was quite nice, actually - and again, I can't really see the hate. I wish she had spent more time with Six, as they made a really great team, what with Mel being able to make Six treat her with more respect than he did Peri.
Mel does seem a sweetheart, even though I haven't met her yet - when I first saw her, the words 'dolly rocker' came to mind, actually! She seems like she'd have that sort of personality. :D (but carrot juice is icky! I'm sorry Mel, but it IS! :P)
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Date: 2009-07-04 11:51 am (UTC)Pal McGann has recently appeared in an awful movie called lesbian Vampire Killers playing... a priest!
& if I Do have them, that's why you sit up & watch Two serials until the scary things have gone away! :D
A sound solution.
how many people would expect him to be so sly & dangerous in such a mad getup?
Not that many people would normally think that of him, until his deviousness exploded on their faces!
when I first saw her, the words 'dolly rocker' came to mind, actually! She seems like she'd have that sort of personality. :D
Hmm, I'm not sure. She's a computer programmer from the '80s with a fitness obsession and a photographic memory - and the sharpest scream of any Who girl ever. I'm sure she'd make a terrific team with Polly, but I doubt they'd share the same style.
but carrot juice is icky! I'm sorry Mel, but it IS! :P
I quite like it - but only if it's mixed with oranje juice, the way it's sold over here, as the two flavours combine wonderfully.
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Date: 2009-07-05 08:17 am (UTC)& I heard about that! & I was ALMOST tempted to, well . . . get it . . . but no, I can't sit through such an awful movie even for him. But I saw him in the trailer, so I'll be content with that. :D He had a funny mustache!
Two serials are the answer to most things, I think. Usually. ::nods::
She's a computer programmer from the '80s with a fitness obsession and a photographic memory - and the sharpest scream of any Who girl ever. I'm sure she'd make a terrific team with Polly, but I doubt they'd share the same style.
Because I'm so crazy spoilerphobic, I didn't even know any of that about Mel, save for her carrot juice fondness & her screams - but she sounds like she would have been a great asset in the TARDIS! & I will say, that the first time I saw a picture of her, I hadn't met Polly yet, so my thinking that of her was sort of let free to grow until I met Polly properly. Yes, they probably wouldn't share the same style, but they might be good friends. :D
I quite like it - but only if it's mixed with oranje juice, the way it's sold over here, as the two flavours combine wonderfully.
Aww, I'm sorry a second time. Hmm. I've never heard of that mix before, but I'll take your word for it! I myself like it if it's mixed in tomato juice, but they also mix celery & other veggie juices in it here, so you don't taste the carrot so much. But now I suddenly want some tomato juice. :P
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Date: 2009-07-05 08:37 am (UTC)I won't even tell you what this one makes me think of. :P
But I saw him in the trailer, so I'll be content with that. :D He had a funny mustache!
I've only seen photos of it so far. The moustache cracks me up.
but she sounds like she would have been a great asset in the TARDIS!
She would have, yes. My recent purchase of the Trial of a Time Lord box set has shown me once again how wonderfully she would have worked, had Six remained in the show for a while longer. Sadly, the sacking of Colin Baker had removed the chance of her having a proper introduction story (her Trial adventure is set in the Doctor's future, which is watched during the trial as evidence, and shows them after they had been travelling together for some time), something that only recently with Big Finish was possible to fix. A lot of people dislike her because of the absense of said proper introduction onscreen, though many also object to the sharpness of her scream. However, there's a large group who at the time objected to her as a companion because Bonnie Langford was already a household name at the time, and the type of characters she was known to play made people dislike the thought of her aboard the TARDIS - kinda like if they had announced Larry Linville as a companion after he played Frank Burns in M*A*S*H, if we are to make a comparison.
Yes, they probably wouldn't share the same style, but they might be good friends. :D
She'd probably get along well with Zoe as well - after all, Mel has a photographic memory, and Zoe would respect that.
I've never heard of that mix before, but I'll take your word for it!
It's very popular over here nowadays, both in juice or as a soft drink. Some varieties also add lemon to it.
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Date: 2009-07-06 10:49 am (UTC)::giggles evilly:: I have a feeling I could guess . . .
OMG THE MUSTACHE. ::gigglesnorts:: & yet, he still looks oddly adorable with it, I think. & I THINK I'D ENJOY SEEING HIM AS A PRIEST. (srsly, I have NO idea what brought on this pervy priest fancying! Really!)
She would have, yes. My recent purchase of the Trial of a Time Lord box set has shown me once again how wonderfully she would have worked, had Six remained in the show for a while longer. Sadly, the sacking of Colin Baker had removed the chance of her having a proper introduction story (her Trial adventure is set in the Doctor's future, which is watched during the trial as evidence, and shows them after they had been travelling together for some time), something that only recently with Big Finish was possible to fix. A lot of people dislike her because of the absense of said proper introduction onscreen, though many also object to the sharpness of her scream. However, there's a large group who at the time objected to her as a companion because Bonnie Langford was already a household name at the time, and the type of characters she was known to play made people dislike the thought of her aboard the TARDIS
. . . . my brains. ::brains fall out of ears::
Um, anyway, I MEAN, I've only known her as really being a companion of Seven's & being introduced after Peri's death, & being with Seven when they met Ace, but beyond that, I don't really know much about her, aside from what she's usually remembered for.
I think I'll just have to end up WATCHING Trial of A Time Lord if I ever want to understand anything about it!
(& I'm now having a bit of a laugh over the idea of Frank Burns in the TARDIS - well, actually, I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry at such a thought. :P Margaret would be awesome in the TARDIS I think!)
She'd probably get along well with Zoe as well - after all, Mel has a photographic memory, and Zoe would respect that.
O yes! & of course, they both could probably blow up a few computer banks between the two of them, which would be EPIC, MAN. :D Imagine that!
& carrot juice with a bit of lemon sounds kind of nice! But I think I'd maybe want a bit of celery juice in mine too - I like the taste of celery, but not so much the veggie itself. ^_^
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Date: 2009-07-06 11:11 am (UTC)It's a bit disconcerting, I have to say. :P
I think I'll just have to end up WATCHING Trial of A Time Lord if I ever want to understand anything about it!
It's actually quite simple, once you get round to it: the Doctor is put on trial, and the serials shown throughout that season are viewed on a screen by the people in the courtroom (the Doctor, who is defending himself, the Valeyard, who speaks for the prosecution, the Inquisitor, who is the judge, and the people in the jury - overall, an apparently much fairer trial than the one he had in The War Games). The images are projected on the screen through the Matrix, obviously. Anyway, the first piece of evidence is The Mysterious Planet, set in the past, and which introduces us to Glitz. Afterwards, we get the second piece of evidence in the form of Mindwarp, which shows us what had been happening to the Doctor when the Time Lords caught him and sent him to the trial, thus resulting in Peri's death. Both of these adventures are shows as evidence to the prosecution, but the third one, Terror of the Vervoids, is selected by the DOctor (after he was given the chance to search the Matrix) as evidence working on his defence; it takes place in his own future, after he had already met Mel.
And finally, comes the fourth and final serial in the Trial arch, The Ultimate Foe. This one is not part of the evidence, but what happens in the trial after it's discovered that the Matrix was indeed tampered with (as it had been hinted in the previous serials, in which certain events had been clearly censored, while others were blanantly changed - like Peri's fate, if you're to believe the cop-out). The Master, knowing that this was a trick of the Valeyard, not only invaded the Matrix to show that tampering it was indeed possible, but he also attracted Glitz and Mel to the courtroom to serve as witnesses - his motivation being that he wants to be the one to destroy the Doctor, and therefore doesnt want the Valeyard to have the credit of doing it (though he wouldn't object it if they offed each other). In the end, Six leaves with Mel with the purpose of sending her back to her own time to meet the Six she's travelling with, while he goes to travel alone until the time he meets the Mel from his own personal timeline for the first time. Unfortunately, since the BBC fired Colin Baker right after Trial, we never get to see Mel's first encounter with Six, and so the enxt story jumps straight to the Six-to-Seven regeneration, after Mel has been travelling with the Doctor for a long time.
Margaret would be awesome in the TARDIS I think!
Oh, I think so too. If it wasn't for the plans I already had regarding companions, I would have made her leave aboard the TARDIS at the end of my crossover story.
O yes! & of course, they both could probably blow up a few computer banks between the two of them, which would be EPIC, MAN. :D Imagine that!
Hee!
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Date: 2009-07-07 09:03 am (UTC)Okay, after having properly READ all of that, slowly & carefully, I think I could say I understand the story a bit better. :D But I STILL say it might be one you've got to see to fully get it all down. But at least I get it a little better now.
The Master, knowing that this was a trick of the Valeyard, not only invaded the Matrix to show that tampering it was indeed possible, but he also attracted Glitz and Mel to the courtroom to serve as witnesses - his motivation being that he wants to be the one to destroy the Doctor, and therefore doesnt want the Valeyard to have the credit of doing it (though he wouldn't object it if they offed each other).
If I may be randomly off-topic for a moment - DOCTOR/MASTER YAY. :D Canon since . . . 1973. Yes. ::grins:: (which of course, was the whole reason I'd ever wanted to see it, but that's changed now)
Unfortunately, since the BBC fired Colin Baker right after Trial, we never get to see Mel's first encounter with Six, and so the enxt story jumps straight to the Six-to-Seven regeneration, after Mel has been travelling with the Doctor for a long time.
I'm sorry if my questions are annoying the hell out of you (just say so & I'll just look everything up myself!), but I'm curious - this means The Mark of the Rani occurs right after Trial of A Time Lord & is, in essence, Seven's first serial? (as I mentioned, I do know he travelled with Mel first, then they met Ace, then Mel left with Glitz in the hope that she could reform him & Ace comes onboard.)
'Cause if it is Seven's first serial . . . I CAN GET IT OMFG. :D (hee, Seven isn't even one of my huge favourites, but I love him just the same & I'd LOVE to have his first serial - I've got his last one, so it would kind of even out. :P)
Oh, I think so too. If it wasn't for the plans I already had regarding companions, I would have made her leave aboard the TARDIS at the end of my crossover story.
Aww! But I shall trust in you, promise. :D & I was thinking about this earlier today & would you say Margaret would be a bit like a Donna-sort of companion for the Doctor? Which, as I love Donna, would be totally awesome, even if Margaret's not ginger. :P May I ask if Margaret at least SEES the inside of the TARDIS? I'd LOVE to see her 'it's bigger on the inside!' reaction. ^_^
& I LOVE the idea of Mel & Zoe figuring out how to blow up a few computer banks together - one by way of reprogramming, the other by TALKING to it. It is TOO AWESOME for words.
(hee - in my dream lineup of companions, Zoe's totally a part of it, along with Jamie, Ace & Leela. They'd totally be fine in their own TARDIS! But Susan could always come along, as she knows how to fly it maybe a bit better. :D)
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Date: 2009-07-07 09:21 am (UTC)Oh, I know what you mean. I loved to say outrageous things at my best friend from high school, because she'd pull an amazing outraged!Victoria-like face. It was sort of my way of getting even because she got to meet Alan Rickman (who made her crawl like a snake and gave her presents) and I didn't. :P
If I may be randomly off-topic for a moment - DOCTOR/MASTER YAY. :D Canon since . . . 1973.
Actually, the Master's first official appearance dates from 1971, while his unofficial appearance (of which I spoke of in one of my other comments) is from 1969 - if you believe that's him, that is.
I'm sorry if my questions are annoying the hell out of you (just say so & I'll just look everything up myself!), but I'm curious - this means The Mark of the Rani occurs right after Trial of A Time Lord & is, in essence, Seven's first serial?
No, not Mark of the Rani - that's her first appearance, and takes place halfway through Six's arch. However, Time and the Rani, her other atory, is indeed the serial that follows Trial of a Time Lord and is Seven's first story. Whatever happened between Trial and Time and the Rani, like Six meeting Mel and all the adventures they had together, is either open for fan speculation or available in Big Finish audios (Six's adventures with Evelyn Smythe also take place between Trial and Six meeting Mel).
& I was thinking about this earlier today & would you say Margaret would be a bit like a Donna-sort of companion for the Doctor?
Oh, definitely. She would scream at him/her and be all bossy and kick him/her on the head when (s)he needed it.
May I ask if Margaret at least SEES the inside of the TARDIS? I'd LOVE to see her 'it's bigger on the inside!' reaction. ^_^
Sadly, Margaret's role in The Rutan Relics is a bit small, and she's there mostly to kick Frank when he gets too insufferable. It is implied that she has seen the inside of the TARDIS when Nine visited the 4077th, though (she and Radar being the only people in the camp who know the truth about the Doctor, which just goes to show how clever she is).
(hee - in my dream lineup of companions, Zoe's totally a part of it, along with Jamie, Ace & Leela. They'd totally be fine in their own TARDIS! But Susan could always come along, as she knows how to fly it maybe a bit better. :D)
You need a Donna there. You can never go wrong with Donna Noble around. :)
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Date: 2009-07-08 09:39 am (UTC)That gets both an 'O my!' & a 'HEEHEE!' from me. :D
Actually, the Master's first official appearance dates from 1971, while his unofficial appearance (of which I spoke of in one of my other comments) is from 1969 - if you believe that's him, that is.
O, good! I, um, wasn't totally sure but I decided to chance it. (uh, maybe bomb-defusing isn't in my immediate future.) I've still not really decided WHERE the War Chief falls in for myself, really - I suppose I'll wait til I meet him to see. (but I don't discount him as a possible source of inspiration for the Master, like I don't completely discount the Robomen as possible inspiration for the Cybermen)
No, not Mark of the Rani - that's her first appearance, and takes place halfway through Six's arch. However, Time and the Rani, her other atory, is indeed the serial that follows Trial of a Time Lord and is Seven's first story.
AH, OKAY! Yes, I think I could still get it if I wanted to. But argh, sorry for the mixup! But I KNEW it was one of them. :)
Sadly, Margaret's role in The Rutan Relics is a bit small, and she's there mostly to kick Frank when he gets too insufferable. It is implied that she has seen the inside of the TARDIS when Nine visited the 4077th, though (she and Radar being the only people in the camp who know the truth about the Doctor, which just goes to show how clever she is).
DUDE, TEN SHOULD HAVE HAD MARGARET IN THE TARDIS DURING SERIES THREE & FOUR. (even though I heart Donna, of course!) but I think Margaret would have been quite good for him post-Rose. :D (not that Martha wasn't, but um, am I making sense? I hope so!)
Aww! But still, I'll be content with her meeting the Doctor anyhow. ^-^
& YES, A DONNA SHOULD BE THERE. Too many young people in the TARDIS could get a bit crazy, after all - Donna would keep everyone in line! :D
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Date: 2009-07-08 10:00 am (UTC)She managed to do a summer course for teens at RADA, and her teacher was none other than Rickman - who apparently likes to make his students pretend they're trees and snakes. :P At the end of the course, he gave her a book of Shakespeare's sonnets, in which he wrote "Shall I or shan't I? Alan Rickman." - which I held in my hands, making me one degree closer to the man. :D
I've still not really decided WHERE the War Chief falls in for myself, really - I suppose I'll wait til I meet him to see.
I think it's better. I mean, I've watched both The War Games and Terror of the Autons (Delgado!Master's first appearance) several times, and I still haven't reached a definite personal conclusion.
But argh, sorry for the mixup! But I KNEW it was one of them. :)
It's an understandable confusion, since both titles are so similar - I had to check an episode guide to see if it was the right one myself, since I didn't want you to get the wrong one by accident.
but I think Margaret would have been quite good for him post-Rose. :D (not that Martha wasn't, but um, am I making sense? I hope so!)
I think Martha's problem is that he should have had Margaret first - she'd kick his ass every time he'd go "Woe is me, I miss mah Rose!" and he'd then be less likely to be such a jerk with the whole Rose business while he was with Martha.
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Date: 2009-07-08 10:52 am (UTC)O. MY. GIDDY. AUNT! WHAT a lucky lassie! When I studied theatre, a girl several years ahead of me (who I had a terrible crush on, incidentally) had done something similar & I was just like ZOMG!!! when a friend of mine who was in her class mentioned that to me. I don't know if she met anyone of such renown as your friend did, but still - studying for a summer IN ENGLAND, AT RADA. I was slightly envious & all agog over that news, I will say! :D
I've watched both The War Games and Terror of the Autons (Delgado!Master's first appearance) several times, and I still haven't reached a definite personal conclusion.
Eeep. Yes, probably better to wait & see. Which is something I try to remember & do now when it comes to Classic!Who now, instead of just reading about it.
It's an understandable confusion, since both titles are so similar - I had to check an episode guide to see if it was the right one myself, since I didn't want you to get the wrong one by accident.
O! I DO wish they hadn't given her only two stories such similar titles! She sounds awesome enough for two different titles, I think.
I think Martha's problem is that he should have had Margaret first - she'd kick his ass every time he'd go "Woe is me, I miss mah Rose!" and he'd then be less likely to be such a jerk with the whole Rose business while he was with Martha.
EXACTLY! (& I think that merits the ONLY Two icon I haven't used yet in a conversation!)
& since I feel like a curious miss, what do you think Ten's FORMER regenerations would have said to him over his being like that & being so mean to poor Martha? I think One would have knocked him on the head with his walking stick & reminded him about Susan. To me, SUSAN'S the bigger loss - she was family! Rose was a romantic relationship. TOTALLY different stakes there.
(random Martha sidebar: I really like Martha. But I HATE, HATE, HATE how she was written - I felt like the writers just wanted to define her character through how she felt about Ten & THAT'S what pissed me off so much about series three & why I didn't like her at first. I felt her potential was just wasted up until the end of series three. THEN we were shown how brave & awesome she truly could be. & in Torchwood, she's AMAZING. She should have been asked to stay, I think. But she's good at UNIT too - & not the first companion to be at UNIT after a travel with the Doctor!)
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Date: 2009-07-08 11:11 am (UTC)She was. I'm terribly jealous!
& since I feel like a curious miss, what do you think Ten's FORMER regenerations would have said to him over his being like that & being so mean to poor Martha?
I doubt any of them would have been pleased. In the Fourteenverse Three talked to Jo about Jamie a lot, but I doubt he was insufferable about it - and he definitely did not annoy Sarah Jane with how much he missed Jo, either. I can also see Five rolling his eyes, and Seven leaving the room for a moment after quietly telling Ace to do something to the skinny guy with the pinstripe suit. :P
As for Two, I'd like to link you to a beautiful fic called A Moment's Grace, in which Martha meets Two during The Year That Never Was.
To me, SUSAN'S the bigger loss - she was family! Rose was a romantic relationship. TOTALLY different stakes there.
That comic book I mentioned recently, The Forgotten, has a showdown in the final issue in which Verity (i.e., the human manifestation of the TARDIS takes the form of several former companions). After the threat was over, Ten asks her to assume the shape of one specific companion he wants to see more than anyone else - and when I read his request I started to groan, because if the comic had been written by RTD, it would have been Rose. Imagine my relief when I turned the page and Verity had become Susan. :)
I really like Martha. But I HATE, HATE, HATE how she was written - I felt like the writers just wanted to define her character through how she felt about Ten
I know what you mean - there's so many levels of amazing in Martha, but the writers focused on nothing else besides her crush. Ugh.
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Date: 2009-07-08 12:02 pm (UTC)All agreed, particularly the last one. :P That is, if Seven didn't 'accidentally' trip Ten with his umbrella, or spill a bit of tea on him. ::slightly evil smile:: I feel like Six would have just sighed heavily, then just interrupted Ten in the middle of some Rose-coloured lament to talk about something else for just a FEW minutes. Eight might be a bit sympathetic for a bit, but finally, he'd probably just point out that all of him have experienced some sort of traumatic loss at some point & that Rose really isn't that special a case. But he'd be a gentleman about it! :D
& thankyou for the fic! ::hops off to read it:: Two & Martha meeting up is a thought that hadn't crossed my mind, I think.
That comic book I mentioned recently, The Forgotten, has a showdown in the final issue in which Verity (i.e., the human manifestation of the TARDIS takes the form of several former companions). After the threat was over, Ten asks her to assume the shape of one specific companion he wants to see more than anyone else - and when I read his request I started to groan, because if the comic had been written by RTD, it would have been Rose. Imagine my relief when I turned the page and Verity had become Susan. :)
O! That must have been wonderful, both for Ten & for YOU reading it! I wouldn't mind Ten & Susan meeting up again, because she IS his granddaughter, but I think that's where Ten & I part. I hope Eleven gets to meet some former companions! (& some of his older, even scarier enemies. :D)
Poor Susan - is she EVER mentioned in the new series? If not - that makes me mad. How 'convenient' of RTD to just ignore Susan having ever existed. Susan SHOULD be mentioned in the new series, I think - she WAS a major part of the Doctor's life - she even shaped his choice of companions, to a certain extent.
I know what you mean - there's so many levels of amazing in Martha, but the writers focused on nothing else besides her crush. Ugh.
I KNOW! THAT'S what made me hate her when I first met her - her crush was so obvious a BLIND person could see it, seriously. Then I realised that it wasn't so much HER I hated, but the way she was WRITTEN - as some soppy little girl crushing on the ever-so-perfect-Doctor who just ignores her like a complete jerk BECAUSE SHE ISN'T ROSE, OMG. Martha's introductory episode I thought set her up very nicely & made her way different from Rose - whereas Rose hadn't finished school & lived with her mother in a council estate, Martha was working to be a doctor, she had her own place & her own life. I thought she would have been great. But her second episode in (which I like, but not too much some of her actions in it - or Ten's, for that matter), all of that was gone & replaced by 'O, I fancy you & we're sharing a bed!'
But don't even get me started on Ten's saying WHEN SHE'S TRYING TO HELP HIM OUT, 'Rose would know what to do.' I really wanted to throw him off the bed for being so rude to her. I don't blame her annoyance with him AT all there.
Just . . . Ten needed some serious bitchslapping A LOT in series three & well . . . okay, almost always. Pretty, yes, but not nearly as fascinating as his predecessors, I would say now.
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Date: 2009-07-08 01:30 pm (UTC)The umbrella would have been very much in-character. And then, when Ten looked at him surprised, Seven would raise his hat to him in form of greeting with the most angelic face he could muster. >:D
I feel like Six would have just sighed heavily, then just interrupted Ten in the middle of some Rose-coloured lament to talk about something else for just a FEW minutes.
Himself, most likely. *grins* Though if he was really annoyed with the conversation, he'd probably say something like, "What about Peri, Doctor? You do remember her, don't you?"
Eight might be a bit sympathetic for a bit, but finally, he'd probably just point out that all of him have experienced some sort of traumatic loss at some point & that Rose really isn't that special a case. But he'd be a gentleman about it! :D
Or he'd look at Ten while he was talking and mutter "Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam..." to himself until Ten got the hint and shut up. :P
Poor Susan - is she EVER mentioned in the new series? If not - that makes me mad. How 'convenient' of RTD to just ignore Susan having ever existed.
He mentioned having been a father to Rose at some point (making her look at him with a "WTF?" face) and tells Donna that he lost his family in The Doctor's Daughter, but he is yet to mention Susan by herself. *shakes head* Let's hope Moffatt corrects this.
But don't even get me started on Ten's saying WHEN SHE'S TRYING TO HELP HIM OUT, 'Rose would know what to do.' I really wanted to throw him off the bed for being so rude to her. I don't blame her annoyance with him AT all there.
I would have kicked him out. Heck, ROSE would have kicked him out.
Pretty, yes, but not nearly as fascinating as his predecessors, I would say now.
Just because an actor has a cute accent in real life doesn't make his character likeable in my books. That said, Tennant at times annoys me as much as Ten - the only exception being his story about how he met Wendy Padbury, which he narrates in the hidden commentaries from The Five Doctors.
Which reminds me - I've recently watched a YouTube video in which Padders describes how she was the agent who discovered Matt Smith, and the way she seems to fangirl him (and how much she SQUEED about him being cast as Eleven) gives me high hopes about the boy. He's got the Zoe Heriot Seal of Approval TM. :D
On the other hand, David Tennant freaked her out when he was a young unknown, which I think says it all.
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Date: 2009-07-08 02:29 pm (UTC)O YES! ::giggles:: He DOES do that to a cheetah person in Survival after all! :D & I can totally see Ten's face after being tripped by, well . . . himself! & O, IT MAKES ME LAUGH. XD
Himself, most likely. *grins* Though if he was really annoyed with the conversation, he'd probably say something like, "What about Peri, Doctor? You do remember her, don't you?"
Now this would be an instant I'd be PLEASED to hear Six talk about himself for a solid ten minutes - FAR more interesting than another 'I MISS MY ROOOOOSE OMG!' cryfest from Ten. & YES! He SHOULD bring up Peri! Let's see what Ten says to THAT.
Or he'd look at Ten while he was talking and mutter "Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam..." to himself until Ten got the hint and shut up. :P
Or possibly ask if he even remembers his epic affair with Fitz to throw Ten off-balance entirely.
He mentioned having been a father to Rose at some point (making her look at him with a "WTF?" face) and tells Donna that he lost his family in The Doctor's Daughter, but he is yet to mention Susan by herself. *shakes head* Let's hope Moffatt corrects this.
I remember the former very well, but not the latter - I am so done with Ten I can barely sit through any of his stories. But I would LOVE IT if Eleven mentioned Susan. Or you know - ANYONE THAT ISN'T ROSE.
I would have kicked him out. Heck, ROSE would have kicked him out.
SERIOUSLY! I mean, it doesn't matter that they weren't actually, well . . . doing anything in the bed, but you don't say something like that & just ignore what someone just said to you! I mean, how bloody tasteless is THAT?I'm sure Rose would have been like, 'Doctor, that's kind of rude.'
Just because an actor has a cute accent in real life doesn't make his character likeable in my books.
YES, THANKYOU. I mean, if someone's pretty or has a lovely voice, it can't fully compensate in other areas! There are a few actresses I can think of who are pretty, but they're genuinely horrible at acting & no matter what their character is, I just end up disliking them. Though I've not found David annoying myself - his fangirls on the other hand, YES. His fangirls can be downright scary at times. I do like David & I DEFINITELY wish I could be as thin & as pretty as he is but in a girlish way, & I'll miss him kind of, but meh. His Doctor does NOTHING for me AT ALL anymore. Pretty, yes, but as the Doctor? It's not the same anymore. I just feel that after seeing so much of the original series & DISCUSSING it with you, that David's Doctor had no real substance in the end. He was just pretty & well - the Doctor. The only exception being Time Crash - I think he was great with Peter in it.
(& he has a hidden commentary on The Five Doctors? & he met Wendy? Ooo, I should find this - I found two cute Easter eggs on my Tomb of the Cybermen DVD!)
Which reminds me - I've recently watched a YouTube video in which Padders describes how she was the agent who discovered Matt Smith, and the way she seems to fangirl him (and how much she SQUEED about him being cast as Eleven) gives me high hopes about the boy. He's got the Zoe Heriot Seal of Approval TM. :D
OMFG ARE YOU SERIOUS?! SHE discovered him?! OMG! I was already warming to Matt Smith as Eleven (well, you know how I'm looking forward to Ten being GONE, anyway!) but I had NO idea Wendy was the one who found him in the first place! That is SO awesome, definitely. :D
On the other hand, David Tennant freaked her out when he was a young unknown, which I think says it all.
Hmm, did she say why, just out of curiosity?
(When I started watching the new series, David was the ONLY Doctor I knew & I just wanted to skip ahead & see his stuff, but the friend of mine who told me to see it wouldn't let me. :D I'm glad she didn't!)
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Date: 2009-07-08 03:19 pm (UTC)Brilliant, that would have been.
Now this would be an instant I'd be PLEASED to hear Six talk about himself for a solid ten minutes
I know Peri would disagree with me on this, but I actually like Six's narsissistic self-adoration. Yet another reason why the song for Babelcolour's tribute to Six is so perfect: the lyrics "I look handsome, I look smart, I am a walking work of art."
Or possibly ask if he even remembers his epic affair with Fitz to throw Ten off-balance entirely.
That would shut him up, defnitiely.
Or maybe the mention of three little words: Charlotte Elspeth Pollard.
But I would LOVE IT if Eleven mentioned Susan. Or you know - ANYONE THAT ISN'T ROSE.
I should point out that, since Eleven will be a Steven Moffat creation, he'll probably mention River instead.
Or maybe Jane from Coupling.Another bit of trivia: I've realized some time ago that I must have "borrowed" some traits from Francesca Annis' portrayal of Tuppence Beresford in the 1983 TV adaptation of Agatha Christie's Partners in Crime when I created Fourteen (it has to be Annis' take on Tuppence, mind - there's no trace of Fourteen in any other portrayal of the character; book!Tuppence, however, is also very Fourteenish). Anyway, if you have this in mind it's funny to think that Ralph Fiennes used to be married to Alex Kingston (River) but left her for Francesca Annis. Fourteen > River?
Though I've not found David annoying myself - his fangirls on the other hand, YES. His fangirls can be downright scary at times.
David himself annoys me at times. One day, a reporter asked him what actor he would cast as Eleven, and he said (very seriously, I should add) "Billie Piper." GROAN!
& he has a hidden commentary on The Five Doctors?
It's the Five Doctors Easter Egg - a commentary by Tennant and some writers from the new series.
I found two cute Easter eggs on my Tomb of the Cybermen DVD!
There's a third one, actually. I've recently found a list of the existing Who Easter Eggs on a website with small audio files from Old School episodes - I can link you to them if you want.
OMFG ARE YOU SERIOUS?! SHE discovered him?! OMG!
The vid is here, if you want to listen to it.
Hmm, did she say why, just out of curiosity?
It wasn't her - it was Tennant in the Easter Egg commentary. Apparently when he phoned her agency while trying to find someone to represent her, he had a squeefest when he realized ZOE was on the other side of the phone. She must have been rather freaked out by his reaction, because he never heard from them again.
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