(they say you are something in those formative years)

[riverdresses]

Well, everyone, here we are in the final official original three serials of the great & mighty Troughton rewatch-athon! Next week will be entirely devoted to the final serial of Two, Jamie & Zoe's - The War Games. I'll have it up on early Saturday morning, as usual, but I'll hopefully watching two serials a day, recapping each one in its own separate segment. (it's a ten-episode serial & it . . . it's not very pleasant. I mean, it has its moments, but if you know anything about Two's era, you'll know why I'm so uncomfortable with it.) After that, the rewatch-athon will be in its final stages, which will look something like this:

Next week: The War Games, picspam & mix postings.

Week after: Spearhead From Space, The Curse of Peladon & The Three Doctors. (the first two are sort of bonus stories; the first bridging the gap between Two & Three's eras, the second one starring Patrick's son David as King Peladon. & of course, The Three Doctors needs no explanation!)

Week after: The Five Doctors, The Two Doctors & Jamie's Companion Chronicle Helicon Prime.

Final week: Midnight & wrap-up party.

Note: I know most of you know that I've broken almost all ties with the new series (until Eleven arrives, anyway), but I'm including Midnight because it features David Troughton as one of the main characters - by including it, I'm coming full circle, as I see it. It's like this: if it hadn't been for the new series, I never would have came to the classic series & never would have found a) half of you lot & b) so many of my favourite serials & my three favourite Doctors. So, while I'd rather not sit through Midnight again, for David Troughton, I shall do it with pleasure.

I'll reiterate most of this next week with my recap of The War Games, but due to the nature of that story . . . coherence will be a bit of a fluke, if I can even pull it off by the end.

Anyway, that is next week, & it will all come in time, won't it? For now, we've three fabulous serials for this week, beginning with The Krotons, which was the second serial I ripped into after I watched The Dominators when I got them.

Also, interestingly enough, this serial combines everything I've been doing in the rewatch - serials, audios & .avi! If I had a recon we'd be all fitted out, wouldn't we? ::laughs::

The Krotons

- O hooray! This is a serial written by Robert Holmes! He did so many of my favourite Four era serials, so I tend to be quite fond of his work.

- Man, EVERY TIME they mention the Krotons, I'm going to think of Kroton the Cyberman. Who is WAY more awesome than these Krotons, but that's for another time.

- Awww, Two's using his umbrella as a parasol of sorts! How cute!

- HELLO ZOE HERIOT & YOUR ABSOLUTELY HOT OUTFIT! ::waves excitedly:: LOVE the scarf, skirt & boots! & her HAIR!

- Random fashion note: Jamie's little kerchief is UTTERLY adorable! It looks like a school tie, almost.

- The chick who's about to go into the machine has a sort of Brigitte Bardot-esque hairstyle, I think. Just not as long & rumply.

- 'We are friends!'

(everybody in the room levels their swords on Two)

'It's alright, don't be afraid!'

Jamie (whispering to Zoe): 'Trouble.'

::gigglesnorts:: Two, why so cute?

- 'Aye, you wouldn't be so brave without these guards around you.'

- JAMIE! DON'T CHALLENGE ALIENS TO FIGHTS! Wait, on the other hand . . . you can take care of yourself . . . but still!

- Aww, Two being worried for Jamie & trying to stop him = ♥♥♥

- & Jamie's going into this fight bare-handed! BB IS HARDCORE, BITCHES.

- FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT! ::swoons::

- & HE WINS! ::tackleglomps Jamie:: He won & the other fellow didn't last five minutes! IN YOUR FACES!

- Blocking vents with rocks - Two's a fast thinker, isn't he! & he catches the nice girl as well! But his favourite umbrella was destroyed in the process. Aww.

- Two's practising a bit of hypnosis with his pocket watch! & has no jacket on - oo, pretty!

- Hmm. The guy interrogating the poor custodian of the learning hall looks a little like Mark Strickson, I think. Mmm, pretty.

- Mm. Two looks quite lovely when thinking. His thinky face is sexy! (well, ALL of Two's faces are sexy. Even when he's asleep.)

- Random fashion note two: Does anyone have an idea of what material Zoe's jacket & skirt are made out of? I'd say maybe something in PVC, but it doesn't look quite as shiny as PVC does. Maybe a leather of some sort?

- O dear . . . the Krotons are watching Two. & he's being awesome & smart & all full of win. For once, I think someone needs to get Two to SHUT UP. That is, if we don't want HIM walking into that machine next! ::worries::

- Aww, Jamie clinging to Zoe! But TWO! ::flails:: The poor thing looks so scared!

- ARGH, HAVING FLASHBACKS TO The Omen JESUS CHRIST.

- EEEK! THEY JUST KILLED ANOTHER POOR PERSON! Right in front of everyone!

- Also, Vana's got HUGE Brigitte-esque eyelashes as well.

- Aww, I love how Jamie's all, 'Watch him, Zoe. You know what he's like.' ::grins::

- O yes, Doctor. Leave the perfect little brainchild in a room full of computers & knowledge. ::looks a bit sad::

- But as it is, Zoe seems to like playing with the computers!

- Zoe's face is kind of creeping me out - she looks like someone drugged her.

- AWW, ZOE'S LITTLE SMUG FACE! ::GIGGLES::

'Yes, well, Zoe is something of a genius . . . of course it can be very irritating at times.'

& SHE STILL LOOKS ALL CUTE & SMUG. AWWWWWWW. ::hugs Zoe::

- 'Great jumping gobstoppers, what's that?'

&TWO;

- Zoe's been picked by the Krotons . . . & Two's yelling at her! Two, don't be mean to the poor girl! But aww, how cute are they when he;s all fussy with her & she has to help him!

- 'Well of course it can - the Doctor's almost as smart as I am.'

LOLZ. O, Zoe. Zoe, Zoe, Zoe.

- ::dies:: TWO'S FACE WHEN HE ACES THE TEST. Due to a vid I quite adore, I can NEVER, EVER look at his face at that moment without thinking rather . . . cheeky thoughts. He looks like he has something naughty on his mind. ::grins::

- O GOD JAMIE'S LITTLE FACE! ::cries:: He looks HEARTBROKEN. Totally shattered right then. ::hugs him gently::

- O my word . . . Two & Zoe look like they're in an awful lot of pain when they're in the machine - or spaceship, rather.

- TWO, DON'T EAT ALIEN PRIMORDIAL SOUPS! ::slaps::

- HA! Jamie's not going to be so easily beaten by some stupid machine! He's going in there & he's going to get Two & Zoe back!

- & Two's pockets have helped them out! Two's pockets FTW.

- WHOO, they're out! But . . . but Jamie doesn't know that! O, Jamie, PLEASE don't go in, please!

- YOU STUPID MACHINES, LET GO OF JAMIE! ::kicks at the Krotons:: & he's a PERSON, not an IT!

- . . . primitive? BITE ME. Jamie > the Krotons. & that's not just because I love him - it's a fact.

- Jamie, Jamie, FIGHT IT! You can do it! ::clings::

- Stop hurting him! ::hits the Krotons with a baseball bat::

- O, o, Jamie, OF COURSE they won't leave without you - they've only gone to conduct tests! Please, don't think Two would ever leave you behind! You know he wouldn't.

- O, side note: Jamie looks crazy pretty with his hair all ruffled up like that!

- FUCK YOU! JAMIE'S GOT MORE VALUE THAN YOU STUPID LITTLE TOY ROBOTS!

(& I heart his little pout when they say that he has no value. It's rather cute!)

- O, no value, huh? Look at how much information Jamie's pulling out of you silly bits of tin & crystal! You underestimate Jamie McCrimmon quite severely. ::glares::

- ::grins:: Jamie's got a gun now - or at least, a very fancy sort of weapon.

- O, TWO & ZOE, YOU DIDN'T LEAVE! ::collapses happily:: O, Jamie, you must see that!

- Random fashion note two: Zoe's got a cute little headband on! I love it!

- EEEK, THE FIRST 'MY GIDDY AUNT' TWO EVER SAID! ::SQUEES::

- HA! JAMIE'S GOT A GUN, BITCHES!

- & while he may not have killed a Kroton, he confused the one after Two & Zoe! No value, eh?

- O MY GIDDY AUNT! IT DESTROYED THE TARDIS?!

- O! O! The TARDIS - she's alright! ::hugs her::

- & Jamie's escaped! ::exhales slowly::

- TWO'S BEEN CAUGHT IN THE CAVE-IN! ::screams rather loudly::

- O, o, please be alright, Two, please . . . o, he's alright! ::claps:: But the place appears to still be caving in!

- (Zoe's mending a fellow's possibly fractured leg)

'Haven't you finished yet, Zoe?'

'No I haven't! Hey, can I borrow your braces?'

'No! Here, I'd much rather you used this.' (offers her his handkerchief)

LOLZ, I LOVELOVELOVE TWO'S REACTION TO ZOE'S REQUEST FOR HIS BRACES! He'd rather she didn't start undressing him right in front of people they hardly know yet - he'd rather she save it for the TARDIS! ::gigglesnorts::

- Hmm . . . a full-frontal view of a Kroton is rather funny. ::giggles:: They look best from the waist up, I thihnk.

- Ah, Jamie's proving he's just as fast on his feet as Two - he knows how to use the mica to open the door!

- Two, you did NOT just say Jamie's getting fat! ::pinches him::

- ::wibble:: Two holding onto Zoe after more dispersal . . . o. So sweet. ♥

- Mmm. Two can be a cocky bitch at times & I LOVE it. Oddly sexy on him!

- ::giggle:: I'm going to be a child & say oo, another shot of Zoe's lovely backside! & Two tapping it with his bottle! ::giggles::

- O, Jamie's ready to KILL someone now. But he's not leaving - he's loyal to his almost-little sister & most of all, to his Doctor. When it comes to them, he'll never run away & leave them behind. Ever.

- Ooo, Sneaky!Zoe. ::grins::

- OMG HOW CUTE ARE TWO & ZOE WHEN THEY'RE PLAYING FOR TIME, SERIOUSLY? ::giggles madly::

- Ugh . . . the Krotons are dissolving . . . as is their machine . . . it's like watching foam melt.

- I like Two's little 'I don't like goodbyes' moment. ♥

- ::waves goodbye to the TARDIS::

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I must say, that after such a high-octane serial like The Invasion, The Krotons was almost a holiday! This too was one of the first serials I watched when nentari gave them to me, as it came right after my second favourite serial of Two's era. & I do like it - it feels a bit more low-key & almost calmer than the last few serials I've recapped. So it is in a way like a holiday.

& Zoe's outfit is totally awesome in it! I'd love to wear that skirt! (but I'd have tights on, of course!)

Now we're coming to a serial that I acquired especially for the rewatch-athon back when I was setting it all up - & couldn't believe I'd found it when I did! I've had it for a while now & this is the first time I've seen it! So my recap may be rather scattered, since I'll have so much to take in & to see & enjoy for the first time, but I'll try & be coherent still. But nentari's told me many lovely things about this story, so I'm really looking forward to seeing it & recapping it! I apologise for my scatterbrained ramblings in advance, folks!

The Seeds of Death

- Random fashion note: I LOVE Miss Kelly's hair!

& her first name is Gia - what a pretty name!

- I might be a bit biased already, because I've heard really good things about Miss Kelly before, but I like her already! Far more than I liked Miss Garrett in The Ice Warriors, even before she proved to be a mindless twit. & she seems a lot warmer & friendlier than Miss Garrett did as well - which is a great plus, of course!

- O dear - trouble's already begun & the Doctor hasn't even arrived yet! ::worries::

- Uh-oh. I know that voice. Rather well, too.

- I love how this is being shot so far - you're not SEEING what everyone's looking at or talking to, but it still remains quite creepy, or at the very least, unsettling!

- O, we know that sound - hello Team TARDIS version 2.3! & HELLO JAMIE! ::waves::

- Stuck in space? Well, they're no webbing around, so it isn't the yeti back for revenge . . .

- A SPACE MUSEUM? OMFG AWESOME!

- Random fashion note two: Zoe's still in her great outfit from The Krotons!

- Random fashion note three: JAMIE'S SHIRT. IT . . . IT HAS LACES! ::FLAILS:: GUH. HE LOOKS MIGHTY FINE IN THAT SHIRT, SERIOUSLY.

- Okay, now we're seeing glimpses of the Ice Warriors now. Eeep.

- Random fashion note four: JAMIE'S GOT LACES ON HIS SLEEVES! ::squeaks:: & DAMN, it really . . . fits him, I must say. ::stares::

- Hee, Two geeking out over space rockets! So adorable!

- Now you have to keep in mind that I've never SEEN an Ice Warrior up close - those things are TERRIFYING indeed!

- O, Jamie & Zoe wanting to help is positively adorable. & Two being totally willing is even more wonderful. ::draws hearts::

- I kind of love Miss Kelly - she, unlike Miss Garrett, can think OUTSIDE her box! & it's leading to something quite useful, isn't it?

- The Ice Warriors are just hideous - like overgrown reptiles that learnt to walk like humans.

- O! Look at Two, Jamie & Zoe go! & please Miss Kelly - don't doubt Jamie's abilities. He's far more experienced than most people might think.

- & yes, I heart Miss Kelly. She's pretty awesome so far!

- Fashion note number five: Zoe appears to have changed her outfit between serials. WITH LACES ON!

- Zoe's certainly in her element here, I think! ::beams::

- I'd also like to note that there are some lovely optical effects during the preparation of the rocket for take-off. Visually, they're quite interesting!

- LOLZ JAMIE'S TOTALLY FLIPPING OUT. & HE WON'T EVEN ADMIT TO IT. ::giggles:: I.L.Y. Jamie. Your panic is so adorable.

- OMG THEIR FACES. ::giggles:: Jamie's looks to be a cross between 'I DON'T LIKE THIS GET ME OFF THIS THING' & 'I suddenly don't feel very well . . .' Aww, bb. ::pets::

- WHOA, ZOE'S TOTALLY AWESOME AT PILOTING A ROCKET. & Jamie was all hands & flaily adorable panic, awwww.

- OKAY, MISS KELLY IS FUCKING AWESOME, NOT DEBATABLE IN THE SLIGHTEST WAY. I LOVE HER.

- Also, in profile, is it just me or does Miss Kelly look a bit like Polly? I think she does a bit, but only in profile.

- Random fashion note number six: I LOVE Zoe's outfit! It's so pretty on her!

- Hmm. Apparently, Miss Kelly was the only one with brains in her work party - she's still alive!

- ::giggles:: Rather amusing landing, I must say.

- Random fashion note seven: Pat appears to be growing sideburns in this serial - rather wild ones, I think.

- Random fashion note eight: Jamie shows a nice amount of skin in-between his collar laces. Yum!

- 'Your leader will be angry if you kill me - I'm a genius!'

TWO JUST CHANNELLED RODNEY McKAY RIGHT THERE, PEOPLE. I LOVE IT.

- UNF, JAMIE, YOUR LACES. ::licks::

- HA! Miss Kelly escaped! KICKASS!

- . . . . I just got distracted by a fair bit of Patrick Troughton neck!porn. ::swoon:: I likey!

- I swear, I AM paying attention to the story - I LOVE it so far - but I keep getting distracted by all the skin Jamie's laces are flashing!

- However, in spite of that, I continue to adore Miss Kelly. SHE IS WIN.

- Jamie is definitely one of the few sorts that I can think of that would crawl through maintenance tunnels IN A KILT, bare knees & all. Having had to crawl through a tunnel or two myself in trousers, I've got to admire that about him. ::hugs Jamie::

- This serial's REALLY got some very tense spots in it - I can't even recap, I'm getting so tense!

- FOAM!! FOAM!SERIAL TIMES NOW!

- O no . . . one of the Ice Warriors made it down to Earth - & it's killing everyone in range already!

- ::panics:: O, Two . . . please, please be alright!

- Zoe's going to go through the tunnels! & Miss Kelly is backing her up on it! GO ZOE GO! ::waves pompoms::

- WHOA, THAT IS A LOT OF FOAM, MAN. FOAAAAAAAAAAMY!

- I love Zoe's level-headedness - she's keeping calm & trying to keep her guide calm as well. Good on you, miss Zoe!

- Zoe's photographic memory FTW!

- OMFG JAMIE'S EPIC FACES!! ::gigglesnorts:: EPIC AS ALL HELL & I LOVE EACH ONE.

- Zoe Heriot - intergalactic supergirl, at your service.

- I hadn't noted this before, but the opening titles for this serial are much different than the usual opening titles of a serial!

- SHIT! Two, you picked the WORST time to wake up!

- LET GO OF MY JAMIE YOU GIANT REPTILES!

O, yay, the heating kicked in! ::twirl:: & everyone's alright, more or less. ♥

- Random fashion note nine: JAMIE, I WANT TO UNDO YOUR LACES. ::licks::

- Random fashion note ten: I really do love Jamie's whole look in this serial - the top goes well with his kilt & it looks good from pretty much any angle you can see the whole thing. But I just keep getting distracted by his laced bits. ::laughs::

- Gia Kelly = made of awesome!

- From the side, Pat's sideburns are making him look like Victoria Waterfield's father. & I'm not sure if it's a good look or not just yet.

- O MY WORD, TWO'S GOING TO DROWN IN THAT FOAM!

- NOW HE'S COVERED IN IT! O, he'll die if he doesn't get inside!

- JESUS CHRIST ON A RITZ CRACKER, I HAVE NEVER SEEN SO MUCH FOAM IN A SINGLE SERIAL, EVER. OR POSSIBLY IN MY LIFE. O MY GOODNESS!

- O, Jamie, your bravery . . . o, it's lovely, but it makes me worry terribly for you! ::bites nails::

- ::dies:: JAMIE'S WIPING THE FOAM OFF OF TWO. HE IS WIPING THE FOAM OFF OF THE DOCTOR. HOW MUCH MORE DOMESTIC CAN YOU GET?

- ::giggles:: One Ice Warrior appears to have sparkly gems glued onto his helmet. It's totally ridiculous & I love it. SPARKLES!

(does this mean the Ice Warriors have their own commitment to sparkle motion?)

- I . . . I trust Two of course, but I'm worried for him - he let the Ice Warriors destroy his weapons, so easily without even trying to put up a fight!

- Jamie's beginning to display his absolute worry & concern for Two now. ::bites lip::

- & now he wants to T-Mat himself back to the moon to help Two?! Jamie, you're mad! In love, Brave, tough, but very mad!

- LOOKIT TWO BEING ALL BADASS & IN YOUR FACE WITH THE ICE WARRIORS! FUCK YEAH!

- JAMIE! You're possibly madder than your own Doctor & I ENVY you that. Very much envy you that. ♥♥

- & together, they beat the Ice Warriors! IN. THEIR. FACES.

- & aww, a bit of bickerbickerbicker in the end, just before they dematerialise. LOVE.

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Now THAT was an exciting serial, I must say! It was a six-parter & never once did it feel like it was dragging or getting repetitive or dull - lots of action & awesome & oooo, I just loved it! SO GOOD. & Gia Kelly is TOTALLY an unofficial girl of Who - she's another character that would have been absolutely splendid in the TARDIS, I think. Too bad she couldn't have at least SEEN it!

& OMG JAMIE. ::flails:: He was crazy brave & well - as wonderful as ever, pretty much! & he saved Two at the very end & helped him stop the Ice Warriors, all while wearing one fab outfit! & walking through foam. ::nods::

Since I'm so close to - well, certain things . . . watching just Two & Jamie working together like that . . . well, it felt very much like old times, in ways.

& now, our final serial for the week, which combines the old favourite mixup of listening to the audio of, then watching the serial of The Space Pirates.

The Space Pirates - audio & serial

- This is another Robert Holmes story & if I remember right, the serial portion of it is the earliest work of his on Doctor Who that I'd ever seen before.

- Hmm. Criminals prowling around in space attacking cargo ships . . . sounds a bit like a space Western to me! ::beams::

- 'Deep space sickness' . . . so there is such a form of space dementia, but it takes a more physical attack. Hmmm.

- O, hello Doctor & all! Though I don't think you've all picked the best section of the beacon to land in . . .

- Aww, ever the pragmatist, our Jamie. ::blows kiss::

- OI, WHAT'S WITH THE SHOOTING?! SHOOT TO KILL - HOW ABOUT ASKING A QUESTION, THEN GETTING ALL TRIGGER HAPPY, CHRIST!

- O, & while you're chasing innocent darlings about, your pirates are right on your beacon!

- O goodness! Now the ones chasing Two, Jamie & Zoe have been shot by the space pirates! Um . . . a good thing? Well, I mean, at least they can't come after Two & his friends now! But they don't know that & that fact still has them trapped!

- Uh-oh, I think I'm beginning to connect how the opening of the second serial happened now . . .

- The door's been welded shut? Then - then when the charges go off, the TARDIS is going to end up floating off before Two, Jamie & Zoe can get to it!

- Moving into the only surviving serial for the second story . . . the beacon's just separated & Two, Jamie & Zoe are flying around their bit of the beacon!

- However . . . we do get one of the best moments of collective unconsciousness to ever be seen in Two's era! Now that just looks quite inappropriate. ::gigglesnorts::

(random fashion note - I ALWAYS thought Zoe was in a dress in this serial. But after seeing all of episode two? THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL THAT SHE'S GOT A DRESS ON. HELL NO.)

- HAHA, SPACE MINER! ::laughs:: I don't know . . . it's just very funny to me! & it is another touch of space Western-ness. & he even sounds like someone in a Western!

- O, hello Two, you're waking up! & Jamie's the FIRST ONE he tries to wake up! AWW!

- . . . okay, Zoe's just being inappropriate here. ::sticks tongue out:: I'm looking at the three of them & I'm like, 'Damn. Good three-way, apparently!'

- Yes, Milo Clancy is very space Western-esque - I think he would have fit in well in an episode of Firefly.

- LOLZ, ZOE APPEARS TO BE GROPING TWO. & Jamie's got his hand on Two's thigh - I'm sorry, my mind is very wrong when I watch this serial. ::giggle::

- Random fashion note two: I adore Zoe's hot pants & jacket! & Pat's sideburns don't seem to be as wild as they were in The Seeds of Death, happily!

- MIND PROBE WHAT? NOOOO, NOT THE MIND PROBE!

- 'What's he up to now?'

'I don't know. Ask him'

'Oh, that's no good. He's got his 'mysterious' face on.'

- O, fucksocks. If they can't get back to the TARDIS, they'll just . . . suffocate from the lack of air in their little piece of the beacon.

Or will they freeze to death first?

'You're afraid we're going to run out of air. But we won't. We'll freeze to death first.'

- 'Oh, Doctor, could we have some more oxygen?'

::giggle::

- ::giggles again:: Two's got a screwdriver! But I don't know if it's sonic . . .

- LOLZ, THEY'RE SHARING SEXUAL AIR SUPPLY OXYGEN. Ordinarily, it would be the 'hitting of the space bong' moment, but um, things have changed now, you see.

- Zoe has DAMN good arms. Yes, this bears repeating.

- & now not only are they running out of air, but they're just floating much further out into space now!

- TWO'S HEAD IS IN JAMIE'S LAP RIGHT NOW. & they're all still sharing oxygen. & no, it will not stop being funny, especially now.

- JAMIE! ::SCREAMS:: HE'S BEEN SHOT!

- Moving back into audio for the third part, just after Milo Clancy just shot Jamie . . . ::growls::

- O, please, please, don't let Jamie be hurt!

. . . just stunned? O, o, please let it be so!

- Jamie! ::clings:: He's waking up now, thankfully!

- 'It's very rude to point, you know, especially with a gun.'

- 'Anything's possible in the TARDIS. Especially with him at the controls!'

O, Jamie. You are better, sweetheart!

- YAY, THEY'RE OUT! I don't know about Milo Clancy yet, but he saved their lives, at least.

- His ship, also, apparently seems to be called the Liz, or something that sounds like that! ::laughs::

- WOW. Milo Clancy's got quite the tricked-out sneaky weapons system! ::grins::

- Also, he's grasped the concept of Two & his companions travelling in space AND time very fast! Usually it takes people until the end of a serial to even believe such a thing!

- HEY! Don't you regulate miss Zoe Heriot to the kitchen, mister! She'd be able to rewire your ship AND blow up those military ships on your tail in under a minute! ::glares:: Make a pot of tea. HUMPH!

- ::squeezes Jamie's hand:: I know, love, I know. It's okay, you'll be fine. Deep breaths & concentrate on other things. ♥♥

- It's a little hard to reserve all my judgement on Milo until the end of the serial - with the exception of the above, I like him so far! But I know, first impressions can be deceiving & all.

- HAHA, ZOE'S MATHEMATICAL SKILLS WORKED OUT WHERE THE BITS OF THE BEACON ARE HEADED! ::tacklehugs her:: This girl is awesome. AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME.

- ::giggles:: Two sounds a touch of the flirt when congratulating miss Zoe on her work!

- O, I do hope Milo Clancy isn't one of the pirates - he was so kind & he saved their lives! ::chews lip worriedly::

- Earlier this week, nentari & I were talking & I mentioned that I'm more of a space Western kind of girl & she asked if I was just thinking of Firefly or this serial as well. I said I thought of both & Cowboy Bebop, & now, as I'm listening to it, I'd say that this serial definitely falls into the category of being a space Western.

- O no! They've been found! RUN, RUN!

- DISAPPEARING GROUND WTF?!

- O, well, they landed on a FLOOR at least, but it sounds like it was a painful landing!

- Jamie, please don't have hurt yourself when you landed!

- Two's awfully sure of himself about there being a second door in the prison cell. But he has a very logical point! There is another door there, he just needs to find it.

- Jamie, you've got to be a bit of an optimist! ::chides::

- & HE FOUND IT! ::high-fives::

- OMG. TUNING FORK. TUNING FORK?

- JAMIE! ::CLAPS HIS HANDS:: YOU OPENED THE DOOR! ::kisskiss::

- & Milo's come to find them! & well . . . he says he's not with the pirates . . . & he shot one! I . . . I believe in him; that he's doing good.

- Ooo, Jamie's packing heat! He seems to do that a lot, doesn't he? ::smiles::

- O! HE'S TAKING SHOTS AT THEM! Aim true, Jamie, aim true & straight!

Ah, I heart Jamie's total badassery. ♥♥♥♥

- . . . Madeline is in league with the pirates? Okay, yes, I wasn't fully sure on her, but I didn't exactly suspect her either!

- Zoe doesn't know how candles work? Zoe, I DID think you knew such things!

- WTF WHO PUT AN OLD MAN IN THE STUDY?!

- Despite being in league with pirates, Madeline seems to have retained her sense of morals & humanity, if not a stronger temperance of her greed.

- . . . the old man is Madeline's father? . . . what did she do to him? Maybe she hasn't retained her morals & her humanity as much as I thought she did.

- But nevertheless . . . Madeline wants to fight back. I feel rather confused about her now . . .

- Madeline didn't know her father was alive? O my goodness . . . o, poor Madeline.

- 'Jamie, sometimes I don't think you appreciate all I do for you.'

AWW. He does, Two, I promise!

- The Second Doctor, ladies & gentlemen - he can whip up a plan with just a bit of candle wax & a bag of marbles. ::beams::

- O NO. NO. Two, you have to be okay, you just HAVE to be!

- JAMIE! ::swoons:: You never run out of bravery, do you?

- Madeline just narrowly managed to pwn space pirates. Not bad!

- FTW! Space pirates have been blown up!

- O, goodness, the TARDIS! I'd forgot all about it myself!

- But Milo'll help them get it back - & it'll be fab. ::smiles::

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The first time I watched the only surviving serial of this, I felt that it dragged, considerably. & I'd read before that it wasn't one of the most highly regarded serials of Two's era, despite it being his next to last one. But this time, I wanted to keep an open mind about this & since I did, I found that I enjoyed this story much more than I'd expected! I suppose it was once I connected all the pieces that I could fully enjoy it. My only whine is that I felt that the end serial did drag a bit, to the point where I was losing a bit of interest. But I admit, I was doing something else at the time & so I wasn't really as focused as I should have been, perhaps. But there were bits of it that I liked. I just felt like it was running over-long for me.

& the ending . . . the ending was good. It ended with laughter, & Jamie's sweet witticisms. Which makes what's to come even more saddening. But it was good that this ended well - if it had ended sadly, it would have been worse in the end. So while this ending, as nice as it was, was bittersweet for me, I don't think I'd like to have it any other way.

& that was the last three major serials of this part of the great & mighty Troughton rewatch-athon! I'll be back next week with The War Games.

Wish me luck?

Previous recaps
The Dalek Invasion of Earth
The Time Meddler
The War Machines
The Smugglers
The Tenth Planet
The Power of the Daleks
The Highlanders
The Underwater Menace
The Moonbase
The Macra Terror
The Faceless Ones
The Evil of the Daleks
The Evil of the Daleks - audio version
The Tomb of the Cybermen
The Great Space Elevator (Victoria's Companion Chronicle)
The Abominable Snowmen - audio & serial
The Ice Warriors - audio
The Enemy of the World - audio & serial
The Web of Fear - audio & serial
Fury From the Deep - audio
The Wheel in Space - audio & serial
Fear of the Daleks (Zoe's Companion Chronicle)
The Dominators
The Mind Robber
The Invasion

Comments

[hoshinekoyasha.livejournal.com]

Good luck!!

[riverdresses.livejournal.com]

Thankyou! I'll need it for this serial. ::is nervous::

[nentari.livejournal.com]

Man, EVERY TIME they mention the Krotons, I'm going to think of Kroton the Cyberman. Who is WAY more awesome than these Krotons, but that's for another time.
An understandable confusion. Damn the writers for recycling names!

& HE WINS! ::tackleglomps Jamie:: He won & the other fellow didn't last five minutes! IN YOUR FACES!
And the other guy was armed, which adds some more extra pwnage points!

Random fashion note two: Does anyone have an idea of what material Zoe's jacket & skirt are made out of? I'd say maybe something in PVC, but it doesn't look quite as shiny as PVC does. Maybe a leather of some sort?
That's the outfit that's said to be made of paper and which kept tearing off at the most unpleasant moments.

O yes, Doctor. Leave the perfect little brainchild in a room full of computers & knowledge. ::looks a bit sad::
Yes, it's like leaving a little kid alone in a sweetshop. *shakes head* Things would have been much better if he had left Zoe tending to Vana and taken Jamie with him.

Zoe's face is kind of creeping me out - she looks like someone drugged her.
Considering what they say afterwards about how the Krotons let them know if they're pleased, I have the feeling she was kind of being drugged.

Due to a vid I quite adore, I can NEVER, EVER look at his face at that moment without thinking rather . . . cheeky thoughts.
*grins* I have the feeling I know just what vid you're talking about... ;D

TWO, DON'T EAT ALIEN PRIMORDIAL SOUPS! ::slaps::
Okay, that comment of yours should be iconized. :P

O, o, Jamie, OF COURSE they won't leave without you - they've only gone to conduct tests! Please, don't think Two would ever leave you behind! You know he wouldn't.
That moment right there breaks my heart. :(

LOLZ, I LOVELOVELOVE TWO'S REACTION TO ZOE'S REQUEST FOR HIS BRACES!
Yes, he's just so indignant about it! NOT MAH BRACES, BITCH! *loves*

Random fashion note: I LOVE Miss Kelly's hair!
In the comments they state that that's Louise Pajo's real hair, which made me squee with surprise - having known her for years from an Australian drama set in the 1920s, I'm used to seeing her with a bob.

I love how this is being shot so far - you're not SEEING what everyone's looking at or talking to, but it still remains quite creepy, or at the very least, unsettling!
Yes, I think it was a great call shooting those scenes from the point of view of the yet-to-be-revealed monster. It gives a bit more tension and athmosphere to it all.

Random fashion note three: JAMIE'S SHIRT. IT . . . IT HAS LACES! ::FLAILS:: GUH. HE LOOKS MIGHTY FINE IN THAT SHIRT, SERIOUSLY.
And Frazer says he still owns that shirt and it still fits, which I wouldn't mind seeing.

Random fashion note four: JAMIE'S GOT LACES ON HIS SLEEVES! ::squeaks:: & DAMN, it really . . . fits him, I must say. ::stares::
I told you - those sleeves are my favourite part of the whole shirt, and I love looking at those laces. *dreamy smile*

Fashion note number five: Zoe appears to have changed her outfit between serials. WITH LACES ON!
Yes, that's the yellow leather outfit Wendy says was her favourite of all of Zoe's clothes - and the one she took home with her after it was over. Curiously, the same thing seems to be said about Frazer and the shirt, as proven above, which shows our kids have some good taste when it comes to laces.

[riverdresses.livejournal.com]

An understandable confusion. Damn the writers for recycling names!

YES! & KROTON'S FAR MORE AWESOME THAN THE KROTONS, Y/N?

And the other guy was armed, which adds some more extra pwnage points!

& he never once acted cocky or macho about it! He was just like, 'Bring it on then.' GOLD STARS FOR JAMIE.

That's the outfit that's said to be made of paper and which kept tearing off at the most unpleasant moments.

NO. I thought that was her dress in The Dominators! This one looked great! But it did vaguely make me think of rubbish bags designed into an outfit. But she looked GREAT in it! (though if it was made of paper . . . maybe that explains Padders & her reaction at the end of The Invasion commentary. :P)

Yes, it's like leaving a little kid alone in a sweetshop. *shakes head* Things would have been much better if he had left Zoe tending to Vana and taken Jamie with him.

INDEED. At least Jamie wouldn't have wandered off & found himself in so much trouble! & that too, could have been interesting to see - Jamie in the hall of learning, not Zoe.

Considering what they say afterwards about how the Krotons let them know if they're pleased, I have the feeling she was kind of being drugged.

Actually, if you think about the nature of how the tests are administrated, that would make a lot of sense. I would think they'd do it by way of chemicals, or subliminal messages at the end of the tests. Which, as a side note, is very much like River in Serenity - when she saw a certain television advert which contained specially coded subliminal messages for her, her own training kicked in.

*grins* I have the feeling I know just what vid you're talking about... ;D


& you'd be absolutely right! ::eyes twinkle:: He DOES look rather . . . naughty at that moment. :P

Okay, that comment of yours should be iconized. :P

::giggleblush:: WELL IT'S TRUE! HE WOULD HAVE SAID THAT TO JAMIE. :P

That moment right there breaks my heart. :(

Mine too, from the very first time I saw it. The poor darling - Two would never abandon him like that!

Yes, he's just so indignant about it! NOT MAH BRACES, BITCH! *loves*

ONE OF MY FAVOURITE MOMENTS OF THE WHOLE STORY. :D O, Two, you're so cute when you're bothered!

In the comments they state that that's Louise Pajo's real hair, which made me squee with surprise - having known her for years from an Australian drama set in the 1920s, I'm used to seeing her with a bob.

She's got fab hair then! I'd LOVE to find a hair accessory like the one she wore - it looked great.

Yes, I think it was a great call shooting those scenes from the point of view of the yet-to-be-revealed monster. It gives a bit more tension and athmosphere to it all.

Yes indeed! Especially if you're JUST seeing it without any knowledge of the Ice Warriors beforehand. Spoooky!

And Frazer says he still owns that shirt and it still fits, which I wouldn't mind seeing.

O my! ::glee:: I'd not mind seeing that either! :D

I told you - those sleeves are my favourite part of the whole shirt, and I love looking at those laces. *dreamy smile*

They were rather hypnotising to watch, I have to say. All that swaying & flopping & moving . . .

Yes, that's the yellow leather outfit Wendy says was her favourite of all of Zoe's clothes - and the one she took home with her after it was over. Curiously, the same thing seems to be said about Frazer and the shirt, as proven above, which shows our kids have some good taste when it comes to laces.

It was a very nice outfit & she did look lovely in it. ::nods:: & once again, I agree completely! :D

[nentari.livejournal.com]

YES! & KROTON'S FAR MORE AWESOME THAN THE KROTONS, Y/N?
DEFINITELY Y!

NO. I thought that was her dress in The Dominators!
No, that one was made of curtains. This is the paper one. I'm now rewatching The Seeds of Death with the audio commentaries on, and Wendy says it's PVC paper, and the skirt was always tearing up.

Speaking of the audio commentaries for that serial, two notes:
a) The first time you listen to it, it's advisable that you set the commentary subtitles. I don't know if it happens in the US version, but in the British edition Frazer and Terrance Dicks crack jokes at certain points that use some rather steamy language, and those lines were censored so that you end up hearing a weird silence instead; however, the subtitles have what they did say.
b) At some point, Terrance pokes fun of Frazer describing a scene he witnessed in an American con where this serial was shown, in which Frazer was watching it with a beer in his hand and a gaggle of adoring fangirls all around him. Frazer was relishing at all the attention, pointing at the screen and going "Now watch this bit. I'm awesome in this bit! *pauses* See? And I'm EVEN BETTER in the next bit!"

Actually, if you think about the nature of how the tests are administrated, that would make a lot of sense. I would think they'd do it by way of chemicals, or subliminal messages at the end of the tests.
Yes, that would make sense.

Mine too, from the very first time I saw it. The poor darling - Two would never abandon him like that!
Yes. *pets* I know he's aware of it, deep inside, but at that moment it's impossible to make sure, no matter how strong his faith on the Doctor.

Yes indeed! Especially if you're JUST seeing it without any knowledge of the Ice Warriors beforehand. Spoooky!
As far as I know, the special effects used to show the way an Ice Warrior kills are different from those in their previous serial, which I think would add to the viewers not being sure of what the menace was.

They were rather hypnotising to watch, I have to say. All that swaying & flopping & moving . . .
Frazer acts with his hands a lot, and with this shirt such a thing is a joy to behold. :D

[riverdresses.livejournal.com]

DEFINITELY Y!

FTW! ::hugs Kroton:: I want an excuse to use his tag more often!

No, that one was made of curtains. This is the paper one. I'm now rewatching The Seeds of Death with the audio commentaries on, and Wendy says it's PVC paper, and the skirt was always tearing up.

Hmm, I've never heard of something like PVC paper, so I was half-right when I said it was PVC. :P But I didn't note a tear anywhere - just her looking all fab in it! :D
& thankyou for the notes on the commentaries! I'll pop the subtitles on when I listen to it. :D

At some point, Terrance pokes fun of Frazer describing a scene he witnessed in an American con where this serial was shown, in which Frazer was watching it with a beer in his hand and a gaggle of adoring fangirls all around him. Frazer was relishing at all the attention, pointing at the screen and going "Now watch this bit. I'm awesome in this bit! *pauses* See? And I'm EVEN BETTER in the next bit!"

OMG. ::giggles madly:: SO. CUTE!

Yes, that would make sense.

One idea is that those headsets would interfere with the dopamine receptors in the brain, pumping them into overdrive, which, actually COULD be used in conjunction with subliminal messaging after the test. (that is, if I remember my chemistry of the brain right in regards to the dopamine.)

Yes. *pets* I know he's aware of it, deep inside, but at that moment it's impossible to make sure, no matter how strong his faith on the Doctor.

Exactly. He was so panicked & so much was happening around him . . . I don't blame him for assuming the worst just then. But nevertheless, I wanted to cuddle him & reassure him that he'd never be left behind, EVER.

As far as I know, the special effects used to show the way an Ice Warrior kills are different from those in their previous serial, which I think would add to the viewers not being sure of what the menace was.

O! Not having SEEN their first serial, I wouldn't know, but that's DEFINITELY another layer of AWESOME for this serial.

Frazer acts with his hands a lot, and with this shirt such a thing is a joy to behold. :D

YES TIMES A THOUSAND.

[nentari.livejournal.com]

I want an excuse to use his tag more often!
Any excuse for that is a good excuse.

Hmm, I've never heard of something like PVC paper, so I was half-right when I said it was PVC. :P
I hadn't either, but you know what they say - you live and learn. :D

OMG. ::giggles madly:: SO. CUTE!
And so very Frazer, wouldn't you agree? :P

One idea is that those headsets would interfere with the dopamine receptors in the brain, pumping them into overdrive, which, actually COULD be used in conjunction with subliminal messaging after the test. (that is, if I remember my chemistry of the brain right in regards to the dopamine.)
You are teh smarts. :D

Exactly. He was so panicked & so much was happening around him . . . I don't blame him for assuming the worst just then.
Absolutely. With everything just whirlpooling around you, it's logical to expect even worst things to happen.

O! Not having SEEN their first serial, I wouldn't know, but that's DEFINITELY another layer of AWESOME for this serial.
I haven't seen it either (I need to download the surviving episodes off that YouTube-like site STAT), so all I have from this issue is from hearsay - but from my recollection of hearing the audios I think their attacks had a different sound to it, anyway.

[nentari.livejournal.com]

Broken comment!

WHOA, ZOE'S TOTALLY AWESOME AT PILOTING A ROCKET.
Well, she has to have some experience at rocket-travel. How else would she had arrived to the Wheel?

Also, in profile, is it just me or does Miss Kelly look a bit like Polly? I think she does a bit, but only in profile.
I think the ponytail might have something to do with it. It's meant to be futuristic, but it gives a mod touch to Miss Kelly's looks.

I swear, I AM paying attention to the story - I LOVE it so far - but I keep getting distracted by all the skin Jamie's laces are flashing!
I don't think anyone could blame you for that.

OMFG JAMIE'S EPIC FACES!! ::gigglesnorts:: EPIC AS ALL HELL & I LOVE EACH ONE.
Jamie's epic faces of epicness = epic love.

::dies:: JAMIE'S WIPING THE FOAM OFF OF TWO. HE IS WIPING THE FOAM OFF OF THE DOCTOR. HOW MUCH MORE DOMESTIC CAN YOU GET?
*dies laughing*

::giggles:: One Ice Warrior appears to have sparkly gems glued onto his helmet. It's totally ridiculous & I love it. SPARKLES!
Well, that one and Slaar (the leader of the group that took over the moonbase) are Ice Lords - they're smaller, leaner, and they boss over the more turtle-like Ice Warriors. And while Slaar's skin seems to have pebbles, the Grand Marshall has sparkles on his skin and helmet, apparently to signify that he's his superior. I guess this means Ice Lords are Twilight fans. :P

You didn't say anything about Fewsham, and I would have loved to know your opinion about him. I think he was a rather tragic character who, although a coward, managed to gain enough courage to help reveal the Ice Warriors' plans at the expense of his own life. It was an interesting plotline, and very well played by the actor cast in the role.
(And also, you didn't mention the fact that the first thing Two says when he's waking up after being s>on holiday unconscious for over an episode is "Victoria..." That was an ad-lib by Pat, if I remember correctly.)

[riverdresses.livejournal.com]

Well, she has to have some experience at rocket-travel. How else would she had arrived to the Wheel?

. . . ::looks like a silly kid:: I would have assumed they put her on a rocket when they decided she should go up to the Wheel? Um . . .

I think the ponytail might have something to do with it. It's meant to be futuristic, but it gives a mod touch to Miss Kelly's looks.

Yes, I think that might be it - I did love her ponytail though! :D

I don't think anyone could blame you for that.

I can't even THINK of a time before this, or pre-The Five Doctors where he showed so much skin. It was very lovely. :D :D

Jamie's epic faces of epicness = epic love.

::claps hands happily:: YES!

*dies laughing*

THE MOST DOMESTIC THING I'VE EVER SEEN, I SWEAR. :P

Well, that one and Slaar (the leader of the group that took over the moonbase) are Ice Lords - they're smaller, leaner, and they boss over the more turtle-like Ice Warriors. And while Slaar's skin seems to have pebbles, the Grand Marshall has sparkles on his skin and helmet, apparently to signify that he's his superior. I guess this means Ice Lords are Twilight fans. :P

::giggles:: THE SPARKLES, I TELL YOU. IT WAS TOO MUCH. XD THE ICE LORDS LIKE TO DAZZLE. :P

You didn't say anything about Fewsham, and I would have loved to know your opinion about him. I think he was a rather tragic character who, although a coward, managed to gain enough courage to help reveal the Ice Warriors' plans at the expense of his own life. It was an interesting plotline, and very well played by the actor cast in the role.

O! I can't BELIEVE I forgot to mention him! I'm sorry, I had so much to get down & I was working so fast . . . anyway, initially, I disliked him, as I don't like cowardly sorts too much - they can get everyone else killed sometimes - but I genuinely came to like him & admire his actions before his death - they were surprisingly noble & very unexpected, which I definitely liked.

(And also, you didn't mention the fact that the first thing Two says when he's waking up after being s>on holiday unconscious for over an episode is "Victoria..." That was an ad-lib by Pat, if I remember correctly.)

::HEADDESKS LIKE A BITCH:: OKAY, OKAY. This is one instance where I will admit that my fangirling of Pat COMPLETELY distracted me from what I was supposed to be paying attention to! I ADMIT IT & I'M SORRY. ::blushes::
& um . . . I totally didn't hear him say that either. Double fail on my part! :O

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. . . ::looks like a silly kid:: I would have assumed they put her on a rocket when they decided she should go up to the Wheel? Um . . .
Well, it's clear they still used rockets in her days, so she's familiar with the concept, even if she didn't know how to operate them until Eldred taught her.

I can't even THINK of a time before this, or pre-The Five Doctors where he showed so much skin.
Any excuse to post this pic is a good excuse :P


::giggles:: THE SPARKLES, I TELL YOU. IT WAS TOO MUCH. XD THE ICE LORDS LIKE TO DAZZLE. :P
The more dazzling you are, the bigger you are in the Ice Lord hierarchy. It's all so very fashionable, dahling. :P

anyway, initially, I disliked him, as I don't like cowardly sorts too much - they can get everyone else killed sometimes - but I genuinely came to like him & admire his actions before his death - they were surprisingly noble & very unexpected, which I definitely liked.
And besides, he shows the reaction any ordinary human would have. I see him more like he's showing a human attitude than real cowardice, and you can see how it just tears him inside. When he finally decides to stay behind and help reveal the Ice Warriors' plans is when it all burst and he couldn't take it any longer, to the expense of his own life.

& um . . . I totally didn't hear him say that either. Double fail on my part! :O
Well, he is mubling rather incoherently at that point - but if you listen to it very carefully, you'll see that when he wakes up he goes "Uhh... Victoria... Jamie..."

[riverdresses.livejournal.com]

Well, it's clear they still used rockets in her days, so she's familiar with the concept, even if she didn't know how to operate them until Eldred taught her.

O, yes, I remembered that from her first serial, but I didn't think she would have flown one herself. But I suppose it would have been part of her studies in some way.

Any excuse to post this pic is a good excuse :P

. . .

::brain melts out of ears::

RIGHT-CLICK, SAVE, THANKYOUVERYMUCH.

The more dazzling you are, the bigger you are in the Ice Lord hierarchy. It's all so very fashionable, dahling. :P

. . . THEN EDWARD CULLEN IS AN ICE WARRIOR IN HUMAN CLOTHING. HE'S AN 'ADVANCED' ICE WARRIOR. Clearly, they eventually created a way of making themselves look human in the loooong-off future & that's why we have SPARKLY VAMPIRES. :P

And besides, he shows the reaction any ordinary human would have. I see him more like he's showing a human attitude than real cowardice, and you can see how it just tears him inside. When he finally decides to stay behind and help reveal the Ice Warriors' plans is when it all burst and he couldn't take it any longer, to the expense of his own life.

Actually, I could agree with this - he DID feel like a very human character, as did his actions, particularly at the end, I think.

Well, he is mubling rather incoherently at that point - but if you listen to it very carefully, you'll see that when he wakes up he goes "Uhh... Victoria... Jamie..."

Oooo! I'll have to listen closer next time then! :D

[nentari.livejournal.com]

O, yes, I remembered that from her first serial, but I didn't think she would have flown one herself. But I suppose it would have been part of her studies in some way.
With that massive brain of hers and the thorough education she's received, everything is possible.

::brain melts out of ears::
Oh dear. I'm sorry.

Clearly, they eventually created a way of making themselves look human in the loooong-off future & that's why we have SPARKLY VAMPIRES. :P
I really like your theory. :P

Actually, I could agree with this - he DID feel like a very human character, as did his actions, particularly at the end, I think.
It also helps that the actor playing him did just a good job - under less capable hands, he would have become unlikeable and undeserving of our sympathy. Terry Scully, however, was able to make the viewers suffer along with Fewsham and feel sorry for him even when he was showing what looked like abject cowardice.

Oooo! I'll have to listen closer next time then! :D
If I'm not mistaken (I need to watch it with the production notes again) Pat was the one who insisted for the Doctor to say "Victoria" instead of "Zoe" to add some continuity.

[nentari.livejournal.com]

And another broken comment!

The door's been welded shut? Then - then when the charges go off, the TARDIS is going to end up floating off before Two, Jamie & Zoe can get to it!
Yes, that's the big problem - they're marooned and with absolutely no means of escape.

random fashion note - I ALWAYS thought Zoe was in a dress in this serial. But after seeing all of episode two? THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL THAT SHE'S GOT A DRESS ON. HELL NO.
Nope, definitely not a dress. Those are her EPIC HOTPANTS OF EPICNESS, right there, which are displayed in quite a lovely manner in the audio's cover art.

O, hello Two, you're waking up! & Jamie's the FIRST ONE he tries to wake up! AWW!
I KNOW! I mean, Zoe is sandwiched between the two of them - you'd expect him to reach her first, and only then move on to Jamie.

& Pat's sideburns don't seem to be as wild as they were in The Seeds of Death, happily!
I quite liked the sideburns, actually, though I cannot explain why. Jamie's sideburns, on the other hand, seem to be suffering from the wildness factor in this one. They emmigrated when they snogged, perhaps? *shrugs*

MIND PROBE WHAT? NOOOO, NOT THE MIND PROBE!
Heh. I had the exact same thought! (And look, this is a Terrance Dicks story - he sure loves his mind probes. :P)

I said I thought of both & Cowboy Bebop, & now, as I'm listening to it, I'd say that this serial definitely falls into the category of being a space Western.
See? I was right. :D

OMG. TUNING FORK. TUNING FORK?
TUNING FORK!!!!!!!! *loves* yes, I have a tuning fork fetish. I need to have a reason for Fourteen to have one, and to let Jamie see her holding it. It will be EPIC. :P

Zoe doesn't know how candles work? Zoe, I DID think you knew such things!
She knew about them in The Mind Robber. This is a point people usually point out when it comes to continuity problems, and in DWM's review of The Mind Robber it was used to support a theory part of fandom have that that story was just a dream Two had.

Wish me luck?
Good luck, dear. I adore The War Games and am always open for an excuse to rewatch it, but I know how painful episode 10 is, especially the first time you watch it. *snuggles* Just try to keep a positive perspective - either Season 6B of the Fourteenverse happened afterwards.

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Yes, that's the big problem - they're marooned and with absolutely no means of escape.

& I have to say, that aspect all on its own was a pretty claustrophobic one - especially when they started running out of air. That is something that is just guaranteed to freak me out in anything.

Nope, definitely not a dress. Those are her EPIC HOTPANTS OF EPICNESS, right there, which are displayed in quite a lovely manner in the audio's cover art.

I WOULD TOTALLY WEAR THOSE. THEY WERE EPIC & VERY AWESOME! :D

I KNOW! I mean, Zoe is sandwiched between the two of them - you'd expect him to reach her first, and only then move on to Jamie.

MORE PROOF OF THE EPIC LOVE THAT IS & ALWAYS SHALL BE TWO/JAMIE. :D

I quite liked the sideburns, actually, though I cannot explain why. Jamie's sideburns, on the other hand, seem to be suffering from the wildness factor in this one. They emmigrated when they snogged, perhaps? *shrugs*

::giggles:: Well, Pat's were sort of nice, I have to admit, but I was rather glad that they weren't as wild this time! :P

Heh. I had the exact same thought! (And look, this is a Terrance Dicks story - he sure loves his mind probes. :P)

NOOO, NOT THE MIND PROBE! ::falls over dead:: (he certainly DOES! I wonder why . . . :P)

See? I was right. :D

Very right! As always. ::snugglies::

She knew about them in The Mind Robber. This is a point people usually point out when it comes to continuity problems, and in DWM's review of The Mind Robber it was used to support a theory part of fandom have that that story was just a dream Two had.

I definitely remember her knowing them in that serial, which was why I was all HOW CAN YOU NOT KNOW WHAT CANDLES ARE YOU ALREADY DO, but I've never heard of The Mind Robber just being a dream Two had - Jamie, I could see, but not so much Two. I'm sticking with continuity problems, I suppose.

Good luck, dear. I adore The War Games and am always open for an excuse to rewatch it, but I know how painful episode 10 is, especially the first time you watch it. *snuggles* Just try to keep a positive perspective - either Season 6B of the Fourteenverse happened afterwards.

::clings:: I AM looking forward to the main story, but I . . . I don't want to see the ending. Even knowing what I know about it is still heartbreaking. It'll be like Doomsday & Journey's End all over again. & I never watch those ones. ;__;

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& I have to say, that aspect all on its own was a pretty claustrophobic one - especially when they started running out of air. That is something that is just guaranteed to freak me out in anything.
And the problem on such a situation is that, if you freak out, you spend even more oxigen.

MORE PROOF OF THE EPIC LOVE THAT IS & ALWAYS SHALL BE TWO/JAMIE. :D
Sadly, it's also proof that poor Zoe is sidelined...

NOOO, NOT THE MIND PROBE! ::falls over dead:: (he certainly DOES! I wonder why . . . :P)
*headdesk* Gah, silly me - this one was a Robert Holmes story. Terrance was involved with the previous serial, in order to help fix the mess of the continuing drama of Frazer's agent forcing him to leave, which was forcing the original writer for Seeds of Death to rewrite parts of his script to insert/remove Jamie from it.
However, Terrance must have made some sort of contribution to The Space Pirates - it has a mind probe, after all!

I've never heard of The Mind Robber just being a dream Two had - Jamie, I could see, but not so much Two.
The people from the Doctor Who magazine seem to have been very fond of this theory. They suggest that the Doctor fell asleep something during episode 1, and that he woke up at the very beginning of The Invasion when Jamie and Zoe comment that they're back to their own reality. I don't buy it, though.

::clings:: I AM looking forward to the main story, but I . . . I don't want to see the ending. Even knowing what I know about it is still heartbreaking. It'll be like Doomsday & Journey's End all over again. & I never watch those ones. ;__;
Yeah. :( I must be a masochist, though, because I'm always rewatching it - and I have the feeling I might watch it twice this week, once in the normal version, and later on with the commentaries. I really enjoy having my heart broken over and over again.

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And the problem on such a situation is that, if you freak out, you spend even more oxigen.

YES. D:

Sadly, it's also proof that poor Zoe is sidelined...

Yes, alas . . . ::sighs sadly:: But that's why we have Two/Zoe & occasionally, Two/Jamie/Zoe! :P

However, Terrance must have made some sort of contribution to The Space Pirates - it has a mind probe, after all!

Mind probes seem to be his trademark. :P & I THINK at this time, he might have been script editor, but I'm not totally sure of that, so, um, yes.

The people from the Doctor Who magazine seem to have been very fond of this theory. They suggest that the Doctor fell asleep something during episode 1, and that he woke up at the very beginning of The Invasion when Jamie and Zoe comment that they're back to their own reality. I don't buy it, though.

Neither do I! WHEN would he have had time to fall asleep in the first episode? Now if the theory was that it was a cracked-out dream of JAMIE's, then I could MAYBE see that. But really, that theory makes no sense if you WATCH the serial!

Yeah. :( I must be a masochist, though, because I'm always rewatching it - and I have the feeling I might watch it twice this week, once in the normal version, and later on with the commentaries. I really enjoy having my heart broken over and over again.

Well, as you (& even I!) have said, the main story is good, & bonus!David Troughton of course . . . but the final episode . . . I don't want to see it. :(

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But that's why we have Two/Zoe & occasionally, Two/Jamie/Zoe! :P
Or we can have some Zoe/Isobel instead. Or maybe Zoe/Miss Kelly or Zoe/Cully?

& I THINK at this time, he might have been script editor, but I'm not totally sure of that, so, um, yes.
Terrance wasn't the script editor for The Space Pirates, though he was for the serials before and after that one.
The role of producer and script editor were a very shaky business during season 6. A perusal through the Television Companion shows me that Peter Bryant was the producer up to the end of The Space Pirates, but that Derrick Sherwin had to take over in The War Games and Speahead from Space because Bryant had fallen ill (which explains why Derrick was doing the commentaries for The War Games in the role of producer when I only knew him as script editor); as for the listing of script editors for this season, the Television Companion notes it as follows: "Derrick Sherwin until The Mind Robber Episode 5. Terrance Dicks from The Invasion Episode One until The Seeds of Death Episode Six. Derrick Sherwin on The Space Pirates. Terrance Dicks on The War Games." After Derrick passed the producing reins in Spearhead from Space, five years of stability followed, since throughout all of Jon Pertwee's era we had Barry Letts as producer and Terrance as script editor.

Neither do I! WHEN would he have had time to fall asleep in the first episode?
Apparently when the creepy humming sunk in right before the ship exploded. According to the followers of this theory, the gang fell unconscious while trying to escape from the white void, and they recovered their senses at the beginning of The Invasion after a successful escape - and everything that happened in between was a dream. Clutching at strawns, people - unless they want us to believe Bobby Ewing was aboard the TARDIS taking a shower when all of this happened. :P

Well, as you (& even I!) have said, the main story is good, & bonus!David Troughton of course . . . but the final episode . . . I don't want to see it. :(
But I love the last episode as much as the others! I must be mad...

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O my giddy aunt, you certainly do! Two is absolute love, & JAMIE! He is completely epic in his own right. I loves him. :D

There were rumors of bringing the Ice Warriors back eventually for the new Who, I wonder if it's true.

OMG. That would be interesting to see, I think - for Eleven's series, I would assume? Hmm. THIS, I sort of hope is true. :D

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I thought Seeds of Death dragged a bit more than you did, but it’s lots of fun nonetheless. Two’s genius line is SO adorable, as are Jamie’s epic faces, and him wiping foam off Two, and him charging across the room to save Two, and the final bit of bickering…

Miss Kelly is indeed win! I’ve had the urge to ship her with Zoe... So much future female awesome in one serial, unf.

On the commentary, Wendy says she was going to keep her outfit, but it got ruined when she came in contact with some wet paint during filming :/

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From what I could gather, even though the outfit was ruined by the pain Wendy did indeed keep it - and there's some photo evidence of her wearing it on public events afterwards, so I'm guessing the damage wasn't too serious.

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From what I could gather, even though the outfit was ruined by the pain Wendy did indeed keep it - and there's some photo evidence of her wearing it on public events afterwards, so I'm guessing the damage wasn't too serious.

She did? O, lovely - that & her leather one looked GREAT on her. :D I'd still wear her black outfit, even if it WAS paper.

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She definitely did - I've shown you the pic of her wearing it later on, remember? It had Frazer inna suit, if that helps refresh your memory. :P

Here's another photo from that same public event, with Padders signing autographs:

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She definitely did - I've shown you the pic of her wearing it later on, remember? It had Frazer inna suit, if that helps refresh your memory. :P

O, YES. That one! Ahem. I might add that to my picspam as well - I just wish I had more snaps of Anneke & Debbie at events.

& OMG, WHAT AN ADORABLE SNAP! Wendy looks like such a sweet little angel in it - & she still looks lovely in that outfit! :D

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Two’s genius line is SO adorable, as are Jamie’s epic faces, and him wiping foam off Two, and him charging across the room to save Two, and the final bit of bickering…

ALL OF THIS, RIGHT HERE. ::claps hands:: Also, so many lovely Two/Jamie moments were in this serial! Made me a happy bunny, especially Jamie racing across the room to save Two with NO regard for his own well-being. I♥Jamie.

& I'd TOTALLY ship Miss Kelly with Zoe! THEY KICKED ASS TOGETHER! & had some SERIOUSLY fab femmeslashy chemistry together. :D WHERE'S THE FIC?

On the commentary, Wendy says she was going to keep her outfit, but it got ruined when she came in contact with some wet paint during filming :/ Aww, it did? That's sad - she looked HOT in that outfit!